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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 15, 2024 19:38:05 GMT 1
It has been announced that the 17th March is the day when the Bradford City Centre bus changes will take place www.wymetro.com/plan-a-journey/travel-news/bus-travel-alerts/bradfordbusmove/Hall Ings, Sunbridge Road, Market Street, Bridge Street, Broadway and Bank Street are all expected to close for pedestrianisation No specific information as yet, and none of the ‘bus hubs’ are finished, or in the case of some of them, even started The council are not phased by the Interchange closure and are pressing ahead with the changes, as it all has to be finished for Bradford’s City of Culture in 2025
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Post by pricel on Feb 15, 2024 20:07:19 GMT 1
It has been announced that the 17th March is the day when the Bradford City Centre bus changes will take place www.wymetro.com/plan-a-journey/travel-news/bus-travel-alerts/bradfordbusmove/Hall Ings, Sunbridge Road, Market Street, Bridge Street, Broadway and Bank Street are all expected to close for pedestrianisation No specific information as yet, and none of the ‘bus hubs’ are finished, or in the case of some of them, even started The council are not phased by the Interchange closure and are pressing ahead with the changes, as it all has to be finished for Bradford’s City of Culture in 2025 Hopefully interchange will re open otherwise there would be less stops to divert services to
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Post by deerfold on Feb 15, 2024 22:16:42 GMT 1
It has been announced that the 17th March is the day when the Bradford City Centre bus changes will take place www.wymetro.com/plan-a-journey/travel-news/bus-travel-alerts/bradfordbusmove/Hall Ings, Sunbridge Road, Market Street, Bridge Street, Broadway and Bank Street are all expected to close for pedestrianisation No specific information as yet, and none of the ‘bus hubs’ are finished, or in the case of some of them, even started The council are not phased by the Interchange closure and are pressing ahead with the changes, as it all has to be finished for Bradford’s City of Culture in 2025 Hopefully interchange will re open otherwise there would be less stops to divert services to There's no chance of the Interchange reopening in March. At the end of January Metro said it would be closed for at least two months. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24082574.latest-closure-bradford-interchange-bus-station/
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Post by pricel on Feb 15, 2024 22:31:43 GMT 1
Well then it seems like an incredibly dumb move from Bradford City Council and WYCA then. To be honest if it were up to me, I would have built a new bus station on the site of Hall Ings Car Park, with the current Interchange being used for Car Park space for the Railway Station.
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Post by WYBS on Feb 15, 2024 22:53:42 GMT 1
Well then it seems like an incredibly dumb move from Bradford City Council and WYCA then. To be honest if it were up to me, I would have built a new bus station on the site of Hall Ings Car Park, with the current Interchange being used for Car Park space for the Railway Station. A huge car park? The whole idea is to move people away from using cars in the city centre, and make the city centre more attractive.
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Post by pricel on Feb 15, 2024 23:30:45 GMT 1
Well then it seems like an incredibly dumb move from Bradford City Council and WYCA then. To be honest if it were up to me, I would have built a new bus station on the site of Hall Ings Car Park, with the current Interchange being used for Car Park space for the Railway Station. A huge car park? The whole idea is to move people away from using cars in the city centre, and make the city centre more attractive. The Car Park is already there under Interchange?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 15, 2024 23:55:02 GMT 1
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Post by joseph on Feb 16, 2024 7:30:48 GMT 1
But both are connected because if you don't have enough space for bus stands together with an open interchange with lots of parking, you end up looking like Leeds! Quite why every councillor thinks buses that don't stop in the city centre, pavements everywhere and all cars should be banned makes for an attractive city I'll never know. Bradford centre is on a big hill, half of it is derelict, yer, taking nearly all the custom away in favour of yet more pavements really will help bring life back lol.
