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Post by joseph on Nov 14, 2023 6:28:21 GMT 1
WYCA Tender batch 740 for no9 replacement is worth £1 million over a 2.5 year contract. Deadline for bids is November 27th 2023. I'd quite happily accept a 2 hourly service if it's that expensive for an hourly one, I hope the route is split too as it will be a massive waste of money if it isn't, can't see the replacement operator able to turn things around based on the current timetable that's for sure.
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Post by rossbailey on Nov 14, 2023 22:02:22 GMT 1
Been told by somebody today that Yorkshire Buses are bidding for the new 9 tender.
The new 2.5 year WYCA contract (worth £1 million) covers the full route, not parcil. Also the service will be renumbered to become the new number 10.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 14, 2023 22:19:16 GMT 1
Been told by somebody today that Yorkshire Buses are bidding for the new 9 tender. The new 2.5 year WYCA contract (worth £1 million) covers the full route, not parcil. Also the service will be renumbered to become the new number 10. That solves that I was kind of wondering how it was withdrawn considering the effort and impressive increase in usage they reported I believe after they posted a route promotion through letterboxes?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 15, 2023 19:12:09 GMT 1
Why with franchising likely to come in in a number of years on the future would you withdraw a service today?
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Post by deerfold on Nov 15, 2023 19:34:42 GMT 1
Why with franchising likely to come in in a number of years on the future would you withdraw a service today? How does franchising impact on the decision? Surely they're just working out if they can make money from a reliable service and have decided they can't.
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Post by stevieinselby on Nov 15, 2023 19:54:26 GMT 1
How does franchising impact on the decision? Surely they're just working out if they can make money from a reliable service and have decided they can't. It obviously doesn't, but M803UYA said a couple of posts up that they would withdraw commercial services if there was a threat of franchising in the future in order to concentrate on areas of work where they would be in control of how much money they generated in fares, presumably not wanting to bid for any franchises that would give them guaranteed income 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 20:20:52 GMT 1
How does franchising impact on the decision? Surely they're just working out if they can make money from a reliable service and have decided they can't. It obviously doesn't, but M803UYA said a couple of posts up that they would withdraw commercial services if there was a threat of franchising in the future in order to concentrate on areas of work where they would be in control of how much money they generated in fares, presumably not wanting to bid for any franchises that would give them guaranteed income 🤷🏻♂️ But Franchising has been a strong possibility with the Mayor mentioning it for at least 2-3 years at this point so they knew the risks when they first took on the route earlier this year. Just seems like an easy excuse to blame the 'threat of franchising' now when they knew about it when they first started.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 16, 2023 0:29:21 GMT 1
But why would franchising coming in in 3 years time mean a service should be dropped now?
They could run it until the very last day
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Post by WYBS on Nov 16, 2023 1:44:07 GMT 1
But why would franchising coming in in 3 years time mean a service should be dropped now? They could run it until the very last day I think the point is that any sensible owner/ director would start to focus on, and build a business on work that wouldn't be threatened by the prospect of franchising. It's no good leaving something like that till the last minute and suddenly having to shut up shop because you have no work.
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Post by peteleeds on Nov 16, 2023 8:49:33 GMT 1
I personally think they are missing a trick here and should look at the ring road route altogether again.
Having a pudsey to seacroft via rodley & Horsforth route (part replacement of both 9's)
A white rose to holt park via calverley and horsforth route (9 route white rose to pudsey, then 30 route to horsforth then 31 route to holt park)
And a white rose to seacroft via rothwell route (partially replace Squarepeg 9)
These would replace
Yorkshire buses 9 Squarepeg 9 A & a 30 Squarepeg 31
Hopefully this would make better use of the subsidies and more efficient use of resources
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 14:48:57 GMT 1
I think the point is that any sensible owner/ director would start to focus on, and build a business on work that wouldn't be threatened by the prospect of franchising. It's no good leaving something like that till the last minute and suddenly having to shut up shop because you have no work. That's what I was getting at, thanks for adding! You could in theory carry on with said commercial service until the very last day, but why would you? In that case why would they takeover the route to begin with? The threat of franchising was already there, infact the threat was already there when they first started up on route 29 so why would they bother with public routes to begin with if the possibility of franchising was that much of an issue?
