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Post by steve440 on Jan 15, 2024 12:41:07 GMT 1
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Post by pricel on Jan 15, 2024 13:13:52 GMT 1
Stagecoach will have a large catchment area in Greater Manchester then, with their network running as far west as Warrington and as far North East as Huddersfield.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 15, 2024 13:37:45 GMT 1
Seems a little odd for North and South Yorkshire to be included in the local authorities unless it's going on a very odd route.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 15, 2024 14:11:53 GMT 1
I hope for some decent improvements to the 184. I wonder if the old nexus move journeys could possibly be extended to Huddersfield, rather than Marsden.
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Post by michael1971 on Jan 15, 2024 15:36:34 GMT 1
I hope for some decent improvements to the 184. I wonder if the old nexus move journeys could possibly be extended to Huddersfield, rather than Marsden.
i hope it does the direct route on the Yorkshire side as it used to do out of Oldham depot
with the Nexus trips after it has done Marsden to Oldham it then does a short to Diggle
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 15:49:25 GMT 1
I hope for some decent improvements to the 184. I wonder if the old nexus move journeys could possibly be extended to Huddersfield, rather than Marsden. I Could see that happening if Stagecoach also take on the evening Huddersfield - Marsden short journeys to reduce the amount of dead running over the moors. There was a rumour saying they was looking at running a full hourly evening service along the whole route with only the current last bus (23:35) from Marsden to Huddersfield being dropped but nothing yet has been confirmed.
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Post by SF07 on Jan 15, 2024 18:50:50 GMT 1
My guess would be the routes in the Colne Valley will go back to how it was pre-April 2023, with the 183 re-introduced by First Huddersfield and probably run to a similar timetable as existing 184 between Huddersfield and Marsden Hard End, while the Bee Network 184 service will return to running direct via A62/Manchester Road, whilst maintaining its existing route in Greater Manchester.
In terms of evening journeys, TfGM/Bee Network did enhance some services from its Bolton/Wigan depots when it started in September 2023 with extra journeys and later journeys, so there is a possibility of a later journey to/from Marsden (I think the extension is due to no suitable turning point in Diggle for larger vehicles). One thing that the Bee Network is trying to do is improve connections with other services, so there may be a possibility that evening journeys on the 184 could be timed to connect with the 183 at Marsden to allow people to travel between Huddersfield and Saddleworth/Oldham.
There is Bee Network Committee meeting from GMCA next Thursday, so we get some more details later this week about the 184 changes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 20:32:33 GMT 1
My guess would be the routes in the Colne Valley will go back to how it was pre-April 2023, with the 183 re-introduced by First Huddersfield and probably run to a similar timetable as existing 184 between Huddersfield and Marsden Hard End, while the Bee Network 184 service will return to running direct via A62/Manchester Road, whilst maintaining its existing route in Greater Manchester. In terms of evening journeys, TfGM/Bee Network did enhance some services from its Bolton/Wigan depots when it started in September 2023 with extra journeys and later journeys, so there is a possibility of a later journey to/from Marsden ( I think the extension is due to no suitable turning point in Diggle for larger vehicles). One thing that the Bee Network is trying to do is improve connections with other services, so there may be a possibility that evening journeys on the 184 could be timed to connect with the 183 at Marsden to allow people to travel between Huddersfield and Saddleworth/Oldham. There is Bee Network Committee meeting from GMCA next Thursday, so we get some more details later this week about the 184 changes. Is the Diggle Turning circle at Lee Side no longer there? First used to operate 184 'shorts' to there using Eclipses/Geminis
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Post by michael1971 on Jan 15, 2024 21:34:21 GMT 1
My guess would be the routes in the Colne Valley will go back to how it was pre-April 2023, with the 183 re-introduced by First Huddersfield and probably run to a similar timetable as existing 184 between Huddersfield and Marsden Hard End, while the Bee Network 184 service will return to running direct via A62/Manchester Road, whilst maintaining its existing route in Greater Manchester. In terms of evening journeys, TfGM/Bee Network did enhance some services from its Bolton/Wigan depots when it started in September 2023 with extra journeys and later journeys, so there is a possibility of a later journey to/from Marsden ( I think the extension is due to no suitable turning point in Diggle for larger vehicles). One thing that the Bee Network is trying to do is improve connections with other services, so there may be a possibility that evening journeys on the 184 could be timed to connect with the 183 at Marsden to allow people to travel between Huddersfield and Saddleworth/Oldham. There is Bee Network Committee meeting from GMCA next Thursday, so we get some more details later this week about the 184 changes. Is the Diggle Turning circle at Lee Side no longer there? First used to operate 184 'shorts' to there using Eclipses/Geminis its locked out of use i am not sure double decks could use it now they would have to reverse at the Diggle Hotel the Nexus bus goes round some houses in Diggle to turn round
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 20, 2024 14:11:49 GMT 1
This does mean we shall see Stagecoach back in Huddersfield like we did in 2005-08 after they took over Yorkshire Traction.
