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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Nov 30, 2023 23:09:49 GMT 1
Recently heard through the trumpet vine that not the second company are wanting rid of "Through" services Mon - Sat Daytime. Through as in circulars? That would truly be one of the best decisions made in years. The amount of confusion and panic you see on the 370 and 371 It was a weekly occurrence to see old people rushing across the road after waiting on the wrong side. Those two routes are an absolute mess and waste of resources. I've always had a few ideas on how to fix them may post some later in the changes thread. No, through as in cross city/town services. In regards for people on the wrong side of the road they should just pick a side and stick with it. Years ago I was seeing a lass at Cowrakes in Lindley which was almost half way round the "Moorhill loop" if I caught the bus I would just pick a side and stay on it. E.g. Current "track services" 370 Rawthorpe to Moorhill & Lindley would become Huddersfield to Moorhill & Lindley 371 Dalton to Lindley & Rawthorpe would become Huddersfield to Lindley & Rawthorpe 372 could just be axed completely with 371 "shorts" in it's place between Huddersfield and Lindley if there is enough demand. The Dalton/Rawthorpe section would become something like 270 Huddersfield to Rawthorpe 271 Huddersfield to Dalton/Upper Heaton 272 Huddersfield to Almondbury (using the 2** series of numbers for that side for historical reasons... 262 Upper Heaton via Grosvenor Road for example)
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 30, 2023 23:18:21 GMT 1
Through as in circulars? That would truly be one of the best decisions made in years. The amount of confusion and panic you see on the 370 and 371 It was a weekly occurrence to see old people rushing across the road after waiting on the wrong side. Those two routes are an absolute mess and waste of resources. I've always had a few ideas on how to fix them may post some later in the changes thread. No, through as in cross city/town services. In regards for people on the wrong side of the road they should just pick a side and stick with it. Years ago I was seeing a lass at Cowrakes in Lindley which was almost half way round the "Moorhill loop" if I caught the bus I would just pick a side and stay on it. E.g. Current "track services" 370 Rawthorpe to Moorhill & Lindley would become Huddersfield to Moorhill & Lindley 371 Dalton to Lindley & Rawthorpe would become Huddersfield to Lindley & Rawthorpe 372 could just be axed completely with 371 "shorts" in it's place between Huddersfield and Lindley if there is enough demand. The Dalton/Rawthorpe section would become something like 270 Huddersfield to Rawthorpe 271 Huddersfield to Dalton/Upper Heaton (using the 2** series of numbers for that side for historical reasons... 262 Upper Heaton via Grosvenor Road for example) Even better. I presume that would be the death of Westgate (good), since there isn't really an easy way to turn around. Brilliant change if it is true or course.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Nov 30, 2023 23:24:21 GMT 1
No, through as in cross city/town services. In regards for people on the wrong side of the road they should just pick a side and stick with it. Years ago I was seeing a lass at Cowrakes in Lindley which was almost half way round the "Moorhill loop" if I caught the bus I would just pick a side and stay on it. E.g. Current "track services" 370 Rawthorpe to Moorhill & Lindley would become Huddersfield to Moorhill & Lindley 371 Dalton to Lindley & Rawthorpe would become Huddersfield to Lindley & Rawthorpe 372 could just be axed completely with 371 "shorts" in it's place between Huddersfield and Lindley if there is enough demand. The Dalton/Rawthorpe section would become something like 270 Huddersfield to Rawthorpe 271 Huddersfield to Dalton/Upper Heaton (using the 2** series of numbers for that side for historical reasons... 262 Upper Heaton via Grosvenor Road for example) Even better. I presume that would be the death of Westgate (good), since there isn't really an easy way to turn around. Brilliant change if it is true or course. Like I say, just something I have heard being mentioned. Could turn out completely false though. If true I wouldn't expect it to happen within the next six months.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 23:26:46 GMT 1
No, through as in cross city/town services. In regards for people on the wrong side of the road they should just pick a side and stick with it. Years ago I was seeing a lass at Cowrakes in Lindley which was almost half way round the "Moorhill loop" if I caught the bus I would just pick a side and stay on it. E.g. Current "track services" 370 Rawthorpe to Moorhill & Lindley would become Huddersfield to Moorhill & Lindley 371 Dalton to Lindley & Rawthorpe would become Huddersfield to Lindley & Rawthorpe 372 could just be axed completely with 371 "shorts" in it's place between Huddersfield and Lindley if there is enough demand. The Dalton/Rawthorpe section would become something like 270 Huddersfield to Rawthorpe 271 Huddersfield to Dalton/Upper Heaton (using the 2** series of numbers for that side for historical reasons... 262 Upper Heaton via Grosvenor Road for example) Even better. I presume that would be the death of Westgate (good), since there isn't really an easy way to turn around. Brilliant change if it is true or course. To be honest it could have a negative affect on the Rawthorpe route at least, half of the Town Centre has moved down Leeds Road in recent months what is not that far to walk (or less than 5-10mins in a car) from most of the Rawthorpe area so reducing other direct links from across town on 370 could push passengers further away.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 30, 2023 23:29:00 GMT 1
