A1YBG
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Post by A1YBG on Nov 4, 2014 20:35:19 GMT 1
Green boris was on display at Tesco Seacroft today, apprantley at Hunslet morrisons tommorow Yes Hunslet Morrisons in morning then onto white rose centre in the afternoon. I went to the one today at Tesco Seacroft and it had fun getting into the car park!! Was funny with the guy there said this is one of over 1000 of the new bus for London aha. His face when we told him there would only be 600 soon with another 200 to follow. Sent from my GT-N7100 using proboards
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Post by rst1987 on Nov 4, 2014 23:51:49 GMT 1
It will be attending the Dewsbury Bus Museum running day on 16th November, operating its free services in the area for the day.
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Post by yr5224 on Nov 5, 2014 19:17:11 GMT 1
The bus will be in Shipley on Thursday 6 November 2014 10am till 4pm
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Post by biroguy on Nov 11, 2014 17:18:02 GMT 1
Pictures are appearing on flickr with it showing X33 blinds for Guiseley. is it in general passenger service now?
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Post by basher37 on Nov 16, 2014 20:18:34 GMT 1
This had loads of runs out today at Dewsbury,upstairs gets very warm I thought,even when it was parked up with all the doors below open...
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Post by A1YBG on Nov 16, 2014 22:55:53 GMT 1
This had loads of runs out today at Dewsbury,upstairs gets very warm I thought,even when it was parked up with all the doors below open... The original run was full and had standing loads before the bus even went to the bus stand to pick up. Came back from its run to pick up those that never made it on the first time. Was a popular one aha Sent from my GT-N7100 using proboards
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Post by basher37 on Nov 17, 2014 20:50:08 GMT 1
Been at Kirkstall Morrisons today..
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Post by gooderson1 on Nov 18, 2014 7:59:53 GMT 1
Yes but will this very expensive piece of kit ever enter revenue earning service in West Yorkshire
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Post by western on Nov 18, 2014 9:11:09 GMT 1
Yes but will this very expensive piece of kit ever enter revenue earning service in West Yorkshire Not in it's present form.
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Post by gooderson1 on Nov 19, 2014 8:36:14 GMT 1
Can anyone assist with a query. I am told that the vehicle cannot enter revenue earning service as it does not meet construction and use regulations. It can be used as a free bus and used in London and TFL use their powers to let the bus operate. Anybody got any knowledge of this theory.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Nov 19, 2014 16:08:46 GMT 1
Can anyone assist with a query. I am told that the vehicle cannot enter revenue earning service as it does not meet construction and use regulations. It can be used as a free bus and used in London and TFL use their powers to let the bus operate. Anybody got any knowledge of this theory. If it doesn't meet Contruction & Use Regulations, then TfL have no power to over rule that (despite them thinking that they are above the law)
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Post by gooderson1 on Nov 19, 2014 16:44:26 GMT 1
That was my thought but remember that TFL have the same powers as the Traffic Commissioners within the London area. If you register a service from(say) Swanley(Kent) to London the operator has to lodge his registration with the SE traffic commissioners and TFL(and yes the operator has to do two lots of paperwork and two lots of fees) so it may well be the reason why the Borismaster works in London but not elsewhere. Take for example the TFL route 233 which operates between Sidcup and Swanley, any change of times/routing is shown on the vosa website as Swanley to London boundry, after that it is down to TFL so they may well have the power to dictate what type of vehicle operates in London as opposed to the rest of the country.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Nov 19, 2014 19:32:16 GMT 1
That was my thought but remember that TFL have the same powers as the Traffic Commissioners within the London area. If you register a service from(say) Swanley(Kent) to London the operator has to lodge his registration with the SE traffic commissioners and TFL(and yes the operator has to do two lots of paperwork and two lots of fees) so it may well be the reason why the Borismaster works in London but not elsewhere. Take for example the TFL route 233 which operates between Sidcup and Swanley, any change of times/routing is shown on the vosa website as Swanley to London boundry, after that it is down to TFL so they may well have the power to dictate what type of vehicle operates in London as opposed to the rest of the country. All you have to submit to TfL is the paperwork to request a "London Local Service Permit", which they could refuse to issue - if they did, I believe you can still appeal to the Metropolitan Area Traffic Commissioner. A London operator once did a "self adjustment" to a service (which did operate cross boundary, and was correctly registered), which meant that there were 3 buses at a terminal stand for 1 minute on a Saturday morning at around 7.30am (where they were only permitted 2), and once TfL found out, they demanded that the 3rd bus ran 1 minute later to avoid this situation, and when the operator pointed out that a service change (such as this) needs 6 weeks advance notice, TfL's reply was along the lines of We will tell them that we are deciding the journey will change and they will have to accept that - We are TfL. Remember TfL have no more powers in reality than Metro!
