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Post by shelf81 on Apr 17, 2024 22:18:21 GMT 1
Was in Bradford today for the first time since the changes came in to effect. It wasn't as bad as I was expecting based on what I'd read, and it was late afternoon so was fairly busy. The only issue I had was when boarding a bus on Bridge Street, the service I wanted was fifth in the row, and the driver didn't give much time for those waiting in the shelter to walk down to board. The lack of right turn from Well Street in to Hall Ings seems an odd move given the number of buses which now need to loop round various streets. The lack of right turn would of made sense at the time of first planning, with the thinking being all buses would of gone straight from Wells Street to Vicar Lane & then right at Bridge Street to the Interchange although there should be questions why in the past 3 months nobody thought to change the plans knowing the Interchange was closed.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 17, 2024 22:19:46 GMT 1
So, did the designer of the new road layout actually consult with the bus operators??
With various restrictions on righthand turns , it appears not!
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Post by northerner on Apr 17, 2024 22:21:07 GMT 1
Was in Bradford today for the first time since the changes came in to effect. It wasn't as bad as I was expecting based on what I'd read, and it was late afternoon so was fairly busy. The only issue I had was when boarding a bus on Bridge Street, the service I wanted was fifth in the row, and the driver didn't give much time for those waiting in the shelter to walk down to board. The lack of right turn from Well Street in to Hall Ings seems an odd move given the number of buses which now need to loop round various streets. The lack of right turn would of made sense at the time of first planning, with the thinking being all buses would of gone straight from Wells Street to Vicar Lane & then right at Bridge Street to the Interchange although there should be questions why in the past 3 months nobody thought to change the plans knowing the Interchange was closed. Ah hadn't realised the plan was for a right turn at the top of Vicar Lane. It does make a little more sense now!
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Post by rwilkes on Apr 18, 2024 20:18:38 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Apr 18, 2024 20:56:08 GMT 1
That doesn't seem to be a valid link.
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Post by rwilkes on Apr 18, 2024 21:10:28 GMT 1
wymetro.com/media/r3yi1mqh/bradford-city-centre-new-route-maps-14th-april-v7.pdf the f dropped off the end sorry
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Post by Burnside on Apr 18, 2024 21:47:08 GMT 1
Bradford's services at the moment feel very much like a large chunk of the ones in Manchester, one of my least favourite places to catch a bus. Millions of buses at one stop and poor hard to read information at bus stops with little to no guide as to where to catch your buses. I was in Bradford today for the first time in over 20 years. Notice at Leeds Bus Stn said X6 would terminate on Hall Ings - but as we know it doesn’t and didn’t - it stops on Bridge St. Getting off, passengers were asking ‘Does it leave from here?’. The driver knew but the passengers didn’t. It was lunchtime so not too many people about, but the buses all q’d up for the one stop. Someone said the junction atop Bridge St was gridlocked at 5pm yesterday.It was an absolute sh*tshow at that time. The 67 i was on approached the stop at Grattan Road stop 2 minutes early (not a timing point, so no probs) but was faced with cars blocking the Sunbridge Rd/Grattan Rd junction (presumably trying to cut down from Westgate towards Great Horton), cars trying to turn right down a gridlocked Tetley St to get to Thornton Rd thus blocking Sunbridge Rd, the usual chaos of Barry St/Godwin St and then absolute gridlock on Princes Way, Manchester Rd and Croft St, finally getting to Nelson St 20 minutes late, which, with Google telling me that the distance is 0.9 miles, equates to 1.89474mph!Then, when you get to Nelson Street, there's hundreds of people milling about, 3 bus shelters with only 4 seats each, nobody having a clue where they are going or need to be, people wandering about in the road oblivious to oncoming buses...
