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Post by Dom on Jul 22, 2014 17:01:43 GMT 1
Don't know about anyone else, but, would this cope with the hills and speedhumps of West Yorkshire as london doesnt really? Would like to how it would cope on the 576 Very difficultly! Wouldn't even get into Bradford Interchange!
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Post by stevo on Jul 22, 2014 18:27:12 GMT 1
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Post by biroguy on Jul 22, 2014 22:08:03 GMT 1
It`s worth remembering why it`s actually here in the first place, First Leeds have proposed the "New Routemster" as an alternative to trolleybuses on the A660. The public enquiry will run until October so First want to show this bus off on the route NGT is proposed for. It is highly unlikely to operate outside Leeds, I am highly sceptical of this type of bus ever running in huge numbers in Leeds.
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Post by bradfordgary on Jul 23, 2014 14:10:12 GMT 1
I also saw a Boris at about 2.15pm on Monday passing Elland Road on the M621 heading towards Leeds. I tried to post at about 3pm that day but my computer has only just allowed me to relay the message.
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Gary
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Post by kevg on Jul 23, 2014 14:44:07 GMT 1
LT2 has now been re-registered LTZ1002
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Post by biroguy on Jul 23, 2014 22:57:08 GMT 1
There is a photo on the First West Yorkshire twitter account, also a timetable will appear on there of when and where it will be used, it appears to be going on a West Yorkshire tour
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 24, 2014 12:06:44 GMT 1
That's your opinion. But but I think most people will disagree with you, for the fact First are putting 110% into this, because they don't like the Trolley Bus Idea. My opinion is that it'll be a good idea, we just have to wait and see. Thank You Have you seen a borismaster up front coz I have. They arent suitable for west yorkshire as the vast majority of bus stations are D.I.R.O whereas for a borismaster its completely restricted to D.I.D.O stations like the ones of the bygone years (except pudsey, halifax and bradford). Now I would think Optare latest vehicle the METRODECKER will work and is better because of the amount of hooligans you get on buses nowadays. Absolute garbage you are spouting. They are suitable for front door operation at DIRO bus stations, same as the ex London Olympians were 10 years ago. IF some were to be built to provincial specifications, then no doubt they would be front door, and front staircased vehicles.
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Post by Dom on Jul 24, 2014 12:52:29 GMT 1
I have seen the borismaster a up front, and when my local route was converted to them a few years back I was the first to see them perform.
First aren't stupid. If a bus station is DIRO then they will adapt the buses, like with the Dual doors we previously had, they can adapt them, they will have probably have something similar to Ibus 'at this stop, please ugly through the front doors only'.
I like how when you have posted on this forum you have been scrutinising everyone's posts, and I feel annoyed with that, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and your making people mute it. I'm probably right in thinking I'm not the only person thinking this.
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Post by kendall17 on Jul 24, 2014 13:08:27 GMT 1
Lets not forget, they are to be seen as a replacement for the NGT and not to be pushed out fleet wide. The NGT was never going into the bus station. So they will be suitable.
If they were to be fleet wide, changes would be required or just not use them in the bus station.
When you've written something off before its even hit the road, you deserve to have your opinion scrutinised. Give it a chance. If it works, fantastic. If it doesn't, back to the drawing board to find something that doesn't cost £250m for a few mins off a journey time.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 24, 2014 13:28:32 GMT 1
Lets not forget, they are to be seen as a replacement for the NGT and not to be pushed out fleet wide. The NGT was never going into the bus station. So they will be suitable. If they were to be fleet wide, changes would be required or just not use them in the bus station. When you've written something off before its even hit the road, you deserve to have your opinion scrutinised. Give it a chance. If it works, fantastic. If it doesn't, back to the drawing board to find something that doesn't cost £250m for a few mins off a journey time. I believe the whole purpose of this demonstration visit is for First to show that not only would these vehicles (or something else stunning) is suitable as replacement for the NGT at a cheaper cost, but also that the £250m if given to First, could be used to convert a large proportion of the Leeds network to these vehicles.
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Post by i901 on Jul 24, 2014 14:58:50 GMT 1
Absolute garbage you are spouting. They are suitable for front door operation at DIRO bus stations, same as the ex London Olympians were 10 years ago. IF some were to be built to provincial specifications, then no doubt they would be front door, and front staircased vehicles. What a load of rubbish. The borismaster has three I repeat THREE sections one at the front, one in the middle and one at the rear. Are you seriously saying that First will mess about with which door to open especially during rush hour when people are stressed at and want to go straight home and cant thus leading to First getting a bad reputation. Am I the only one using common sense and experience of been on buses in these times and knowing this will go wrong. If you are using your common sense, you will realise that the 3 sets of doors can be individually opened, so when at a drive in reverse out bus station, only the front doors will be open. On some routes in London (e.g. the 8 operated by Stagecoach) where these vehicles are used they are operated as 'one man op' (e.g. no conductor, driver opens the doors) and the doors on the back platform are only opened if there is someone there waiting to alight. Given these vehicles are for operation in Leeds - if they do come in a large number - you surely realise that a lot of routes in Leeds don't use the bus station therefore this isn't really an issue?