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Post by martinsfp on Feb 16, 2024 8:00:21 GMT 1
So many unanswered questions about how this works and so little time to answer them. Example: the design works a bit like Manchester city centre in the 90s/2000s in actively discouraging cross-city services. While they can still exist, they’ll have to take longer, more inconvenient routes. It would make sense for reliability to split them, but then ideally you’d need a circular service around the bus hubs to connect them all up, and there’s nothing been announced about that. With the interchange closed, this new approach will reduce pressure on Nelson Street but not necessarily be better for bus users. Unless I’m missing something, this is the only map that has been shared, and it’s vague to the point of useless: www.yourvoice.westyorks-ca.gov.uk/bradfordcentre-newbushubs
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 16, 2024 9:08:27 GMT 1
It will be interested to see what happens, for example the bottom of Bolton Road will have a long bus stand created, which almost seems designed for the 640/641 or maybe the 686/687 Fagley section, 612/613/614 Shipley section to terminate there www.future-bradford.co.uk/cheapside-and-lower-kirkgate-2/The end of Kirkgate up at the top of town will have a bus stand, maybe this might be where the 607 will go from. The 636/637 will also need somewhere new to go from as Broadway will no longer be available www.future-bradford.co.uk/godwin-street-sunbridge-road-kirkgate-and-westgate-2/I’m thinking maybe all of Bradford’s cross city services should be cut into two. I could only imagine the 617/618 & 620 having cross city traffic due to the Infirmary, the other links to me just seemed like operational convenience. I doubt many people are going from Wyke to Fagley or Wibsey to Greengates
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Post by martinsfp on Feb 16, 2024 9:35:47 GMT 1
I assume we’ll have to see some swift bus service change registrations, whatever happens!
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Post by sharksmith on Feb 16, 2024 10:22:35 GMT 1
Looking at the various maps available there I think the plans have been set up with the current network in place in the main. I think you have to be careful when splitting cross city routes, many of which have been in place for many years now, on a whim. Many people may have made place of residence/employment/education choices based on these, you've only got to look at the unrest the small changes in Huddersfield are causing at the moment.
Assuming that those three new stops on Kirkgate are direct replacements for the two stops on Broadway, that leaves a third stop for drop off for the 617/618 & 620 before they travel down the new bus lane on Godwin Street to head to the Interchange. I'm kind of thinking that the Transdev routes might use the new stop on Godwin St although they have been talking about rerouting their services away from this area anyway.
This then leaves space within the new Vicar Lane/Well St bus hubs to retain cross city 613/14, 640/641 & 645 northbound routes with these using the two new hubs on Hall Ings when heading towards Buttershaw before turning up George St to head onwards towards Croft St to head back out of the city.
Of the city centre termini I think that just leaves the 608 & 612 without a home although there are way more stops and layover bays around the Cheapside and Bolton Rd area to more than accomodate these. I can't really see the need for all of these stops unless the plan is to remove some of the Northern routes from the Interchange, maybe the 622/626/662/680 may terminate in this area and perform a loop using Cheapside, Lower Kirkgate and possibly Canal Rd & Hamm Strasse to turn around.
The other bit which confuses me a little is that the plans for John Street show it becoming a 'major public transport route'. Maybe that's how routes from the Interchange, which currently use Market St to escape (A2,656,660,671,686.687) will now leave the city?
None of this of course allows for the Interchange to be closed for any extended period, maybe they have firmed up their plans for the temporary bus station which they said they were working on.
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Post by martinsfp on Feb 16, 2024 14:04:12 GMT 1
maybe the 622/626/662/680 may terminate in this area and perform a loop using Cheapside, Lower Kirkgate and possibly Canal Rd & Hamm Strasse to turn around. Yes, I assume the plan is for services to terminate as close to their present route as possible on the edge of the city centre, so these termini would make sense for these services, although major inter-urban services like the 662 not serving the interchange (if it was open) seems like a massive downgrade in service.
