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Post by pjb on Mar 21, 2024 21:37:52 GMT 1
Almost all of the "TV screens" at the city centre bus stops have been removed. Presumably, these will be reinstalled at their new locations, but it's not very helpful as the timetable cases aren't always accurate due to route changes and/or recent timetable changes even if the buses are on time or indeed running on the day... The "TV screens" seem to have returned. So I'm assuming that the road alterations are still going ahead but delayed. Statutory notices have gone up, so it will have to be after 7 April. The H12 bus stop for the terminus of 607 on Broadway hasnt had a screen or even a roof since it was fire damaged by the bus fire 6 months ago. Presume it will now stay like that until the bus changes. Really poor for passengers considering the Interchange is still shut (and no plan of action yet outlined) and is more heavily used.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 27, 2024 13:32:40 GMT 1
Details now added to service changes page although it leaves more questions than answers.
That's an awful lot of services using very few stops on Nelson St, Bridge St, Vicar Lane and Hall Ings! Eight from N1, Seven from N2, Fourteen from B1, Eight from H11 & Ten from Vicar Lane Z. Some of these also include some of Bradford's highest frequency services leaving from the same stop.
Also what is the point of saying 'your bus will go from this stop' without providing a map showing where the new stops are, especially as most of them don't appear on the existing map available on the website.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 28, 2024 11:40:35 GMT 1
At least they've added a map now, that H11 stop is way too small for the amount of services they want to stop there though.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 28, 2024 12:51:27 GMT 1
Well, I suppose we have a map now.
A few comments.
Bus stop numbering: There appears to be several bus stops marked A or B, as opposed to the current convention, eg, B1.
The loop via the top of Ivegate (Kirkgate), as shown on the original plan, is no longer a bus route, and buses run straight down Godwin Street.
There's still a bit of guesswork about what route some buses are going to use.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 28, 2024 14:19:22 GMT 1
Well, I suppose we have a map now. A few comments. Bus stop numbering: There appears to be several bus stops marked A or B, as opposed to the current convention, eg, B1. The loop via the top of Ivegate (Kirkgate), as shown on the original plan, is no longer a bus route, and buses run straight down Godwin Street. There's still a bit of guesswork about what route some buses are going to use. I asked about this and was told the letters represent the streets they're on and won't be changing. I pointed out that's not what the new map shows and they sent me a DM saying "All information will be posted on our website as it is provided" which doesn't tell me if the map is wrong or will be changing. I've also asked if there will be information about where buses will stop on their way into the City and how this is an improvement. I don't know if they'll be answered, but they've been there for a while, now.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 28, 2024 14:37:47 GMT 1
Strange also why Centenary Square has been labelled as an Interchange Location when no bus or train will be anywhere near here after these changes.
It all just seems to have been rushed through and gives very little confidence that anything has been planned, more just thrown together as an afterthought.
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Post by martinsfp on Mar 28, 2024 15:04:41 GMT 1
Strange also why Centenary Square has been labelled as an Interchange Location when no bus or train will be anywhere near here after these changes. It all just seems to have been rushed through and gives very little confidence that anything has been planned, more just thrown together as an afterthought. Also, one of the main stated points of this new layout was to have buses terminate on the edge of the city centre to speed up journey times, and instead, most run across the city centre, just via different routes.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 29, 2024 9:48:42 GMT 1
Strange also why Centenary Square has been labelled as an Interchange Location when no bus or train will be anywhere near here after these changes. It all just seems to have been rushed through and gives very little confidence that anything has been planned, more just thrown together as an afterthought. Presumably other buses that run that side of the city centre will serve those new stops in due course I’m not a fan of this practice that they started in Leeds where instead of unique bus stop letters, they are duplicated across different parts of the city. It seems unnecessary, someone has obviously decided that people can’t cope with two character codes. As others have said Nelson Street is already chaotic, so will only get worse when loads more services use this street, and Hall Ings H11 now has numerous high frequency services using a small lay-by Bridge Street B1 will be unpopular, all the negative of having to walk up the hill to the Interchange, but with none of the benefit of actually being inside the Interchange. Presumably buses like the 72 & X6 will run in a loop Leeds Road, Hall Ings, Drake Street, Bridge Street, Vicar Lane, Leeds Road To be honest I think this whole scheme will be unpopular and won’t increase the attractiveness of Bradford like the council think it will. I don’t think anyone has ever said they don’t like Bradford because there are buses running along Market Street.