The difference is it will now be as part of Bee Network rather than their own commercial operation.
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Post by michael1971 on Jan 20, 2024 19:58:18 GMT 1
This does mean we shall see Stagecoach back in Huddersfield like we did in 2005-08 after they took over Yorkshire Traction. The difference is it will now be as part of Bee Network rather than their own commercial operation. and this will catch people out in the Colne valley on the 184s route as all other routes are mainly first West Yorkshire and this will be a different firm
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Post by steve440 on Jan 20, 2024 20:09:24 GMT 1
This does mean we shall see Stagecoach back in Huddersfield like we did in 2005-08 after they took over Yorkshire Traction. The difference is it will now be as part of Bee Network rather than their own commercial operation. and this will catch people out in the Colne valley on the 184s route as all other routes are mainly first West Yorkshire and this will be a different firm Presumably metro daysaver tickets will be valid within West Yorkshire though
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 20, 2024 20:51:29 GMT 1
I'm considering whether the 84 journeys to Uppermill could be replaced by the 184 to Huddersfield, excluding journeys to Grotton. It has been suggested that journeys in general are more cost-effective under the bee network. Combining our authority and TfGM budgets could result in not only an enhanced service but also a more cost-effective one, providing significantly improved connections. Given the 30-minute frequency of the 84 to Uppermill, is a frequency, and increase in running hours, to the full length 184 possible? Considering First Group's questionable comments around the use of subsidy money, there may be potential for their services to be more sustainable than previously believed.
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Post by michael1971 on Jan 20, 2024 21:57:08 GMT 1
and this will catch people out in the Colne valley on the 184s route as all other routes are mainly first West Yorkshire and this will be a different firm Presumably metro daysaver tickets will be valid within West Yorkshire though yes those would be i
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 23:12:48 GMT 1
I'm considering whether the 84 journeys to Uppermill could be replaced by the 184 to Huddersfield, excluding journeys to Grotton. It has been suggested that journeys in general are more cost-effective under the bee network. Combining our authority and TfGM budgets could result in not only an enhanced service but also a more cost-effective one, providing significantly improved connections. Given the 30-minute frequency of the 84 to Uppermill, is a frequency, and increase in running hours, to the full length 184 possible? Considering First Group's questionable comments around the use of subsidy money, there may be potential for their services to be more sustainable than previously believed. Whilst a Half Hour frequency on 184 might be possible, I would be surprised if they merged it with the 84. There's the reliability issues with Manchester City Centre (84 can be anything upto 20 Mins late at peak times) plus with both the Saddleworth review & TGFM/Bee Networks desire for less duplication & better integration between bus & trams I would be also be surprised if the 84 continued in it's current form more than a few more years. The other option would be removing the Manchester link from Uppermill earlier than possibly expected & try to fast track tram integration from Oldham.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 20, 2024 23:56:12 GMT 1
I'm considering whether the 84 journeys to Uppermill could be replaced by the 184 to Huddersfield, excluding journeys to Grotton. It has been suggested that journeys in general are more cost-effective under the bee network. Combining our authority and TfGM budgets could result in not only an enhanced service but also a more cost-effective one, providing significantly improved connections. Given the 30-minute frequency of the 84 to Uppermill, is a frequency, and increase in running hours, to the full length 184 possible? Considering First Group's questionable comments around the use of subsidy money, there may be potential for their services to be more sustainable than previously believed. Whilst a Half Hour frequency on 184 might be possible, I would be surprised if they merged it with the 84. There's the reliability issues with Manchester City Centre (84 can be anything upto 20 Mins late at peak times) plus with both the Saddleworth review & TGFM/Bee Networks desire for less duplication & better integration between bus & trams I would be also be surprised if the 84 continued in it's current form more than a few more years. The other option would be removing the Manchester link from Uppermill earlier than possibly expected & try to fast track tram integration from Oldham. I do believe the final form route for the areas between the two towns is old 184, the one before the diversion to Linthwaite, despite my criticisms about the route a good few months ago. I definitely wouldn't expect it to run all the way from Manchester to Huddersfield, the reliability would be appalling. I think it would require merging to ever become a successful bus route. If we really think about it the 185, and 84 are just half routes of the 184, the cost of travelling between those two areas can't be significant
