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Post by SCH117X on May 31, 2023 21:03:17 GMT 1
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Post by Username on May 31, 2023 21:40:37 GMT 1
My guess is BYDs as it would be unusual to fit all these features on an Electroliner.
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Post by SCH117X on May 31, 2023 21:49:49 GMT 1
My guess is BYDs as it would be unusual to fit all these features on an Electroliner. Hopefully if for no other reason I hate glazed walled staircases
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Post by mattb7tl on May 31, 2023 23:05:50 GMT 1
I hope they look just as amazing as the Witchway/ZAP. The existing interior looks so dated. I hope they continue to do what they do best!
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jun 1, 2023 8:31:29 GMT 1
My guess is BYDs as it would be unusual to fit all these features on an Electroliner. Hopefully if for no other reason I hate glazed walled staircases Interior specification is largely down to what the customer wants and since most initial Electroliners have been for London you won't get all the high spec options, and Wright have a reputation for meeting high spec requests so there is no reason to believe they wouldn't do it if asked. BYDs have their own issues, there have been significant complaints about lower deck layout (particularly at the rear) which compromises leg-room which may be seen as an issue for a longer route like this. My bet would be Electroliners as they have the best quoted range currently (the all ADL Enviro 400EV - not the BYD one - is quoting a decent range as well but none have been built yet), they have just been noted as the most efficient electric model, so for a long interurban route they may well be the most suitable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 9:45:18 GMT 1
My guess is BYDs as it would be unusual to fit all these features on an Electroliner. More likely the new AD E400EV over the BYD, as the BYD has the worst range of any electric vehicle on the market with a range of around 150-60 Miles - Route 36 is approx. 55 Miles round trip, so on a good day you'd only get around 2 full round trips plus 1 'short round' to/from Harrogate whilst The new E400EV is quoted as upto 260 Miles.
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Post by Burnside on Jun 1, 2023 10:58:22 GMT 1
Would range necessarily be a big deciding factor if the equipment is installed at Harrogate Bus Station like for the Volvo's allowing a top up charge every time it's on a stand?
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Post by deerfold on Jun 1, 2023 11:06:34 GMT 1
Would range necessarily be a big deciding factor if the equipment is installed at Harrogate Bus Station like for the Volvo's allowing a top up charge every time it's on a stand? Depends how fast it charges and how long it sits there (especially if running late).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 11:33:30 GMT 1
Would range necessarily be a big deciding factor if the equipment is installed at Harrogate Bus Station like for the Volvo's allowing a top up charge every time it's on a stand? Would probably need one built in Leeds Bus Station as well, but the issue with pantographs is it deteriorates the battery quicker reducing the range so over time would need to take longer 'top up' charges. Less noticeable on town/city work where the routes are safely within range can become an issue on interurban longer distance work unless they add in enough layover time to cover both late running & charging (plus finding space in Harrogate Bus Station to do it)
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 1, 2023 12:00:29 GMT 1
Would range necessarily be a big deciding factor if the equipment is installed at Harrogate Bus Station like for the Volvo's allowing a top up charge every time it's on a stand? Would probably need one built in Leeds Bus Station as well, but the issue with pantographs is it deteriorates the battery quicker reducing the range so over time would need to take longer 'top up' charges. Less noticeable on town/city work where the routes are safely within range can become an issue on interurban longer distance work unless they add in enough layover time to cover both late running & charging (plus finding space in Harrogate Bus Station to do it) The funding bid allows for the Harrogate Bus Station and the depot to be upgraded as the bid was to convert Harrogate to electric only
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Post by Username on Jun 1, 2023 13:56:22 GMT 1
Would probably need one built in Leeds Bus Station as well, but the issue with pantographs is it deteriorates the battery quicker reducing the range so over time would need to take longer 'top up' charges. Less noticeable on town/city work where the routes are safely within range can become an issue on interurban longer distance work unless they add in enough layover time to cover both late running & charging (plus finding space in Harrogate Bus Station to do it) The funding bid allows for the Harrogate Bus Station and the depot to be upgraded as the bid was to convert Harrogate to electric only So even the 24 and 59 will be electric?
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Post by lucyp on Jun 1, 2023 13:57:37 GMT 1
Does it even matter what the bus is powered by when they cannot even run a bus?
17 posted cancellations on the 36 alone today, let alone the ones that are not posted. Re-charging won't be a problem when they run so few buses because of cancellations.
