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Post by glennh2 on Oct 14, 2010 20:13:40 GMT 1
The Yellow Line is made complicated by the inclusion of service 546 which previously was a stand-alone service
Its inclusion maintains three buses an hour to Siddal but means Norton Tower north of Court Lane is reduced to 2
As a contrast there are now 2 buses an hour on Centrebus 832 which means upper Skircoat and Washer Lane have a bus roughly every 30 minutes for the first time in years!
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Post by the110 on Oct 14, 2010 20:42:50 GMT 1
Why not just leave stuff as it is? ... god first can be a right pain in the @%£! sometimes! I do wonder how many more passengers will convert over to arriva! While it is bad for tinshill and maybe ireland wood/queenswood drive, it's quite good. First bus becoming 20 minutes into garforth. Lets wait for arriva's response! hehe Arriva is now cheaper and more frequent.
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Post by Matty on Oct 14, 2010 21:52:55 GMT 1
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Post by 77syk7 on Oct 15, 2010 9:37:42 GMT 1
I'm not pleased that the last 503 service from Halifax to Huddersfield is withdrawn except on Saturdays. This means the last bus fron Halifax to Elland will be the 2245 537 bus - surely they should have retained the last trip every day of the week. I understand that it is Halifax depot which runs these days - so why on earth don't they transfer it to Huddersfield depot. Another idea would be for Centrebus to register a late trip from Halifax back to Elland before going back to the depot?
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Post by northerner on Oct 15, 2010 18:58:38 GMT 1
Well at least First are transforming travel..... For the shareholders and directors yes. I thought negativity was now banned on this forum? Or is that only towards certain operators?
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Post by fwybuses on Oct 15, 2010 19:06:54 GMT 1
I wouldn't class that as negativity. If you are going to say that, then you may aswell delete the majority of the last post's as they have a certain biased opinion in them as well as a few facts. And also delete G547'S post as that could be deemed as "negative". The fact that BOTH moderators were involved in the conversation and have seen the post's must mean that these last few posts about first were sarcastic & should not be taken seriously
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Post by SF07 on Oct 15, 2010 20:00:59 GMT 1
Timetable for the 18, 19 and 19A is now up, among others. www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/FA22C811-B8CF-492C-A57E-58E23D2C7942/0/018bustimetable.pdfAlso, another change not mentioned in the Changing Times booklet, that has come up on VOSA today. And it's another change to Rossendalebus's Todmorden-Rawtenstall service. We've had the 49, 273 and 9 before but the 9 will be withdrawn and replaced by the 465. It merges the 9 and 10 services in Rawtenstall to provide a service between Rawtenstall, Waterfoot, Edgeside, Bacup and Todmorden. PC0001838/194 - ROSSENDALE TRANSPORT LTD T/A EASYRIDE, KNOWSLEY PARK WAY, KNOWSLEY ROAD INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, HASLINGDEN, ROSSENDALE, BB4 4RS Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Rawtenstall Finish Point: Todmorden Via: Edgeside Service Number: 465 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 01-NOV-2010 Other Details: Mon to Sat daytime hourly to Todmorden Half hourly between Rawtenstall
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Post by SF07 on Oct 16, 2010 20:21:52 GMT 1
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Post by jc on Oct 17, 2010 15:36:17 GMT 1
Is it just me of are First creeping towards doing away with the overground concept altogether? The concept was for routes with a turn-up-and-go frequency, which isn't every 20 minutes in my book. Every 15 mins (as in York) is arguable. I love the '6 buses an hour at up to 15 minute intervals' caveat they use on supposedly 10 minute routes.
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Post by Jack on Oct 18, 2010 12:40:49 GMT 1
The new 91/91A timetable looks interesting as well, there is one duplicated journey on a Saturday between Bramley Centre and Harehills where there's a Centrebus 91A from Pudsey to St James' and First's 91 between Bramley and Halton Moor at 0823.
I suppose this and other cases where a Centrebus tendered journey and a First commercial run will be addressed in the near future.
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Post by Craig on Oct 18, 2010 17:05:28 GMT 1
Of course the 91A morning journeys have little purpose altogether now that the daytime service is cancelled.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 23, 2010 18:38:35 GMT 1
Looking closer at the new timetable for the 757 and extra running time has been introduced at peak times meaning some inbound journeys arrive after the outbound journey has already left. Therefore expect some unusual workings as the norm with 'orange' buses on the 757 in the peaks and possibly 'silver' buses switching onto other routes in the peaks. I also didn't realise that Sunday 650 journeys were being withdrawn. This means that Bradford has a link to Otley and Ilkley on Sunday evenings but not during the day on Sundays!
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Post by Craig on Oct 24, 2010 15:59:47 GMT 1
With the 757 there was and still is 4 buses required, but the 4th bus will now only be needed at peak times. A lot of dead time has been cut out. So in theory it should still be the silver Airport Direct buses being used but whether or not Centrebus will interwork with other routes remains to be seen.
