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Post by shelf81 on Apr 11, 2024 23:09:54 GMT 1
For the 613/614, 640/641, 645, 686/687 etc, when they go up Vicar Lane, can they even turn right straight into Croft street? Either they can’t and they will be looping around in circles, or all these new right turns that are allegedly being introduced are going to impede the flow of traffic At the moment they can't use Vicar Lane all the way to Croft Street like the maps show, as the short section between Croft Street & Bridge Street crossroads is one way in the opposite direction plus without any traffic lights when it meets Croft Street, unless they've done work to the area since I pasted a few weeks ago. The only real option unless work is completed is to turn left onto Bridge Street then around Croft Street Gyratory. |
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Post by pricel on Apr 11, 2024 23:24:50 GMT 1
One of WYCA's criticisms were commonly spoken about when the plans for "City of Culture" were made public on Your Voice. Tonnes of people consulted and replied "how much of a waste it is to add benches to Interchange entrance and instead it should receive a new bus station." To be fair I agree with them, the bus station was getting quite old. It didn't seem to satisfy customer even more when it was announced Hall Ings Car Park were going to be demolished for a "green park", then everyone started saying build a new bus station there! One of the issues about moving the bus station is what do you do over the railway, do you move only the bus station losing the best interchange & the only integrated one in the county or do you move/extend the railway as well with added costs & time getting Network Rail & the TOCs to agree to it. To be fair I don't really think that would matter as the railway station is being planned on being moved from Bradford Interchange in 2030, to a new sight combining both Wharfe/Airedale lines and Calder Valley lines. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 11, 2024 23:32:11 GMT 1
For the 613/614, 640/641, 645, 686/687 etc, when they go up Vicar Lane, can they even turn right straight into Croft street? Either they can’t and they will be looping around in circles, or all these new right turns that are allegedly being introduced are going to impede the flow of traffic At the moment they can't use Vicar Lane all the way to Croft Street like the maps show, as the short section between Croft Street & Bridge Street crossroads is one way in the opposite direction plus without any traffic lights when it meets Croft Street, unless they've done work to the area since I pasted a few weeks ago. The only real option unless work is completed is to turn left onto Bridge Street then around Croft Street Gyratory. I pass through there most days and I can’t see any change, I’m not sure that gyratory at the bottom of Wakefield Road is designed for large numbers of large vehicles to be doing almost U turns. I’m expecting to see complete gridlock next week |
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 11, 2024 23:35:50 GMT 1
One of the issues about moving the bus station is what do you do over the railway, do you move only the bus station losing the best interchange & the only integrated one in the county or do you move/extend the railway as well with added costs & time getting Network Rail & the TOCs to agree to it. To be fair I don't really think that would matter as the railway station is being planned on being moved from Bradford Interchange in 2030, to a new sight combining both Wharfe/Airedale lines and Calder Valley lines. Where have you heard that? The only rail development for Bradford that have been confirmed is the new Platform for Forster Square, plus the St James NPR Station for 'NPR' services, with the Interchange still being used for local trains from Leeds & Halifax (& beyond), but there's never been any proper plans for a Bradford 'Crossrail' type station. |
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 11, 2024 23:45:51 GMT 1
At the moment they can't use Vicar Lane all the way to Croft Street like the maps show, as the short section between Croft Street & Bridge Street crossroads is one way in the opposite direction plus without any traffic lights when it meets Croft Street, unless they've done work to the area since I pasted a few weeks ago. The only real option unless work is completed is to turn left onto Bridge Street then around Croft Street Gyratory. I pass through there most days and I can’t see any change, I’m not sure that gyratory at the bottom of Wakefield Road is designed for large numbers of large vehicles to be doing almost U turns. I’m expecting to see complete gridlock next week Would they have to use Wakefield Road? I thought it would be possible for them to stay on Croft Street  I'm expecting the same as you, thinking about it for the cross city services until the Interchange reopened they might of been better off going from Wells Street onto Leeds Road serving 'Little Germany W' then onto Shipley Airedale Road to get to Croft Street. |
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Post by pricel on Apr 12, 2024 0:36:33 GMT 1
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 12, 2024 0:57:01 GMT 1
That's all for the St James NPR Station I already mentioned with it not affecting the Wharfe/Airedale lines to Forster Square. You suggested there was a new station combining the them 2 lines & the Calder Valley Lines hence why I asked. |
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Post by WYBS on Apr 12, 2024 9:34:07 GMT 1
I've not seen any plans to link the Interchange and Forster Square. This would be a project costing hundreds of millions of pounds (at least), and would be major news.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 12, 2024 11:40:38 GMT 1
Showing how last minute this all is, they’ve now announced two further changes The Broadway centre will now be partially open out of hours between Sainsburys and the former Debenhams to allow access to the Well Street stops National Express and Flixbus coach services will be relocated, and will now stop at a new location further away from the city centre on Nelson Street opposite the Police Station wymetro.com/plan-a-journey/travel-news/bus-travel-alerts/bradford-bus-move-coach-services/You can only imagine the conversations that are going on, First probably saying to Metro, how can 50 buses an hour load up on Nelson Street when there are National Express coaches parked up? |
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Post by pjb on Apr 12, 2024 15:14:39 GMT 1
“One of the issues about moving the bus station is what do you do over the railway, do you move only the bus station losing the best interchange & the only integrated one in the county or do you move/extend the railway as well with added costs & time getting Network Rail & the TOCs to agree to it.”