Are they actually introducing new buses given their apparent financial situation or has this been postponed/cancelled? If they are, let's hope they have learned their lesson and keep costs down and the pimping up man away from those buses!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 16:07:36 GMT 1
The funding bid allows for the Harrogate Bus Station and the depot to be upgraded as the bid was to convert Harrogate to electric only So even the 24 and 59 will be electric? Route 24 is listed as being one of the routes being upgraded although route 59 isn't (along with routes 8 & 21) - I'm assuming as it's weekends only the plan will be to use one of the School deckers on it.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 1, 2023 17:30:02 GMT 1
The funding bid allows for the Harrogate Bus Station and the depot to be upgraded as the bid was to convert Harrogate to electric only So even the 24 and 59 will be electric? 24 is included in the bid. 59 not included at time of bid as was still a seasonal route. Services 8 & 21 as both routes are up for review. So far there's only Harrogate & Idle going fully electric at Transdev's Yorkshire Operations with Keighley to recieve electric vehicles for 60 & 662.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 1, 2023 17:41:02 GMT 1
Does it even matter what the bus is powered by when they cannot even run a bus? 17 posted cancellations on the 36 alone today, let alone the ones that are not posted. Re-charging won't be a problem when they run so few buses because of cancellations. Are they actually introducing new buses given their apparent financial situation or has this been postponed/cancelled? If they are, let's hope they have learned their lesson and keep costs down and the pimping up man away from those buses! All operators still have staffing issues so at the moment high frequency routes like the 36 at Harrogate or the Shuttle & Aireline at Keighley for examples will have trips cancelled to allow the less frequent routes to still run. Another factor to take in to account is some drivers may be doing mentoring for new drivers so that can tie a driver up all shift. A third factor is that even the current drivers have compliance training to refresh too
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 17:53:12 GMT 1
So even the 24 and 59 will be electric? 24 is included in the bid. 59 not included at time of bid as was still a seasonal route. Services 8 & 21 as both routes are up for review. So far there's only Harrogate & Idle going fully electric at Transdev's Yorkshire Operations with Keighley to recieve electric vehicles for 60 & 662. Has Keighley gained extra funding for route 60? Until now it's only been 662 that's listed for electric buses at Keighley
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 1, 2023 18:36:03 GMT 1
Does it even matter what the bus is powered by when they cannot even run a bus? 17 posted cancellations on the 36 alone today, let alone the ones that are not posted. Re-charging won't be a problem when they run so few buses because of cancellations. There are around 150 trips per day on the 36, so 150 less 17 doesn’t equal “few”
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Post by WYBS on Jun 1, 2023 18:42:00 GMT 1
So even the 24 and 59 will be electric? 24 is included in the bid. 59 not included at time of bid as was still a seasonal route. Services 8 & 21 as both routes are up for review. So far there's only Harrogate & Idle going fully electric at Transdev's Yorkshire Operations with Keighley to recieve electric vehicles for 60 & 662. There's been no mention of the 760 getting electrics, unless that has changed recently.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 1, 2023 19:38:12 GMT 1
24 is included in the bid. 59 not included at time of bid as was still a seasonal route. Services 8 & 21 as both routes are up for review. So far there's only Harrogate & Idle going fully electric at Transdev's Yorkshire Operations with Keighley to recieve electric vehicles for 60 & 662. Has Keighley gained extra funding for route 60? Until now it's only been 662 that's listed for electric buses at Keighley 24 is included in the bid. 59 not included at time of bid as was still a seasonal route. Services 8 & 21 as both routes are up for review. So far there's only Harrogate & Idle going fully electric at Transdev's Yorkshire Operations with Keighley to recieve electric vehicles for 60 & 662. There's been no mention of the 760 getting electrics, unless that has changed recently. the zebra funding bid for Keighley depot was for 662 and Aireline 60. Of all the bids Transdev's is the only company who's included routes are going ahead. WYCA's has been dropped for now, FWY have axed at least 2 of theirs if not more and it's anyone's guess what's happening with Arriva's.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 1, 2023 20:20:58 GMT 1
24 is included in the bid. 59 not included at time of bid as was still a seasonal route. Services 8 & 21 as both routes are up for review. So far there's only Harrogate & Idle going fully electric at Transdev's Yorkshire Operations with Keighley to recieve electric vehicles for 60 & 662. There's been no mention of the 760 getting electrics, unless that has changed recently. There won't be. It's been the 60 for some years now. All 4 of the routes past my house have been renumbered (some more than once), but it confuses people less to use the current route numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 20:24:27 GMT 1
Has Keighley gained extra funding for route 60? Until now it's only been 662 that's listed for electric buses at Keighley There's been no mention of the 760 getting electrics, unless that has changed recently. the zebra funding bid for Keighley depot was for 662 and Aireline 60. Of all the bids Transdev's is the only company who's included routes are going ahead. WYCA's has been dropped for now, FWY have axed at least 2 of theirs if not more and it's anyone's guess what's happening with Arriva's. The 60 wasn't included in the original bid - I've attached the original ZEBRA route map that shows only one route leaving Keighley heading to Bradford on the 662 route (if you zoom in you can see that blank space between Calverley & Shipley that is the 60 route) Attachments:
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Post by rs on Jun 1, 2023 22:18:03 GMT 1
Does it even matter what the bus is powered by when they cannot even run a bus? 17 posted cancellations on the 36 alone today, let alone the ones that are not posted. Re-charging won't be a problem when they run so few buses because of cancellations. There are around 150 trips per day on the 36, so 150 less 17 doesn’t equal “few” Whilst I understand 17 trips out of 150 may not seem a lot, it's still not acceptable. I know of a few people who have been put off using the bus altogether now because of 'a few' cancelled journeys. No amount of fancy lighting or mobile phone holders will get them back on the bus. I've personally been let down four times because the bus I was due to catch was cancelled, and it wasn't a high frequency route either. Twice was it announced it wasn't running, the second time it was said to be cancelled I ended up passing it as I drove into town instead. If there are still regularly cancelled journeys then the timetable needs to be amended until such a time that they can run it without dropping journeys. As for the specs of the new 36s, I can see them being based on Sky Class. Which in all honesty is more than enough, but being the 'next generation' I can see a few hopefully not too gimmicky additions being included too.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 1, 2023 22:52:36 GMT 1
A big hint. It will almost definitely be ADL. I think both companies loved working together on Witchway/ZAP. Especially with how ADL constantly posted about those buses months after they launched. I just hope the company doesn’t ditch Wright, they’ve proper redeemed themselves with the Electroliner, and that’s in London specifications!
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Post by Burnside on Jun 3, 2023 20:37:10 GMT 1
Yet again, we are veering wildly off topic.
Please keep this thread only for discussion of Transdev's electric vehicle order.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 16:28:12 GMT 1
I would want companies to either go for the Electroliner or the Volvo BZL. I've seen the electroliners and friends have told me they're quite good. I see Stagecoach aren't going ADL anymore, they've gone down the Volvo route, with huge orders for the BZL's both Single and Double deckers.
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