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Post by Dom on Jul 24, 2014 15:03:38 GMT 1
Absolute garbage you are spouting. They are suitable for front door operation at DIRO bus stations, same as the ex London Olympians were 10 years ago. IF some were to be built to provincial specifications, then no doubt they would be front door, and front staircased vehicles. What a load of rubbish. The borismaster has three I repeat THREE sections one at the front, one in the middle and one at the rear. Are you seriously saying that First will mess about with which door to open especially during rush hour when people are stressed at and want to go straight home and cant thus leading to First getting a bad reputation. Am I the only one using common sense and experience of been on buses in these times and knowing this will go wrong. I think your taking this quite jokey now. Can you explain to me what happens after 1930 on a Monday to Friday and after 1900 on a Saturday and Sunday to boris Masters in London? The rear doors get locked, because it is one man operation. The centre doors can also be locked, but I'm pretty sure if first are to use the bus station they will make sure the drivers are fully aware not to open the central door. You are the person using the least common sense, and the most offence, if I see it carry on i will report it. As I feel you a breaking our community on here. Thank you
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jul 24, 2014 16:02:27 GMT 1
Have you seen a borismaster up front coz I have. They arent suitable for west yorkshire as the vast majority of bus stations are D.I.R.O whereas for a borismaster its completely restricted to D.I.D.O stations like the ones of the bygone years (except pudsey, halifax and bradford). Now I would think Optare latest vehicle the METRODECKER will work and is better because of the amount of hooligans you get on buses nowadays. Absolute garbage you are spouting. They are suitable for front door operation at DIRO bus stations, same as the ex London Olympians were 10 years ago. IF some were to be built to provincial specifications, then no doubt they would be front door, and front staircased vehicles. And they may also be built to different lengths as well
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Post by biroguy on Jul 24, 2014 16:15:36 GMT 1
I was involved in a meeting about these buses with top management at First in March, they are very serious about using up to 250 of these buses across Leeds. It is worth bearing in mind as well that very few First services use the bus station, so they will appear on cross city services. A new ticketing system should be up and running for these buses in the not too distant future.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 24, 2014 16:26:58 GMT 1
Absolute garbage you are spouting. They are suitable for front door operation at DIRO bus stations, same as the ex London Olympians were 10 years ago. IF some were to be built to provincial specifications, then no doubt they would be front door, and front staircased vehicles. What a load of rubbish. The borismaster has three I repeat THREE sections one at the front, one in the middle and one at the rear. Are you seriously saying that First will mess about with which door to open especially during rush hour when people are stressed at and want to go straight home and cant thus leading to First getting a bad reputation. Am I the only one using common sense and experience of been on buses in these times and knowing this will go wrong. As we are currently talking about ONE vehicle, I can't see that as much of a problem. In future any ordered for the provinces, may be single or dual doored, I certainly can't see them being triple doored.
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Post by barrynevel on Aug 4, 2014 10:43:43 GMT 1
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Post by bradfordgary on Aug 4, 2014 13:43:57 GMT 1
Doesn't this tour round the depots indicate that there might be a case for supplying this vehicle to other routes rather than just have it as an alternative for the proposed trolleybus system?
Regards
Gary
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Post by rwilkes on Aug 4, 2014 14:23:31 GMT 1
First are not wanting any public money at all for the 'New Bus for Leeds' - green borismasters
The roll out would be paid for entirely by First subject to the road infrastructure, bus lanes, bus stops, shelters etc being provided by the Combined Authority as part of a Quality Partnership. No partnership - no 'New Bus for Leeds'
Considerable modification of seats, doors, staircases, windows may take place depending on public and stakeholder feedback.
If a partnership proceeds well, the buses could be seen in other districts too.
This is a huge commitment to West Yorkshire by First
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Post by rwilkes on Aug 4, 2014 14:25:33 GMT 1
I forgot to say, what First are saying is that just a proportion of the money for NGT could instead be used to benefit all districts in W Yorks, not just one route in Leeds
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 4, 2014 18:24:34 GMT 1
Would they not then get the funding removed, if Metro spent it on something else compared to what they said it was for?
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Post by basher37 on Aug 4, 2014 19:14:16 GMT 1
Wish I'd of known about this yesterday...
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Post by biroguy on Aug 4, 2014 20:16:36 GMT 1
First are not wanting any public money at all for the 'New Bus for Leeds' - green borismasters The roll out would be paid for entirely by First subject to the road infrastructure, bus lanes, bus stops, shelters etc being provided by the Combined Authority as part of a Quality Partnership. No partnership - no 'New Bus for Leeds' Considerable modification of seats, doors, staircases, windows may take place depending on public and stakeholder feedback. If a partnership proceeds well, the buses could be seen in other districts too. This is a huge commitment to West Yorkshire by First Not quite the case, the money for all the NGT road alterations currently paid for by the DFT would have to come from the new West Yorkshire Transport Fund. So £200 million earmarked for areas across West Yorkshire would all end up going to Leeds. In view of the fact that First are objecting to the Metro NGT scheme it is highly unlikely the two will be able to form an amicable partnership anytime soon.
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Post by rwilkes on Aug 4, 2014 21:55:13 GMT 1
Only a small proportion of the £200m would be needed for the partnership bus priorities. what the Combined Authority would have to pay to NGT from its own funds would be enough
However, as the program would be much and much better for WY as a whole, cheaper than NGT it may be possible to persuade DfT to part fund it.
You are right abt the possibility of an amicable partnership, but Metro have always been dead set against one, so in a way First had nothing to lose by opposing NGT.
However, Metro are looking very silly at the NGT inquiry, they will have little credibility when the report comes out.
The public will then realise just how many of their millions have been wasted.
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Post by Matty on Aug 4, 2014 23:22:51 GMT 1
Read somewhere a while ago that if they was ordering these for Leeds, they would have 2 doors... One at rear & one at front.
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Post by rwilkes on Aug 5, 2014 0:02:50 GMT 1
They are looking at 2 or 3 doors, one or 2 staircases, and many other things. this is why the public will be seeing them and there will be a consultation. Staff and stakeholders also get a say. People can make inspired guesses, but the truth about the final design will have to wait.
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