The 963 Otley-Ilkley evenings only service on a Sunday always was a bit stupid, even more so with the loss of the 650! And there's quite a bit of dead time at Bradford on that service (I don't think TLC run any other evening routes?). One thing I hadn't realised before is that Mondays to Fridays the last 653 and the first 963 from Otley depart at exactly the same time towards Bradford - TLC competing with themselves! I wonder if TLC will consider upping the 653 to hourly to match the evening service now that First have completely given up the route. The non-standard timetable isn't very user friendly and surely those 1 minute turnarounds at each end of the route don't help with reliability!
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Post by SF07 on Oct 24, 2010 19:51:06 GMT 1
One thing I hadn't realised before is that Mondays to Fridays the last 653 and the first 963 from Otley depart at exactly the same time towards Bradford - TLC competing with themselves! I wonder if TLC will consider upping the 653 to hourly to match the evening service now that First have completely given up the route. The non-standard timetable isn't very user friendly and surely those 1 minute turnarounds at each end of the route don't help with reliability! And the 963 is quicker to Bradford than the 653 according to the timetables. Given that it takes the 653 49 minutes to complete a journey in either direction, an hourly service would be possible with a 11 minute turnaround at either end. Another option (but more complicated) could be to have an hourly service complementing the 737 to have a half-hourly service between Guiseley and Bradford via Shipley, similar to the old says when First ran both. Perhaps retime the 737 and 747 so that they can interwork with the 653 and 947.
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Post by Burnside on Oct 24, 2010 20:15:07 GMT 1
I still don't understand the lack of a daytime service between Ilkley and Bradford. There is demand for it especially when the Wharfedale Line has gone t*ts up.
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Post by Jack on Oct 24, 2010 20:55:20 GMT 1
Perhaps retime the 737 and 747 so that they can interwork with the 653 and 947. Interwork? How is that going to happen if they're operated by different operators
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Post by Matty on Oct 24, 2010 22:44:15 GMT 1
I think he means connect with the 653 & 947 :-)
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Post by SF07 on Oct 25, 2010 0:37:52 GMT 1
I meant complement each other (picked the wrong word). Have the 653 and 737 run half-hourly combined between Guiseley, Shipley and Bradford and the 747 and 947 run half-hourly combined between Yeadon, Greengates and Bradford.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Oct 25, 2010 8:26:12 GMT 1
With the 757 there was and still is 4 buses required, but the 4th bus will now only be needed at peak times. A lot of dead time has been cut out. So in theory it should still be the silver Airport Direct buses being used but whether or not Centrebus will interwork with other routes remains to be seen. The change to the 757 running times means that there will be 1 less airport bus needed each day as the extra journeys will interwork with a school run currently worked by a double-decker, there will be 1 round trip in the morning peak (approx 08:30 from Leeds) & 2 round trips in the evening between 17:00 & 20:00) on this working.
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Post by SF07 on Oct 27, 2010 18:02:45 GMT 1
New update on Metro: The 11pm weekday journey on the 549 from Halifax, which was planned to be withdrawn from next week, will not be withdrawn after all, following customer demand.
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Post by 77syk7 on Nov 5, 2010 11:40:05 GMT 1
A good example of where the planning has somehow gone wrong in the recent cutbacks was clearly obserevd by myself last night. Last bus from Halifax on the main interurban 503 route to Huddersfield is now 2215. Five minutes later than this at 2220 we see the 559 Centrebus setting off to Dean Head (just a scattering of farms/houses, no pub - total population cannot be more than 20) most who will have private transport anyway. I'm not for cutting services but surely money could be saved cutting these very rural services back in the evenings/Sundays?
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 5, 2010 12:21:34 GMT 1
A good example of where the planning has somehow gone wrong in the recent cutbacks was clearly obserevd by myself last night. Last bus from Halifax on the main interurban 503 route to Huddersfield is now 2215. Five minutes later than this at 2220 we see the 559 Centrebus setting off to Dean Head (just a scattering of farms/houses, no pub - total population cannot be more than 20) most who will have private transport anyway. I'm not for cutting services but surely money could be saved cutting these very rural services back in the evenings/Sundays? But the 20 or so will still pay their taxes just like you and me
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Nov 5, 2010 17:18:08 GMT 1
I'd say it's quite a bit more than 20 when you include Barkisland, Greetland, Norland and that village just outside Barkisland that has a bit of a funny name. I know Dean head has a scattering of houses/farms so I must admit it would have been better to curtail the service at that funny named village rather than run it at that time to nowhere.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 5, 2010 20:30:07 GMT 1
There is no link between the two, the 503 withdrawal is a commercial decision by First, the 559 was part of the tendered package introduced earlier this year.
It's not as if Metro have decided to axe the 503 journey but keep the 559 one.
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Post by SF07 on Nov 5, 2010 22:37:31 GMT 1
Just like the 537 running from Halifax to Elland at 2245, which is 30 minutes after the 501 and an hour after the last direct journey to Huddersfield on the 503 (apart from Saturdays).
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