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Post by northerner on Mar 29, 2024 21:48:37 GMT 1
There's also the issue of buses laying over, if stops like B1 have limited space having multiple buses parked there is going to make boarding difficult and has the potential to disrupt the flow of traffic.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 1, 2024 1:54:17 GMT 1
LOCAL BUSES
606 from Nelson St to Euroway via Mayo Av 607/615/616 from Nelson St via Prince's Way & Thornton Road (all services) 612/613/614/640/641/645 towards Shipley/Eccleshill via Senior Wy, Vicar Ln & Well St 613/614 towards Gt Horton via Vicar Ln, Nelson St, Hall Ings & Senior Wy 617/618/620/621 via Godwin St, Prince's Wy & Nelson St (both directions) 622/626/680 Bridge St top via Vicar Ln, Well St, Cheapside, Manor Row & Manningham Pk 633 Bridge St top (.B1) towards Tyersal 633 Vicar Ln towards Shipley via Well St 634/653/656/660 from Drake St (.D1) 635/643/644 (circular) towards Rooley Ln via Prince's Wy, John St & Vicar Ln 636/637 Hall Ings .H11 via Prince's Wy 640/641/645 towards Buttershaw via H11 671/686/687 towards Undercliffe via Vicar Ln & Well St (does not serve Nelson St) 671 to West Bowling from Nelson St N2
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 1, 2024 2:11:26 GMT 1
INTER-URBAN ROUTES
67 towards Denholme from Nelson St * 72 & X6 towards Leeds from .B1 via Vicar Ln 363/X63 towards Huddersfield from .H11 576 towards Halifax from Nelson St 662/864/A3 from .B1 via Cheapside 681/682 towards Halifax from .H11 686/687/688 towards Wyke from .H11. ● Note that services continuing to Fagley stop at Vicar Ln (not Nelson St) A2 from .B1 via Well St X11 towards Pudsey from .B1 via Well St.
* No route details
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 1, 2024 8:48:20 GMT 1
607/615/616 from Nelson St via Prince's Way & Thornton Road 607 should be Via Prince’s Way, Godwin Street and Sunbridge Road unless there has been a major change of route, surely?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 1, 2024 9:40:10 GMT 1
I wonder which way services like the 576, 640/641 will go when Little Horton Lane closes
As you can’t turn right from Manchester Road outbound to Senior Way
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 1, 2024 12:09:23 GMT 1
I wonder which way services like the 576, 640/641 will go when Little Horton Lane closes As you can’t turn right from Manchester Road outbound to Senior Way Well, that's the route. Roads in the area will differ substantially from the current layout, as happened in the last major change in the 1960s With there being no right turn from Prince's Way into Little Horton Lane, the general traffic will need a right-hand turn here to get to Great Horton, etc.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 1, 2024 12:10:53 GMT 1
607/615/616 from Nelson St via Prince's Way & Thornton Road 607 should be Via Prince’s Way, Godwin Street, and Sunbridge Road unless there has been a major change of route, surely? I know. They've probably decided to abandon the route following the nightmare inbound routing via Barry Street. Get in touch with First.
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 1, 2024 13:06:36 GMT 1
607 should be Via Prince’s Way, Godwin Street, and Sunbridge Road unless there has been a major change of route, surely? I know. They've probably decided to abandon the route following the nightmare inbound routing via Barry Street. Get in touch with First. If so, the 607 is back to the 1980s route out of the city from when I was a little kid. It would be a shame for City Road to lose service though.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 1, 2024 13:28:28 GMT 1
I wonder which way services like the 576, 640/641 will go when Little Horton Lane closes As you can’t turn right from Manchester Road outbound to Senior Way Well, that's the route. Roads in the area will differ substantially from the current layout, as happened in the last major change in the 1960s With there being no right turn from Prince's Way into Little Horton Lane, the general traffic will need a right-hand turn here to get to Great Horton, etc. The works at the junction of Manchester Road/Senior Way/Croft Street have recently finished and there is still no right turn onto Senior Way www.future-bradford.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/240321-TCF-Bradford-City-Centre-Maps-D-scaled.jpgI presume the route will be Nelson Street, left onto Hall Ings, left onto Manchester Road, left onto Croft Street, right onto Nelson Street, right onto Croft Street and then straight ahead onto Senior Way, which would be pretty ludicrous.
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Post by Burnside on Apr 1, 2024 16:32:26 GMT 1
Metro's information is, as usual, incomplete and leaving more questions than answers.
For example, my mum (who can't walk far) uses the 612-614 to get to/from The Broadway. She can currently catch the bus home from Market Street.
Metro say she will have to walk instead to Vicar Lane (she doesn't know where that is) and don't mention if there are any other stops she'll be able to use. And this is just TWO WEEKS before massive changes take place!!! (And this is the same Metro who want to take control of all bus services in West Yorkshire! I wouldn't trust them to run a bath, let alone an entire county's bus network!)