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Post by northerner on Apr 18, 2024 22:40:37 GMT 1
I was in Bradford today for the first time in over 20 years. Notice at Leeds Bus Stn said X6 would terminate on Hall Ings - but as we know it doesn’t and didn’t - it stops on Bridge St. Getting off, passengers were asking ‘Does it leave from here?’. The driver knew but the passengers didn’t. It was lunchtime so not too many people about, but the buses all q’d up for the one stop. Someone said the junction atop Bridge St was gridlocked at 5pm yesterday.It was an absolute sh*tshow at that time. The 67 i was on approached the stop at Grattan Road stop 2 minutes early (not a timing point, so no probs) but was faced with cars blocking the Sunbridge Rd/Grattan Rd junction (presumably trying to cut down from Westgate towards Great Horton), cars trying to turn right down a gridlocked Tetley St to get to Thornton Rd thus blocking Sunbridge Rd, the usual chaos of Barry St/Godwin St and then absolute gridlock on Princes Way, Manchester Rd and Croft St, finally getting to Nelson St 20 minutes late, which, with Google telling me that the distance is 0.9 miles, equates to 1.89474mph!Then, when you get to Nelson Street, there's hundreds of people milling about, 3 bus shelters with only 4 seats each, nobody having a clue where they are going or need to be, people wandering about in the road oblivious to oncoming buses... The 67 is shambolic since the timetable change last month, so many journeys are running through timing points early it makes you wonder what the duty managers at Keighley are doing to not pick up on these. At least the gridlock may put a stop to this practice
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Post by pjb on Apr 22, 2024 16:36:11 GMT 1
Over a week after the changes came in and the city park bus stops still don’t exist and it’s not possible to alight at bottom of Thornton road. Just been stuck in traffic for 25 mins to do half a mile. Rediculous.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 1, 2024 17:28:07 GMT 1
I think the pedestrianisation is going too far
I can see the argument for Market Street, but I think closing Hall Ings is excessive, there isn’t even much of a frontage along Hall Ings. What use is the pedestrianisation of the bit between the side of St George’s Hall, the old T&A printing hall and the back of Brittannia House?
Personally I would have made Hall Ings a bus only road with high quality bus stops along both sides. This would mean the bus stops would still be plentiful in number, and would also importantly still be on the flat from where the shops are, and not too far away from where the buses used to stop
Also they wouldn’t be throwing in the bin the not very old ‘super shelter’ where H2/3/4 was.
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Post by pricel on May 1, 2024 17:58:19 GMT 1
I think the pedestrianisation is going too far I can see the argument for Market Street, but I think closing Hall Ings is excessive, there isn’t even much of a frontage along Hall Ings. What use is the pedestrianisation of the bit between the side of St George’s Hall, the old T&A printing hall and the back of Brittannia House? Personally I would have made Hall Ings a bus only road with high quality bus stops along both sides. This would mean the bus stops would still be plentiful in number, and would also importantly still be on the flat from where the shops are, and not too far away from where the buses used to stop Also they wouldn’t be throwing in the bin the not very old ‘super shelter’ where H2/3/4 was. Hall Ings could have been used perfectly like the Headrow in Leeds with most of it being bus prioritised.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 1, 2024 18:08:16 GMT 1
I think the pedestrianisation is going too far I can see the argument for Market Street, but I think closing Hall Ings is excessive, there isn’t even much of a frontage along Hall Ings. What use is the pedestrianisation of the bit between the side of St George’s Hall, the old T&A printing hall and the back of Brittannia House? Personally I would have made Hall Ings a bus only road with high quality bus stops along both sides. This would mean the bus stops would still be plentiful in number, and would also importantly still be on the flat from where the shops are, and not too far away from where the buses used to stop Also they wouldn’t be throwing in the bin the not very old ‘super shelter’ where H2/3/4 was. Hall Ings could have been used perfectly like the Headrow in Leeds with most of it being bus prioritised. Broadway (the street) was originally designed as the main road through that part of Bradford before being part-pedestrianised (1970s?) and before building the shopping centre would've been ideal as a diversionary route for a closed-off Market Street.
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