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2024 0:57:14 GMT 1
Whilst a Half Hour frequency on 184 might be possible, I would be surprised if they merged it with the 84. There's the reliability issues with Manchester City Centre (84 can be anything upto 20 Mins late at peak times) plus with both the Saddleworth review & TGFM/Bee Networks desire for less duplication & better integration between bus & trams I would be also be surprised if the 84 continued in it's current form more than a few more years. The other option would be removing the Manchester link from Uppermill earlier than possibly expected & try to fast track tram integration from Oldham. I do believe the final form route for the areas between the two towns is old 184, the one before the diversion to Linthwaite, despite my criticisms about the route a good few months ago. I definitely wouldn't expect it to run all the way from Manchester to Huddersfield, the reliability would be appalling. I think it would require merging to ever become a successful bus route. If we really think about it the 185, and 84 are just half routes of the 184, the cost of travelling between those two areas can't be significant I Agree about the Linthwaite diversion although I actually think the Hard End route was a positive step, serving more housing than down the A62. I Think until the integration is sorted you can't really remove Uppermills direct link with Manchester, there was a fair amount of complains when the peak time express got axed never mind the main daytime service. I Had thought of a possible set of changes to both areas to try & cover everything - Might post it in the canteen forum section.
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 22, 2024 23:09:18 GMT 1
My guess would be the routes in the Colne Valley will go back to how it was pre-April 2023, with the 183 re-introduced by First Huddersfield and probably run to a similar timetable as existing 184 between Huddersfield and Marsden Hard End, while the Bee Network 184 service will return to running direct via A62/Manchester Road, whilst maintaining its existing route in Greater Manchester. In terms of evening journeys, TfGM/Bee Network did enhance some services from its Bolton/Wigan depots when it started in September 2023 with extra journeys and later journeys, so there is a possibility of a later journey to/from Marsden (I think the extension is due to no suitable turning point in Diggle for larger vehicles). One thing that the Bee Network is trying to do is improve connections with other services, so there may be a possibility that evening journeys on the 184 could be timed to connect with the 183 at Marsden to allow people to travel between Huddersfield and Saddleworth/Oldham. There is Bee Network Committee meeting from GMCA next Thursday, so we get some more details later this week about the 184 changes. Is it guaranteed that First will re-introduce the 183, or is this just speculation/educated guesswork at the moment?. I ask respectfully, Thanks.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 23, 2024 9:12:57 GMT 1
My guess would be the routes in the Colne Valley will go back to how it was pre-April 2023, with the 183 re-introduced by First Huddersfield and probably run to a similar timetable as existing 184 between Huddersfield and Marsden Hard End, while the Bee Network 184 service will return to running direct via A62/Manchester Road, whilst maintaining its existing route in Greater Manchester. In terms of evening journeys, TfGM/Bee Network did enhance some services from its Bolton/Wigan depots when it started in September 2023 with extra journeys and later journeys, so there is a possibility of a later journey to/from Marsden (I think the extension is due to no suitable turning point in Diggle for larger vehicles). One thing that the Bee Network is trying to do is improve connections with other services, so there may be a possibility that evening journeys on the 184 could be timed to connect with the 183 at Marsden to allow people to travel between Huddersfield and Saddleworth/Oldham. There is Bee Network Committee meeting from GMCA next Thursday, so we get some more details later this week about the 184 changes. Is it guaranteed that First will re-introduce the 183, or is this just speculation/educated guesswork at the moment?. I ask respectfully, Thanks. Just speculation.