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Post by rikki85 on Feb 16, 2024 14:37:48 GMT 1
maybe the 622/626/662/680 may terminate in this area and perform a loop using Cheapside, Lower Kirkgate and possibly Canal Rd & Hamm Strasse to turn around. Yes, I assume the plan is for services to terminate as close to their present route as possible on the edge of the city centre, so these termini would make sense for these services, although major inter-urban services like the 662 not serving the interchange (if it was open) seems like a massive downgrade in service. From my understanding, those services would go down Cheapside and Well Street, Vicar Lane to the interchange as would services from Bolton, Barkerend go via Well Street. Services from the Thornton side would use Kirkgate and Godwin Street. There are to be a couple of stops outside John Street Market and a larger group of bus stops at the ottom of Cheapside and Well Street.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 14:43:23 GMT 1
It will be interested to see what happens, for example the bottom of Bolton Road will have a long bus stand created, which almost seems designed for the 640/641 or maybe the 686/687 Fagley section, 612/613/614 Shipley section to terminate there www.future-bradford.co.uk/cheapside-and-lower-kirkgate-2/The end of Kirkgate up at the top of town will have a bus stand, maybe this might be where the 607 will go from. The 636/637 will also need somewhere new to go from as Broadway will no longer be available www.future-bradford.co.uk/godwin-street-sunbridge-road-kirkgate-and-westgate-2/I’m thinking maybe all of Bradford’s cross city services should be cut into two. I could only imagine the 617/618 & 620 having cross city traffic due to the Infirmary, the other links to me just seemed like operational convenience. I doubt many people are going from Wyke to Fagley or Wibsey to Greengates The long bus stops at Bolton Road have confused me to be honest, as I thought the point of reopening Well Street & the changes at the bottom of Vicar Lane was allow to buses from that direction to go upto the Interchange & allow 613/4 & 640/1 to continue operating cross-city. www.future-bradford.co.uk/Well-Street-and-Vicar-Lane-2/
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Post by rikki85 on Feb 16, 2024 14:57:11 GMT 1
[/quote]The long bus stops at Bolton Road have confused me to be honest, as I thought the point of reopening Well Street & the changes at the bottom of Vicar Lane was allow to buses from that direction to go upto the Interchange & allow 613/4 & 640/1 to continue operating cross-city. www.future-bradford.co.uk/Well-Street-and-Vicar-Lane-2/[/quote] That is the plan, all this talk of splitting services is in my opinion, froth. There are stops being created on Cheapside, Well Street and Vicar Lane for all the services on that side of the city and indeed those to Leeds to use. From the other side, services will use Kirkgate, Godwin Street and Princes Way. Hall-ings will be completely closed.
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Post by deerfold on Feb 16, 2024 15:04:18 GMT 1
That doesn't seem to be a valid link.
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Post by martinsfp on Feb 16, 2024 15:55:33 GMT 1
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 16, 2024 22:09:41 GMT 1
The Committee meeting green lighted for this to start but Metro and all operators are to pull together with accessibility to ensure passengers can still get to buses but hopefully they'll be an update on the interchange due that week to the committee but it was stated in said meeting that they are also looking at locations with Bradford Council to build a temporary station which to me indicates that the interchange bus station will be shut long term.
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Post by sharksmith on Feb 27, 2024 10:47:44 GMT 1
I notice that the original article has now been removed without any replacement I can see in the bus alerts section.
Maybe someone has woken up and said 'ooh, hang on a minute!'
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 7, 2024 18:57:51 GMT 1
There has been information about the "hubs" and road closures/re-designations, but nothing about route changes or what services will call at each hub. Similar to the changes in Halifax, operators were hoping to coincide timetable changes with route changes?
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Post by Burnside on Mar 9, 2024 20:30:49 GMT 1
On Keighley Bus Company's website, the article relating to service changes in March originally stated that as well as amended times on theSHUTTLE and the 67, there would be changes to stops served. This has been edited to just say that times will be amended so presumably the Interchange closure is putting the kibosh on the reroutings for now?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 20, 2024 13:27:38 GMT 1
Almost all of the "TV screens" at the city centre bus stops have been removed.
Presumably, these will be reinstalled at their new locations, but it's not very helpful as the timetable cases aren't always accurate due to route changes and/or recent timetable changes even if the buses are on time or indeed running on the day...
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 20, 2024 16:14:30 GMT 1
Almost all of the "TV screens" at the city centre bus stops have been removed. Presumably, these will be reinstalled at their new locations, but it's not very helpful as the timetable cases aren't always accurate due to route changes and/or recent timetable changes even if the buses are on time or indeed running on the day... The "TV screens" seem to have returned. So I'm assuming that the road alterations are still going ahead but delayed. Statutory notices have gone up, so it will have to be after 7 April.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 21, 2024 15:19:18 GMT 1
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