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Post by joseph on Nov 11, 2023 8:13:49 GMT 1
Probably a sensible decision but reliability was shocking so I'm not surprised it hasn't worked. I speak for many people locally who would use the service, but dare not in case it doesn't run or runs really late. It should have been simply kept between White Rose and Pudsey with a separate link from Pudsey to Horsforth, after all there is no need for people on the White Rose side to access places beyond Pudsey, and quite why someone from Horsforth wants to go to Elliot Hudson College instead of somewhere more local is beyond me! WYCA need to step in and fund the route as 2 separate parts, maybe extend the 30 as a 30A every hour to Pudsey following the existing 9 route.
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 11, 2023 9:37:15 GMT 1
Probably a sensible decision but reliability was shocking so I'm not surprised it hasn't worked. I speak for many people locally who would use the service, but dare not in case it doesn't run or runs really late. It should have been simply kept between White Rose and Pudsey with a separate link from Pudsey to Horsforth, after all there is no need for people on the White Rose side to access places beyond Pudsey, and quite why someone from Horsforth wants to go to Elliot Hudson College instead of somewhere more local is beyond me! WYCA need to step in and fund the route as 2 separate parts, maybe extend the 30 as a 30A every hour to Pudsey following the existing 9 route. Well YB had mentioned on social media a few weeks back the 9 was supposed to have moved to an emergency timetable running Pudsey to Horsforth funnily enough but it's not happened.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 11, 2023 11:08:09 GMT 1
The fact it shows a cancellation date of 24/12, could it be a Christmas cancellation
I.E they are planning on not running it at all over the whole Christmas week?
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 11, 2023 13:43:08 GMT 1
If it is cancelled permanently, it is a logical time to do it given the low patronage after Christmas bank holidays
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 11, 2023 13:46:59 GMT 1
It is worth noting that smaller operators tend to have more issues with false registrations. It may not even be cancelled, we will have to wait and see.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 11, 2023 14:22:23 GMT 1
Probably a sensible decision but reliability was shocking so I'm not surprised it hasn't worked. I speak for many people locally who would use the service, but dare not in case it doesn't run or runs really late. It should have been simply kept between White Rose and Pudsey with a separate link from Pudsey to Horsforth, after all there is no need for people on the White Rose side to access places beyond Pudsey, and quite why someone from Horsforth wants to go to Elliot Hudson College instead of somewhere more local is beyond me! WYCA need to step in and fund the route as 2 separate parts, maybe extend the 30 as a 30A every hour to Pudsey following the existing 9 route. Are you being serious? Many people don't always want to stay in their local area. You wouldn't have liked my regular trips on the 9 from Pudsey to Harrogate Road as part of my three times a week trip from Halifax, where I worked, to Harrogate, where my girlfriend lived.
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Post by kommie123 on Nov 11, 2023 18:22:46 GMT 1
Saw the 29 earlier heading to the White Rose Centre 25 mins late. The buses aren't even live trackable either.
Not good.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 11, 2023 18:40:01 GMT 1
Saw the 29 earlier heading to the White Rose Centre 25 mins late. The buses aren't even live trackable either. Not good. It doesn't appear like the timetables are designed for catching up. The nine for example has a part where it is expected to cover four stops in the space of a minute with two sharp turns. It seems incredibly unrealistic even when nobody gets on.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 11, 2023 19:00:35 GMT 1
Saw the 29 earlier heading to the White Rose Centre 25 mins late. The buses aren't even live trackable either. Not good. I saw two number 9s pretty much behind each other today, one was an hour late (A silver fast way Scania and a First ‘knotty’ one) No doubt due to football traffic
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Post by smithy on Nov 12, 2023 9:38:13 GMT 1
They could make the 9s every 2 hours as it's a hour and a half round anyway so 2 hourly works well as the routes too long for hourly
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 12, 2023 11:43:08 GMT 1
The fact it shows a cancellation date of 24/12, could it be a Christmas cancellation I.E they are planning on not running it at all over the whole Christmas week? 24/12 is a Saturday this year, so effectively end of a week for a bus operator. I'd assume that was a permanent cancellation. There's plenty of other revenue opportunities out there which will be much less stressful and less risky to the retention of an operators licence! Christmas Eve is actually on a Sunday and Christmas Day the Monday.
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Post by marko576 on Nov 12, 2023 11:49:52 GMT 1
Revised timetables for the December FWY changes in Calderdale and Huddersfield are available on the Metro website. It's mainly timetable revisions with even more of a move away from clock face timetables. For example, the 521 will be every 18, rather than 15 minutes, on a Sunday daytime. Unfortunately, it appears that the 508 will remain hourly.