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Post by whereami on Nov 22, 2014 23:43:48 GMT 1
It must be allowed to be used outside London and in service.
Because, Stagecoach have borrowed 2 since November 3rd, and put them into service on the 73 route in the Dundee area, where they still employ Conductors.
They will be using them until February
This has been reported in the December edition of Buses magazine
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 23, 2014 7:33:37 GMT 1
Isn't the question when will these see service outside of London.
Go back in time and in the early 1950's and all deckers are rear/centre loading with conductors yet before 1960 the engine is moved to the rear and size increased from 55/60 to almost 80 i.e. a third larger. Yes some councils bus operators moved quicker than others. You can see the comments which would appear on here and the modern press if they existed back then.
Move on 10 years and along comes One Man Operation, then double door options come and go, artics that revolution started in the 1980's and it is still alive and well in a limited scale. You could write a book on developments, the simple basic changes, innovation and if the computer now says yes then why should some mortal be allowed to over rule it, we all know what happens when the computer says no.
Love it or loathe it the thing is capable of doing what it is designed to do, it moves those wanting to get from A to B safely and in a reasonable time. Most who read this will have had an opportunity to ride on it and lots will have and lived to tell the tale.
Finally will it turn out to be another Routemaster great for London but there are cheaper and better options for the rest of the UK. I for one think it will find favour outside of London but time will tell.
One last thing would my time have been better spent taking the dog for a walk or writing this, the British weather will have a lot to answer for................. (it's the dog which doesn't like the rain not me)
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Post by gooderson1 on Nov 23, 2014 10:25:54 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 23, 2014 10:40:35 GMT 1
I don't really know what the point of it is, besides First picking the most radical vehicle available at that time. The only reason they've gone with this in London is because of emotional attachment to the old routemaster.
A dual door hybrid version of any normal double deck on the market, like a Gemini or Enviro 400 could do everything First are proposing the New Routemaster will do.
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Post by gooderson1 on Nov 23, 2014 14:43:25 GMT 1
I am open to correction but I believe I have read somewhere that the resale value of a Borismaster at the end of it's life in London is NIL.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 23, 2014 22:26:55 GMT 1
I am open to correction but I believe I have read somewhere that the resale value of a Borismaster at the end of it's life in London is NIL. I think this depends on whether anyone else would want them. I doubt many operators if any will though. First are considering purchasing some for West Yorkshire soon, but in 10-14 years time London ones will of course no longer be new.
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Post by clifton on Nov 24, 2014 0:08:24 GMT 1
I am open to correction but I believe I have read somewhere that the resale value of a Borismaster at the end of it's life in London is NIL. Only slightly less than the Merc Artics were worth when they came out of service in London.
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 24, 2014 7:30:10 GMT 1
Reading the article isn't it a case of the Borismaster runs out of fuel in Dundee, hardly the fault of Boris in that case.............
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Post by gooderson1 on Nov 24, 2014 8:58:08 GMT 1
The article states that the vehicle broke down and earlier in the week another ran out of diesel. It would not require a suspended town down for lack of fuel. That type of tow would appear to be a bigger problem.
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Post by FIYHANunDer on Nov 24, 2014 10:55:08 GMT 1
The article states that the vehicle broke down and earlier in the week another ran out of diesel. It would not require a suspended town down for lack of fuel. That type of tow would appear to be a bigger problem. I can not believe there is such an uproar about a bus breaking down, or is it because of the type of bus.. Don't see people kicking off about Volvos that seem to set themselves on fire nearly every week, or Scanias that have air issues etc. Its a new type of bus with complex hybrid technology, it is going to suffer with issues, even airplanes that have millions of Pounds (Euros/US Dollars) spent on R&D breakdown. Everyone who has a car can not claim that it is 100% without faults.
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 24, 2014 18:48:03 GMT 1
The article states that the vehicle broke down and earlier in the week another ran out of diesel. It would not require a suspended town down for lack of fuel. That type of tow would appear to be a bigger problem. Wouldn't it depend on where or when it ran out of fuel, it could be Stagecoaches policy to recover everything and fix it back at the depot. Was it actually know at the time it had only run out of fuel, I know what I would have done.
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Post by Matty on Nov 24, 2014 19:38:06 GMT 1
I am open to correction but I believe I have read somewhere that the resale value of a Borismaster at the end of it's life in London is NIL. They should last 40 years like the old ones....
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