Despite what some commented on the survey the Interchange is one of the best Interchanges in the country, between bus and rail and was near enough the city centre to also be walkable. The new entrance wasn’t just a few benches it’s a whole new frontage, sadly the CGI images never really showed off the new entrance well in the proposal, certainly not the entrance door area.
Any move of the bus station away from that site reduces the integrated transport Interchnage and is generally further from town. I’d rather have some new benches and an entrance to the existing site than a new bus station far away from anything.
The St James proposed station is too far out of town for rail and wouldn’t have any link to forster square station.
Travel patterns have evolved over the last 40 years which people getting buses to get trains from the interchange to the likes of Manchester and York, and commuters still need to do this.
So in my view the only solution is to rebuild or repair the bus station on its existing site.
The railway will be at Interchange for a long time. Note that the construction of a simple 2 platform station at white rose has stopped because of costs. If a simple platform can’t be built on an existing line how anybody can expect an entire new line and station to Bradford to be built in the next decade is likely being rather unrealistic.
We actually need our Interchange..
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 12, 2024 15:40:40 GMT 1
“One of the issues about moving the bus station is what do you do over the railway, do you move only the bus station losing the best interchange & the only integrated one in the county or do you move/extend the railway as well with added costs & time getting Network Rail & the TOCs to agree to it.” Despite what some commented on the survey the Interchange is one of the best Interchanges in the country, between bus and rail and was near enough the city centre to also be walkable. The new entrance wasn’t just a few benches it’s a whole new frontage, sadly the CGI images never really showed off the new entrance well in the proposal, certainly not the entrance door area. Any move of the bus station away from that site reduces the integrated transport Interchnage and is generally further from town. I’d rather have some new benches and an entrance to the existing site than a new bus station far away from anything. The St James proposed station is too far out of town for rail and wouldn’t have any link to forster square station. Travel patterns have evolved over the last 40 years which people getting buses to get trains from the interchange to the likes of Manchester and York, and commuters still need to do this. So in my view the only solution is to rebuild or repair the bus station on its existing site. The railway will be at Interchange for a long time. Note that the construction of a simple 2 platform station at white rose has stopped because of costs. If a simple platform can’t be built on an existing line how anybody can expect an entire new line and station to Bradford to be built in the next decade is likely being rather unrealistic. We actually need our Interchange.. Your completely correct with all of this, even with St James if it opens it was always planned to keep the Interchange for Northern & Grand Central services, with St James taking the new NPR services although they are likely just to be merged into the TPE franchise since the NPR/TRU merger. |
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Post by deerfold on Apr 12, 2024 16:01:06 GMT 1
Note that the construction of a simple 2 platform station at white rose has stopped because of costs. Have you seen something we haven't? |
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Post by sharksmith on Apr 12, 2024 16:34:06 GMT 1
This was reported in the Yorkshire Post three weeks ago.
'Workers at the White Rose railway station project on Elland Road, south of Leeds downed tools last week, while a timescale on work re-commencing remains unknown.
A joint statement to The Yorkshire Post on behalf of the West Yorkshire Combined Authority, Network Rail, developers Munroe K and principal contractors Spencer Group, describes “a temporary pause” in construction of the new station, but provides no indication of how long the pause may last.
“This decision comes in light of an unforeseen increase in project costs, prompting a thorough evaluation of future funding sources to ensure the project's successful completion,” they said late yesterday.'
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 12, 2024 19:22:17 GMT 1
** UPDATE ** The following stops will be unavailable from the Sunday 14 April: • Little Germany X (Leeds Road) • Little Germany W (Leeds Road) • Cathedral N (Church Bank) This is due to these sites being inaccessible due to ongoing works. wymetro.com/bradfordbusmove |
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 13, 2024 8:51:10 GMT 1
This is a quite useful collection of all the new routes but it seems to suggest buses to/from Westgate will run via the tiny, narrow Sackville Street in both directions, which is obviously wrong. wymetro.com/media/4gmpnumg/br9f97-1.pdf |
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Post by jdodger08 on Apr 13, 2024 12:24:07 GMT 1
I think who ever drew over the Google map showing the routes has drawn over Sackville Street in error. They're obviously not a local to Bradford.