Even better. I presume that would be the death of Westgate (good), since there isn't really an easy way to turn around. Brilliant change if it is true or course. Like I say, just something I have heard being mentioned. Could turn out completely false though. If true I wouldn't expect it to happen within the next six months. Of course. It remember it being said that alot of positive stuff happened with the split of the 51/52. If so surely they would want to replicate it
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 1, 2023 13:56:26 GMT 1
Rather than focussing on Huddersfield, I wonder if it’s time to cut through services in Bradford
Places like Allerton, Fagley, Greengates will be receiving a heavilly disrupted service at the moment due to the roadworks and congestion on Manchester Road, Wakefield Road etc, which they wouldn’t have if they were not cross town
Also once Bradford council’s city centre plans have been finished there will be limited ways to cross the city centre anyway, so for example the 640/1 could run Buttershaw to the Interchange and then Bolton Road to Five Lane Ends
Any complaints about links lost, First can just blame the council
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 14:09:15 GMT 1
Rather than focussing on Huddersfield, I wonder if it’s time to cut through services in Bradford Places like Allerton, Fagley, Greengates will be receiving a heavilly disrupted service at the moment due to the roadworks and congestion on Manchester Road, Wakefield Road etc, which they wouldn’t have if they were not cross town Also once Bradford council’s city centre plans have been finished there will be limited ways to cross the city centre anyway, so for example the 640/1 could run Buttershaw to the Interchange and then Bolton Road to Five Lane Ends
Any complaints about links lost, First can just blame the councilIsn't the whole point of reopening Well Street & the new bus gate at the bottom of Vicar Lane (next to the job centre) to allow Cross-City routes to continue, with a new bus hub included at Well Street by the Broadway replacing Market Street so First won't be able to blame the council.
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Post by pjb on Dec 1, 2023 16:55:59 GMT 1
Rather than focussing on Huddersfield, I wonder if it’s time to cut through services in Bradford Any complaints about links lost, First can just blame the council [/b][/quote]Isn't the whole point of reopening Well Street & the new bus gate at the bottom of Vicar Lane (next to the job centre) to allow Cross-City routes to continue, with a new bus hub included at Well Street by the Broadway replacing Market Street so First won't be able to blame the council. [/quote] Except that Well Street being on the east side of the city centre is further out of the way for services needing the west of the city, eg Allerton Clayton Thornton. So whilst it could give through services to the north to Shipley and east to Idle Thackley etc it’s no good for the west such as 636/637/607/615/616/617/618.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 17:11:25 GMT 1
[/b][/quote]Isn't the whole point of reopening Well Street & the new bus gate at the bottom of Vicar Lane (next to the job centre) to allow Cross-City routes to continue, with a new bus hub included at Well Street by the Broadway replacing Market Street so First won't be able to blame the council. [/quote] Except that Well Street being on the east side of the city centre is further out of the way for services needing the west of the city, eg Allerton Clayton Thornton. So whilst it could give through services to the north to Shipley and east to Idle Thackley etc it’s no good for the west such as 636/637/607/615/616/617/618.[/quote] The example i replied to was regarding the 640/1, for the services you listed (only 617/8 being Cross-City) they have the option of terminating at the Kirkgate Market 'Hub' or running via Godwin St to the Interchange.
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Post by rwilkes on Dec 1, 2023 20:19:17 GMT 1
The loss of Market Street and Sunbridge road stops will be very inconvenient for shoppers and I expect many will got to other places to shop instead. Somwbody inportnat at Bradford Council clearly hates buses
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Post by stephen01 on Dec 1, 2023 20:56:04 GMT 1
is it heck. GNE and B&H are way more OTT (i'd class there as health hazards given the speed of the lights could easily trigger epileptic seizures).