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Post by SF07 on Jan 30, 2024 19:48:14 GMT 1
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Post by steve440 on Jan 30, 2024 19:52:46 GMT 1
Already mentioned see first post.
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Post by SF07 on Feb 1, 2024 19:25:52 GMT 1
PB0001748/28 Registered KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Bradford Interchange to Keighley Bus Station Service number: 67 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 17 Mar 2024 Minor timetable amendments to improve punctuality and reliabilty. Route amendment as part of Bradford City Centre changes
PB0001748/18 Registered KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Keighley to Todmordon Service number: B3 (B1, B2) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 17 Mar 2024 Revised timetable
PB0001748/134 Registered KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Keighley Bus Station to Keighley Bus Station via Oakworth, Stanbury, Haworth, Oxenhope Service number: K14 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 17 Mar 2024 Sundays only
PB0001748/11 Registered KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Keighley Bus Station to Ilkley Service number: 62 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 17 Mar 2024 Revised timetable
PB0001748/13 Registered KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Keighley Bus Station to Leeds City Bus Station Service number: 60 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 17 Mar 2024 Revised timetable
PB0001748/150 Registered KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Bradford Interchange to Skipton via Ilkley Service number: 864 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 17 Mar 2024 Variation to route and timetable
PB0001748/136 Registered KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Keighley Bus Station to Keighley Bus Station via Oakworth, Stanbury, Haworth Service number: K16 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 17 Mar 2024 Monday to Saturday
PB0001748/135 Registered KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Keighley Bus Station to Keighley Bus Station via Haworth, Oxenhope, Hainworth Service number: K15 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 17 Mar 2024 Variation to timetable
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Post by dlspotter on Feb 1, 2024 21:43:22 GMT 1
I notice on there that the B3 is registered to Todmorden - did it previously go there after Hebden Bridge?
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Post by deerfold on Feb 1, 2024 21:51:43 GMT 1
I notice on there that the B3 is registered to Todmorden - did it previously go there after Hebden Bridge? Back when the 500 was split between First and Keighley Buses it ran to Hebden Bridge Station and then to Todmorden 3 times a day on the days it ran. On Saturdays there was a trip each way just to/from Hebden Brdge. Since it became hourly and just run by Keighley it hasn't.
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Post by pricel on Feb 2, 2024 8:24:57 GMT 1
I notice on there that the B3 is registered to Todmorden - did it previously go there after Hebden Bridge? Back when the 500 was split between First and Keighley Buses it ran to Hebden Bridge Station and then to Todmorden 3 times a day on the days it ran. On Saturdays there was a trip each way just to/from Hebden Brdge. Since it became hourly and just run by Keighley it hasn't. It's amazing how services that were pretty much infrequent have mostly been upscaled to 1 bus an hour. Services 502, 900/1 and B3 have all been successful with buses being very busy. Maybe Halifax to Oldham could be given a go with the right motivation and advertising to attract people.
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