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Post by pjb on Apr 13, 2024 13:04:50 GMT 1
So with 2 days to go there’s still scant info about which bus stops each service observes once it’s set off even though we now know the routes.
Does anyone else think new stop Sunbridge road D is an accident waiting to happen? It’s hidden from view from Godwin street northbound traffic by the old Sunwin house building. I foresee traffic setting off from lights on Godwin street on green at the junction and turning sharp left and straight into the back of a loading bus due to the poor sighting.
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 13, 2024 13:14:28 GMT 1
So with 2 days to go there’s still scant info about which bus stops each service observes once it’s set off even though we now know the routes. The stops for each route are in the PDF I inked to a couple of posts above, although you have scroll back up to the stop map to see where each one is as they’ve not marked them on each route map. |
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Post by pjb on Apr 13, 2024 13:57:22 GMT 1
So with 2 days to go there’s still scant info about which bus stops each service observes once it’s set off even though we now know the routes. The stops for each route are in the PDF I inked to a couple of posts above, although you have scroll back up to the stop map to see where each one is as they’ve not marked them on each route map. I want to know where the 67 stops inbound and outbound after city park. Will it be non stop grattan road to city park inbound via Barry street and Westgate? It calls at the temp bus stop at sun pub now which I presume will be removed? Outbound will it use any of the new bus stops on sunbridge road or go straight from city park to Grattan road again, which is considerable distance? |
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 13, 2024 15:03:09 GMT 1
The stops for each route are in the PDF I inked to a couple of posts above, although you have scroll back up to the stop map to see where each one is as they’ve not marked them on each route map. I want to know where the 67 stops inbound and outbound after city park. Will it be non stop grattan road to city park inbound via Barry street and Westgate? It calls at the temp bus stop at sun pub now which I presume will be removed? Outbound will it use any of the new bus stops on sunbridge road or go straight from city park to Grattan road again, which is considerable distance? Stops opposite Fulton St stop S8 on the way to Denholme, but no stop shown on way into Bradford! |
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Post by deerfold on Apr 13, 2024 16:01:38 GMT 1
The stops for each route are in the PDF I inked to a couple of posts above, although you have scroll back up to the stop map to see where each one is as they’ve not marked them on each route map. I want to know where the 67 stops inbound and outbound after city park. Will it be non stop grattan road to city park inbound via Barry street and Westgate? It calls at the temp bus stop at sun pub now which I presume will be removed? Outbound will it use any of the new bus stops on sunbridge road or go straight from city park to Grattan road again, which is considerable distance? After several days of questions, Metro replied with this: x.com/MetroTravelNews/status/1777731788770615423 |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 13, 2024 17:13:09 GMT 1
The stops for each route are in the PDF I inked to a couple of posts above, although you have scroll back up to the stop map to see where each one is as they’ve not marked them on each route map. I want to know where the 67 stops inbound and outbound after city park. Will it be non stop grattan road to city park inbound via Barry street and Westgate? It calls at the temp bus stop at sun pub now which I presume will be removed? Outbound will it use any of the new bus stops on sunbridge road or go straight from city park to Grattan road again, which is considerable distance? There is information on the Keighley Bus website www.transdevbus.co.uk/the-keighley-bus-company/news/changes-to-routes-stops-in-bradford-city-centre/I think for most people, on day 1 it’ll be frantic ringing of the bell, and then by day 2 they’ll realise where the buses are stopping now |
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 13, 2024 17:54:31 GMT 1
Well, that's all right for the shuttle, but another rubbish nonsense for the 67. Again, information about the stops near town (though doubtful whether the City Park stops will be operational this month). BUT AGAIN, no information about routing to/from town!! |
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 13, 2024 18:12:35 GMT 1
Well, that's all right for the shuttle, but another rubbish nonsense for the 67. Again, information about the stops near town (though doubtful whether the City Park stops will be operational this month). BUT AGAIN, no information about routing to/from town!! Both the map on the Metro site & Bustimes.org seem to say that going towards Nelson Street the 67 will stop at Wigan Street stop on Sunbridge Road then non-stop to Citypark, whilst towards Keighley will stop at Citypark then S8 Sunbridge Road like currently. I'm guessing due to being at the opposite side of the traffic lights that's why S8 isn't included in the Goitside set of stops. |
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Post by WYBS on Apr 13, 2024 19:11:17 GMT 1
This is a quite useful collection of all the new routes but it seems to suggest buses to/from Westgate will run via the tiny, narrow Sackville Street in both directions, which is obviously wrong. wymetro.com/media/4gmpnumg/br9f97-1.pdfLooks like they gave the work experience kid a crayon to draw the new routes. Very amateur. |
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