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Post by LukePA on Dec 4, 2023 16:55:44 GMT 1
December service changes are now on WY Metro:
9 White Rose Centre • Pudsey • Horsforth Sun 24 Dec 2023 Operated by Yorkshire Buses Yorkshire Buses have advised that this service is no longer viable for them and will be withdrawn. The Combined Authority are currently looking at options to mitigate this withdrawal. Service 9 operated by SquarePeg is not affected. 29 White Rose Centre • Leeds Dock • Leeds University • Headingley • Horsforth Fri 22 Dec 2023 Operated by Yorkshire Buses This service will be revised to operate between Atkinson Street (Hunslet), Leeds Dock and Leeds University only. It will operate on school days only, hourly from 0730 to 2030. 301 302 Huddersfield • Milnsbridge • Golcar Sun 10 Dec 2023 Operated by First On weekday daytimes, 301 and 302 departures will be swapped over: 301 will depart Huddersfield at 15 and 45 minutes past each hour, and 302 will depart Huddersfield at 00 and 30 minutes past each hour. Some journeys will be retimed by around 5 minutes to improve punctuality and reliability. 328 Balmoral Avenue • Huddersfield • Bradley Sun 10 Dec 2023 Operated by First Some journeys will be retimed by around 5 minutes to improve punctuality and reliability, and some early morning, evening and Sunday journeys will be retimed by around 10-15 minutes. 356 Huddersfield • Paddock • Longwood Sun 10 Dec 2023 Operated by First Some journeys will be retimed by up to 5 minutes to improve punctuality and reliability. 2 | P a g e 358 Huddersfield • Ashenhurst Sun 10 Dec 2023 Operated by First This service will be rerouted towards Huddersfield. It will operate via Colne Road, Queen Street South, Queensgate and Castlegate. It will no longer serve Kings Mill Lane, Southgate and Kirkgate. Some journeys will be retimed by up to 3 minutes to improve punctuality and reliability. Journeys operated by Team Pennine will remain unchanged. 537 Halifax • Elland • Stainland • Outlane • Huddersfield Sun 10 Dec 2023 Operated by First Some journeys will be retimed by around 5-15 minutes to improve punctuality and reliability. CT-
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Post by SF07 on Dec 7, 2023 18:38:34 GMT 1
Greater Manchester Combined Authority have confirmed that the 184 service between Huddersfield and Oldham will be jointly funded by TfGM and WYCA/Metro from this Sunday (10th December) until March 2024 at its current levels. This was after First West Yorkshire intended to withdraw the service (see earlier in the thread). The funding lasts until "start of the Tranche 2 franchised services in March 2024.", which would indicate that the service will then become part of the Bee Network from March 2024 and returning to run from Oldham depot, which transfers from First Manchester to Stagecoach/Bee Network from 24 March 2024. So, could mean some more changes in the Colne Valley in the Spring, particularly if the 184 is re-routed back to its former direct route via the A62 Manchester Road instead of via Hard End and Linthwaite. democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=442&MId=5360democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s30228/9.%20BNC%2020231214%20Network%20Planning%20and%20Review%20Process.pdf
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Post by mattb7tl on Dec 7, 2023 19:11:23 GMT 1
Greater Manchester Combined Authority have confirmed that the 184 service between Huddersfield and Oldham will be jointly funded by TfGM and WYCA/Metro from this Sunday (10th December) until March 2024 at its current levels. This was after First West Yorkshire intended to withdraw the service (see earlier in the thread). The funding lasts until "start of the Tranche 2 franchised services in March 2024.", which would indicate that the service will then become part of the Bee Network from March 2024 and returning to run from Oldham depot, which transfers from First Manchester to Stagecoach/Bee Network from 24 March 2024. So, could mean some more changes in the Colne Valley in the Spring, particularly if the 184 is re-routed back to its former direct route via the A62 Manchester Road instead of via Hard End and Linthwaite. democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=442&MId=5360democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s30228/9.%20BNC%2020231214%20Network%20Planning%20and%20Review%20Process.pdfThey really don't help themselves. A busy route and they continue to rinse local authorities of funding! So much for 'less reliance on public funding' they scream about with their EP+ nonsense.
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Post by martinsfp on Dec 7, 2023 19:55:09 GMT 1
On the upside, bright yellow buses rolling into Huddersfield.
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Post by mattb7tl on Dec 7, 2023 20:08:54 GMT 1
On the upside, bright yellow buses rolling into Huddersfield. Definitely an upside, but of course it is speculation. I do however hope they change manufacturer. Wright has caught up, and gone beyond, with their build quality.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 7, 2023 20:53:01 GMT 1
It is speculation as it could be the case that once Bee Network Phase 2 starts the 184 could become Oldham to Uppermill or Diggle only, with the 183 returning on the West Yorkshire side
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Post by kendall17 on Dec 7, 2023 20:53:26 GMT 1
Greater Manchester Combined Authority have confirmed that the 184 service between Huddersfield and Oldham will be jointly funded by TfGM and WYCA/Metro from this Sunday (10th December) until March 2024 at its current levels. This was after First West Yorkshire intended to withdraw the service (see earlier in the thread). The funding lasts until "start of the Tranche 2 franchised services in March 2024.", which would indicate that the service will then become part of the Bee Network from March 2024 and returning to run from Oldham depot, which transfers from First Manchester to Stagecoach/Bee Network from 24 March 2024. So, could mean some more changes in the Colne Valley in the Spring, particularly if the 184 is re-routed back to its former direct route via the A62 Manchester Road instead of via Hard End and Linthwaite. democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=442&MId=5360democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s30228/9.%20BNC%2020231214%20Network%20Planning%20and%20Review%20Process.pdfThey really don't help themselves. A busy route and they continue to rinse local authorities of funding! So much for 'less reliance on public funding' they scream about with their EP+ nonsense. Just because it's busy doesn't mean it's profitable.
