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Post by deerfold on Jul 16, 2016 22:33:36 GMT 1
Any idea of date/dates for the full out strike yet??? Wouldnt surprise me if its in the nxt fortnight with schools/colleges/unis shutting for summer hols. They'll struggle if they haven't held the ballot yet - after holding the ballot they'll have to give a week's notice of any action. Many schools finish next weekend.
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Post by pub146g on Jul 19, 2016 20:47:25 GMT 1
Any idea of date/dates for the full out strike yet??? Wouldnt surprise me if its in the nxt fortnight with schools/colleges/unis shutting for summer hols. Any decision on a possible strike will probably be announced after a union meeting due to be held later this week, Thursday I believe.
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Post by biroguy on Jul 20, 2016 5:52:27 GMT 1
This kind of action instigated by UNITE will do long term damage to First and could lead to many drivers losing their jobs, I speak from experience of being a UNITE member myself. Similar action in my industry, Printing, virtually wiped it out and they are not good at aftercare once your job has gone. A major public enquiry into the failure of NGT and Supertram in Leeds tells you that at some point Leeds will get a different transport system on the ground and this will impact on drivers jobs. The fact that First lied at a public enquiry on NGT saying it would buy 200 New Buses for West Yorkshire is going to come under scrutiny. The £173 million for an alternative transport system for Leeds is still there
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Post by pub146g on Jul 20, 2016 15:01:20 GMT 1
The announcement has been made today, the Leeds strike will commence next Tuesday.
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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 20, 2016 16:33:51 GMT 1
The announcement has been made today, the Leeds strike will commence next Tuesday. Looks like Unite are setting First and Metro a challenge doing it as an open-ended strikes. With how it reads on YEP article all the other depots seem to have said NO to a Yorkshirewide strike. Bradford and Huddersfield you can understand as they've just recently had and settled a similar dispute.
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Post by ianigsy on Jul 20, 2016 21:16:26 GMT 1
I'm a Unite member in an office job and the local branch newsletter was in our canteen today with some comments on the suspensions angle of the dispute.
Not quite sure what Unite's strategy is here, if there is one- they seem to be blowing hot and cold a lot of the time. I can't help feeling, however, that going out indefinitely invites First to say that they won't negotiate further until the drivers are back at work, and at Group level they may well be encouraged to make the drivers sweat in an attempt to break the union.
I also suspect that given the recent drop in the value of the pound, at some point in the next few months when their hedging agreements run out, First may be looking to increase fares to cover fuel costs, in which case one way of moderating those increases would be to trim the network and cut frequencies- so less work in the future when the drivers do eventually go back to work.
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Post by deerfold on Jul 20, 2016 22:41:23 GMT 1
The announcement has been made today, the Leeds strike will commence next Tuesday. Looks like Unite are setting First and Metro a challenge doing it as an open-ended strikes. With how it reads on YEP article all the other depots seem to have said NO to a Yorkshirewide strike. Bradford and Huddersfield you can understand as they've just recently had and settled a similar dispute. Not sure what this has to do with Metro. As far as I can see no other depots have yet held a vote on whether to strike.
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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 21, 2016 5:09:34 GMT 1
Looks like Unite are setting First and Metro a challenge doing it as an open-ended strikes. With how it reads on YEP article all the other depots seem to have said NO to a Yorkshirewide strike. Bradford and Huddersfield you can understand as they've just recently had and settled a similar dispute. Not sure what this has to do with Metro. As far as I can see no other depots have yet held a vote on whether to strike. at affects Metro as they will need to consider withdrawing any contracts from First and they'll also be having to pay out to other operators to cover the extra services.
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Post by whereami on Jul 21, 2016 5:54:57 GMT 1
Looks like Unite are setting First and Metro a challenge doing it as an open-ended strikes. With how it reads on YEP article all the other depots seem to have said NO to a Yorkshirewide strike. Bradford and Huddersfield you can understand as they've just recently had and settled a similar dispute. Not sure what this has to do with Metro. As far as I can see no other depots have yet held a vote on whether to strike. From what I was told by a Huddersfield driver is, that Bradford, Halifax and Huddersfield are not getting involved, there will not be a group wide ballot for strike action, and, apparently, the threat of a group wide strike, was the parting shot of a Unite employee, who was sacked by the Unite.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jul 21, 2016 9:30:55 GMT 1
Not sure what this has to do with Metro. As far as I can see no other depots have yet held a vote on whether to strike. at affects Metro as they will need to consider withdrawing any contracts from First and they'll also be having to pay out to other operators to cover the extra services. As part of any Metro contract would any operators(not just First) be allowed a certain number of strike days during the time of the contract?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 21, 2016 18:13:37 GMT 1
Not sure what this has to do with Metro. As far as I can see no other depots have yet held a vote on whether to strike. at affects Metro as they will need to consider withdrawing any contracts from First and they'll also be having to pay out to other operators to cover the extra services. Cover what extra services? Neither of your points are true, as has been seen services are effected the same regardless of being commercial or tenders, in fact tenders are worse effected as they tend to not run at all.
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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 21, 2016 18:31:28 GMT 1
at affects Metro as they will need to consider withdrawing any contracts from First and they'll also be having to pay out to other operators to cover the extra services. Cover what extra services? Neither of your points are true, as has been seen services are effected the same regardless of being commercial or tenders, in fact tenders are worse effected as they tend to not run at all. so although the plan is for skeletal routes, Accessbus for Leeds and Elland road P&R are to run, whose to say that all staff at leeds go on strike, there wouldn't be enough managers to with PCV/PSV and CPC licences to run the routws. Also what I meant by cover the extra services is covering the runs Metro fund and if another operator was to temporaily take on that run for a while till the is sorted but running the service to a different timetable (possibly with shorter hours e.g. like HCT ran X98 the last 3 strikes they could step in to cover it again but run it to a shorter or longer timetable. Alright on the last strike First Leeds managed to have 25% of its drivers on the road it may only be as 5% operation.
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Post by basher37 on Jul 22, 2016 16:54:17 GMT 1
Tuesday's strike cancelled..
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Post by ianigsy on Jul 22, 2016 20:10:39 GMT 1
Although this comes as a relief, this just makes my point about blowing hot and cold.
As a daily commuter from Otley to Leeds, I generally buy a monthly First ticket for West and North Yorkshire- I use the X84, so it's convenient to be able to go to Ilkley and Skipton at the weekends, and a K-Day is cheap enough for anything else I want to do based on the 762 such as going to Haworth or Hebden Bridge. Since coming back from holiday a week ago, I bought a weekly Leeds only ticket on Sunday as it was as much as I could afford until I was paid on Wednesday, and I was all set to buy either a weekly Transdev Gold 7 or a monthly 1-3 MetroCard this weekend. Presumably it's now another minimum of a week before Unite could strike again, so I'll probably buy another Leeds weekly on Monday- there's no way I'm committing to anything longer until somebody finally sorts this all out!
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Post by pub146g on Aug 26, 2016 9:31:38 GMT 1
The result of the latest ballot shows that drivers have accepted the current pay offer so no further industrial action is anticipated.
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Post by 112jct41 on Aug 26, 2016 11:50:27 GMT 1
The result of the latest ballot shows that drivers have accepted the current pay offer so no further industrial action is anticipated. well at least it should settle for now but there's still time for everything to flare up again.
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Post by Burnside on Aug 29, 2016 15:01:58 GMT 1
Can we avoid making derogatory comments about fellow members?
Thank you.
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