Secondly, the 67 to Denholme will start from Nelson Street N2, along with the 607, 613 & 614 towrds Buttershaw, 617/618 towards Allerton, 620/621 towards Haworth Road AND 671 towards West Bowling, which, by my reckoning totals 16 buses an hour (Mon-Sat daytime)! Add on the fact there will also be a stop N1 on the same side of Nelson Street served by the 268, 283/283A, 425, 576, 615/616/619 (Total 15 buses per hour) plus the odd 256 and 263, Nelson Street just in one direction is going to be clogged up by over 30 buses per hour!!!
How on earth is Nelson Street supposed to handle this amount of departures, plus layovers???
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 1, 2024 18:42:11 GMT 1
I wonder which way services like the 576, 640/641 will go when Little Horton Lane closes As you can’t turn right from Manchester Road outbound to Senior Way Well, there's a brown tourist sign pointing right from Manchester Road onto Senior Way. I wouldn't take too much notice of the maps as some don't even show the top of Hall Ings/Nelson Street as a bus route!!
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 1, 2024 19:59:36 GMT 1
I wonder which way services like the 576, 640/641 will go when Little Horton Lane closes As you can’t turn right from Manchester Road outbound to Senior Way Assuming there's no changes, left onto Croft Street then right & right again at Nelson Street junction then back up Croft Street onto Senior way using it almost as a roundabout would be possible, but a pain at peak times with the amount of traffic lights they'd have to sit through
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 1, 2024 22:28:46 GMT 1
Metro's information is, as usual, incomplete and leaving more questions than answers. For example, my mum (who can't walk far) uses the 612-614 to get to/from The Broadway. She can currently catch the bus home from Market Street. Metro say she will have to walk instead to Vicar Lane (she doesn't know where that is) and don't mention if there are any other stops she'll be able to use. And this is just TWO WEEKS before massive changes take place!!! (And this is the same Metro who want to take control of all bus services in West Yorkshire! I wouldn't trust them to run a bath, let alone an entire county's bus network!) Well, the answer is to catch it on Well Street, the road that runs behind The Broadway. (Information supplied by First.) Stop U is actually slightly nearer than Market St. The 612 will drop off on Well St, whereas the 613 & 614 will drop off at the stop outside St. Peter's House, the old post office building If that's any help?
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Post by Burnside on Apr 2, 2024 11:55:33 GMT 1
Thanks for that.
Is it confirmed that it'll be stopping at Well Street as Metro couldn't/wouldn't say when I asked them?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 4, 2024 20:42:25 GMT 1
The new timetables for First Bradford services are now on BusTimes so it can be ascertained what services are using the new stops that Metro haven't listed
Little Germany U (on Well Street)- 612, 613, 614, 622, 626, 633, 640, 641, 645, 671, 680, 686, 687, X11 Little Germany V (on Well Street)- 612, 622, 626, 640, 641, 645, 671, 680, 686, 687, X11 Little Germany X (on Leeds Road) - 72 Little Germany Y (on Vicar Lane) - 613, 614, 640, 641, 645, 671, 686, 687 Little Germany Z (on Vicar Lane) - 612, 613, 614, 622, 626, 633, 640, 641, 645, 671, 680, 686, 687, 72, X6
Cathedral S (on Forster Sq) - 612, 613, 614, 622, 626, 633, 645, 660, 671, 680, 686, 687, X11 Cathedral T (on Church Bank) - 645, 671, 686, 687, X11
City Park A (on Princes Way) - 607, 615, 616, 617, 618, 619, 620, 621, 636, 637 City Park B (on Princes Way) - 607, 615, 616, 617, 618, 619, 620, 621
Another funny routing I've noted is for the 612/613/614. There is no right turn from Lower Kirkgate into Canal Road, so buses Shipley outbound will have to turn right onto Bolton Road, left into Balme Street and then right into Canal Road, unable to serve the existing stop at the end of Canal Road (which will now be Cathedral O). Buses inbound don't have this issue and will continue to be able to serve the stop at the opposite side of the road (Cathedral P)
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 4, 2024 20:56:27 GMT 1
Also, Bustimes confirms that 607 is rerouted via Thornton Road instead of City Road. Wow.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 5, 2024 1:23:01 GMT 1
Also, Bustimes confirms that 607 is rerouted via Thornton Road instead of City Road. Wow. Yes, I mentioned earlier. Other changes to First routes of note: 630 and 633 are merged into just the one daytime route 633 and will use the same routing in both directions, so towards Tyersal direct between Bridge St & Wakefield Rd, and towards Shipley along Cheapside & Manor Row (Westgate is no longer served) The 686/687 journeys from Wyke terminate at Nelson St, but journeys operating through to Fagley don't stop until Vicar Ln.
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