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Post by yorkslad on Nov 16, 2023 23:02:47 GMT 1
I personally think they are missing a trick here and should look at the ring road route altogether again. Having a pudsey to seacroft via rodley & Horsforth route (part replacement of both 9's) A white rose to holt park via calverley and horsforth route (9 route white rose to pudsey, then 30 route to horsforth then 31 route to holt park) And a white rose to seacroft via rothwell route (partially replace Squarepeg 9) These would replace Yorkshire buses 9 Squarepeg 9 A & a 30 Squarepeg 31 Hopefully this would make better use of the subsidies and more efficient use of resources The northern section of the former Ring Road services saw little traffic. White Rose to Holt Park is far too unwieldy, with lots of imported delays; Pudsey to White Rose makes sense, and Pudsey to Horsforth (or Holt Park - the old 80 (or 81/82, I forget), from way back when).
I did once try and break up the whole Ring Road service into four overlapping routes, crossing at White Rose, Pudsey and Cross Gates. Pointless exercise!
Bit annoyed if one of the route variations is numbered 10, as I always wanted that for the Saturday short turns on service 1. But then they probably couldn't claim the 1 as a frequent service. Mind you, the 74 is classed as frequent enough for a colour, and it only runs evey 30 minutes...
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Post by deerfold on Nov 16, 2023 23:11:03 GMT 1
I did once try and break up the whole Ring Road service into four overlapping routes, crossing at White Rose, Pudsey and Cross Gates. Pointless exercise! It used to work quite well as one full loop. But then it started coming off the ring road to replace other routes and getting slower and slower.
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 21, 2023 19:14:13 GMT 1
Have an open top view of a traffic jam
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Post by yorkslad on Nov 21, 2023 23:42:55 GMT 1
I did once try and break up the whole Ring Road service into four overlapping routes, crossing at White Rose, Pudsey and Cross Gates. Pointless exercise! It used to work quite well as one full loop. But then it started coming off the ring road to replace other routes and getting slower and slower. And, from personal experience of living just off the Ring Road in Lower Wortley... the traffic levels didn't help. The run from Ringways to the M621 was more of a walk. Circular services have no recovery time as well. Perhaps if it started at Horsforth, ran to Pudsey and did a full loop back to Pudsey, recovery time at the Bus Station, turned round and ran to Horsforth, then a full loop round back to Pudsey and Horsforth. Or White Rose-Ringways, or wherever the custom is?
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Post by SF07 on Nov 29, 2023 19:22:56 GMT 1
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 29, 2023 19:24:16 GMT 1
The 358 apparently has a 'route change' but I can't see one? Edit: The route no longer appears to run down kings mill lane and seems to go the direction of the 306.
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Post by pricel on Nov 30, 2023 0:02:23 GMT 1
I have noticed when you go onto timetable page on the forthcoming tab, it just shows Halifax Bus Routes 501-592 on the forthcoming page and nothing about 301/302, 328, 356, 358 and 537. Does this mean the Halifax services will potentially change also?
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Nov 30, 2023 11:37:54 GMT 1
Halifax changes have been cancelled
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Post by pricel on Nov 30, 2023 13:54:39 GMT 1
Halifax changes have been cancelled Probably a wise decision as Halifax Bus Station is expected to be opened fully between January and February so the changes can wait a month.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Nov 30, 2023 18:45:49 GMT 1
Recently heard through the trumpet vine that not the second company are wanting rid of "Through" services Mon - Sat Daytime.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Nov 30, 2023 18:46:26 GMT 1
Halifax changes have been cancelled Probably a wise decision as Halifax Bus Station is expected to be opened fully between January and February so the changes can wait a month. More to do with the rotas for drivers being out of agreements with the Union.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 30, 2023 18:58:45 GMT 1
Recently heard through the trumpet vine that not the second company are wanting rid of "Through" services Mon - Sat Daytime. Through as in circulars? That would truly be one of the best decisions made in years. The amount of confusion and panic you see on the 370 and 371 It was a weekly occurrence to see old people rushing across the road after waiting on the wrong side. Those two routes are an absolute mess and waste of resources. I've always had a few ideas on how to fix them may post some later in the changes thread.
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 30, 2023 22:09:44 GMT 1
A bit OTT?
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Post by deerfold on Nov 30, 2023 22:39:19 GMT 1
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