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Post by andy1 on Dec 7, 2023 21:45:01 GMT 1
I can confirm Stagecoach (OLDHAM DEPOT, BEE NETWORK) From March 2024 will be operating service 184 Huddersfield to Oldham and return .
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Post by driver6540 on Dec 7, 2023 23:39:19 GMT 1
Just a shame they can't extend the MetroLink through to Huddersfield. Far better than the buses !!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 23:51:46 GMT 1
Greater Manchester Combined Authority have confirmed that the 184 service between Huddersfield and Oldham will be jointly funded by TfGM and WYCA/Metro from this Sunday (10th December) until March 2024 at its current levels. This was after First West Yorkshire intended to withdraw the service (see earlier in the thread). The funding lasts until "start of the Tranche 2 franchised services in March 2024.", which would indicate that the service will then become part of the Bee Network from March 2024 and returning to run from Oldham depot, which transfers from First Manchester to Stagecoach/Bee Network from 24 March 2024. So, could mean some more changes in the Colne Valley in the Spring, particularly if the 184 is re-routed back to its former direct route via the A62 Manchester Road instead of via Hard End and Linthwaite. democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=442&MId=5360democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s30228/9.%20BNC%2020231214%20Network%20Planning%20and%20Review%20Process.pdfThey really don't help themselves. A busy route and they continue to rinse local authorities of funding! So much for 'less reliance on public funding' they scream about with their EP+ nonsense. It's popularity has taken a hit on the Manchester side of the route. Saddleworth people tend not to use it because of it's detour & the Greenacres area have turned away from buses due to the various cuts (this area just over 10 years ago had a 15 Mins frequency) I'm guessing any major changes will happen in 2025 as Saddleworth is one of the first areas mentioned alongside the North Salford/Bury areas to have a 'network revision/restructure' (or repair depending how you look at it) once all areas are under the Bee Network On the upside, bright yellow buses rolling into Huddersfield. Definitely an upside, but of course it is speculation. I do however hope they change manufacturer. Wright has caught up, and gone beyond, with their build quality. Oldham are gaining 50x BYD/E400Citys identical to the Bolton batch but are expected to operate the 17/18 & 409 routes (at least until the new Central Park depot opens), then there's BZLs for Stockport - Currently no Wright electrics on order for GM.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 8, 2023 1:08:27 GMT 1
I can confirm Stagecoach (OLDHAM DEPOT, BEE NETWORK) From March 2024 will be operating service 184 Huddersfield to Oldham and return . Seems strange why they moved it to Huddersfield in the first place. At the time people thought it was so it wouldn’t fall under the Bee Network and First would retain it
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Post by mattb7tl on Dec 8, 2023 1:52:05 GMT 1
I can confirm Stagecoach (OLDHAM DEPOT, BEE NETWORK) From March 2024 will be operating service 184 Huddersfield to Oldham and return . Seems strange why they moved it to Huddersfield in the first place. At the time people thought it was so it wouldn’t fall under the Bee Network and First would retain it It was probably the intention but it seems OFL has a curse where anything that touches it becomes unsustainable. I wonder whether this route would see some great improvements when franchising arrives. It seems both authorities find it valuable. It would be nice to see it with a fuller timetable.
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Post by pjb on Dec 8, 2023 4:29:13 GMT 1
The loss of Market Street and Sunbridge road stops will be very inconvenient for shoppers and I expect many will got to other places to shop instead. Somwbody inportnat at Bradford Council clearly hates buses Exactly, people from the west of the city don’t want to get off at a new kirkgate market hub or get off on Godwin street when they want to be at the Broadway main shops. All bus routes to west of the city will likely suffer once they are less convenient for shoppers. And I still feel that potentially bused heading to the Interchange via Godwin street and vice Versa could still get stuck in high levels of traffic this being the only route left open to all traffic, particularly towards the lower end of Manchester Road and Croft Street junction area which suffered congestion well before these alterations started. I do feel buses need to serve the rail station but the loss of the direct sunbridge road and bridge street routes won’t be helpful.
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Post by steve440 on Dec 8, 2023 17:43:30 GMT 1
I can confirm Stagecoach (OLDHAM DEPOT, BEE NETWORK) From March 2024 will be operating service 184 Huddersfield to Oldham and return . Hopefully it will revert to its former route direct on the A62 and also omitting Greenacres.
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