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 12, 2023 11:49:55 GMT 1
The fact it shows a cancellation date of 24/12, could it be a Christmas cancellation I.E they are planning on not running it at all over the whole Christmas week? No, no opetator cancels a service just for Christmas as it's always a Saturday timetable and independants usually say what they'll be operating.
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Post by joseph on Nov 12, 2023 12:33:19 GMT 1
The thing is with the 508 Metro timetable can it be believed? I say that as an earlier post said it was supposed to be increasing to every 30 minutes according to management, and Metro are infamous for getting a huge number of things wrong, so are they wrong this time? They've got it really badly wrong with the 1 and 1B timetable, and still haven't corrected it despite the fact I've marched down to the Metro offices on Wellington Street, waited until I saw an actual human (outside would you believe!) and handed him the current First version alongside a version the bus station staff handed to me on the same day. That was 2 weeks ago, I haven't heard a thing since, I'd love it if someone was so inconvenienced they sued WYCA! WYCA must stand for Wasteful, Yawning, Cretins Association.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 12, 2023 13:40:40 GMT 1
I don't tend to usually trust the 'upcoming timetable' section on the website. I would wait for the release of that list with a more detailed explanation of timetable changes. I've seen in the past where the upcoming timetable stays the same, or displays straight up wrong information, up until a couple days before of after the changes take place.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 12, 2023 13:48:57 GMT 1
The thing is with the 508 Metro timetable can it be believed? I say that as an earlier post said it was supposed to be increasing to every 30 minutes according to management, and Metro are infamous for getting a huge number of things wrong, so are they wrong this time? They've got it really badly wrong with the 1 and 1B timetable, and still haven't corrected it despite the fact I've marched down to the Metro offices on Wellington Street, waited until I saw an actual human (outside would you believe!) and handed him the current First version alongside a version the bus station staff handed to me on the same day. That was 2 weeks ago, I haven't heard a thing since, I'd love it if someone was so inconvenienced they sued WYCA! WYCA must stand for Wasteful, Yawning, Cretins Association. No-one has mentioned a Metro timetable as the basis for thinking the 508 frequency was increasing. If it was to ever increase it would probably start alongside the 501/503, or the full opening of the bus station.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 12, 2023 13:56:01 GMT 1
So when they withdrew the 9 due to it not being sustainable it looks like First were actually right then?
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Post by kommie123 on Nov 12, 2023 14:11:33 GMT 1
Perhaps if they ran it from Pudsey to White Rose peak, it might have had lags either side but at least it would have mostly ran on time.
I addition, no live tracking and constant excuses (valid or not) doesn't encourage support. It's a shame.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Nov 12, 2023 23:12:44 GMT 1
Looks as though the 537 Halifax to Huddersfield will no longer be a stand alone service. Upon arrival back into Huddersfield the next journey to Halifax has already departed. Good to see it has more time on it though as the works between Elland Bypass and Salterhebble are far from kind to this service.
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Post by smithy on Nov 13, 2023 13:27:20 GMT 1
Yeah as 2 buses are normally on 2 hourly routes hourly need 3
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 13, 2023 18:46:44 GMT 1
So when they withdrew the 9 due to it not being sustainable it looks like First were actually right then? they seem to have abandoned the plan for emergency timetable on 9 running Pudsey to Horsforth.
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Post by peteleeds on Nov 13, 2023 19:07:37 GMT 1
Looks like 29 getting cut back ; hunslet to university from 22nd dec and only running university term time only
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Post by Burnside on Nov 13, 2023 20:35:59 GMT 1
So when they withdrew the 9 due to it not being sustainable it looks like First were actually right then? Define sustainable? Would it require more vehicles than the PVR the maintain the timetable? An extra bus would cost money to provide, so that could tip the route over into unprofitability. And don't forget, First may have deemed it unsustainable but they are a massive company who like routes to reach a certain level of profit. A smaller company with lower overheads might not require the same profit margin and be able to make the service work. Also, if the cancellation is effective 24/12, it might also be that a replacement registration, maybe with the route split or shortened may appear separately to start in the New year.
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Post by leedsbusman on Nov 13, 2023 22:56:16 GMT 1
Define sustainable? Would it require more vehicles than the PVR the maintain the timetable? An extra bus would cost money to provide, so that could tip the route over into unprofitability. And don't forget, First may have deemed it unsustainable but they are a massive company who like routes to reach a certain level of profit. A smaller company with lower overheads might not require the same profit margin and be able to make the service work. Also, if the cancellation is effective 24/12, it might also be that a replacement registration, maybe with the route split or shortened may appear separately to start in the New year. Theoretically - but surely a variation would be simpler. Regardless the route is out to tender by WYCA for a replacement.
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Post by rossbailey on Nov 13, 2023 23:53:11 GMT 1
WYCA Tender batch 740 for no9 replacement is worth £1 million over a 2.5 year contract. Deadline for bids is November 27th 2023.
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