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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 13, 2010 17:32:11 GMT 1
That was always the plan in the 'basic timetable' that First have decided to run commercially. Centrebus are also operating via City Square inbound so railway station passengers don't have to travel via the bus station like they do now.
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Post by northerner on Apr 13, 2010 19:20:15 GMT 1
First will have to take lessons from Centrebus on how to maintain a consistent timetable, I'm sure it can be done as Centrebus have every faith in their timetable otherwise what would be the point in designing such a consistent timetable Found this on VOSAs website: Seems First have produced a timetable which should be achievable. Looking at the Centrebus timetable they appear to have reduced running time on a morning peak towards Leeds. On the plus side, is this the best ever service between Leeds and the Airport?
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Post by Jack on Apr 13, 2010 21:46:48 GMT 1
Mind you, Centrebus have 20 minutes layover thereabouts in Leeds Bus Station so any late running will be absorbed. If you take into account that the Centrebus service may not stop as frequently into Leeds to pick passengers up as everyone suggests, the extra running time may not be required.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Apr 14, 2010 8:29:40 GMT 1
The Centrebus Mon-Sat daytime operation is also commercially operated, however the timetable was that laid out by Metro, complete with running times, with an extension to Leeds Bus Station added in. As such there is no room for retiming due to the need for connections at the airport for onward travel on the Metro funded feeder services, but as noted by others there is plenty of recovery time at the Leeds end.
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Post by fwybuses on Apr 14, 2010 15:20:08 GMT 1
The Centrebus Mon-Sat daytime operation is also commercially operated, however the timetable was that laid out by Metro, Sounds like they are starting to intergrate some of the ideas of the QC'S into the tender process.
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Post by rossbailey on Apr 14, 2010 18:08:29 GMT 1
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Post by fwybuses on Apr 14, 2010 18:15:18 GMT 1
I bet they get like ryanair. "Serves the airport, but you have to walk a bit "
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Post by northerner on Apr 14, 2010 19:59:27 GMT 1
Surely it must be against competition rules??
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Post by fwybuses on Apr 14, 2010 21:32:46 GMT 1
Surely it must be against competition rules?? Nope i wouldnt say so. Airport and metro chose who they wanted to run into the airport, and they chose Centrebus. First have thrown the toys out of the pram, and airport has retaliated with banning them from the ground of the airport. Am sure first's 757 will be cancelled within the next set of changes.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 14, 2010 21:41:23 GMT 1
The registration is now on VOSA
PB0004441/1 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Leeds Bus Station Finish Point: Leeds - Bradford Airport Via: Service Number: 757 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-APR-2010 Other Details: Daily half hourly.
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Post by northerner on Apr 14, 2010 22:09:55 GMT 1
Surely it must be against competition rules?? Nope i wouldnt say so. Airport and metro chose who they wanted to run into the airport, and they chose Centrebus. First have thrown the toys out of the pram, and airport has retaliated with banning them from the ground of the airport. Am sure first's 757 will be cancelled within the next set of changes. Earlier this week Metro said they wanted more competition though and I cant really see why both First and Centrebus cant run the 757.
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Post by SF07 on Apr 14, 2010 22:10:25 GMT 1
Where's the name 'White Rose Bus' come from? Looking on Google, they're a coach company from Barnsley.
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 14, 2010 22:27:01 GMT 1
First wont cancel their 757. They hold the market. If anything, the competition will do the route well, we'll see who makes it and who doesn't. My moneys on First making it.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 14, 2010 22:51:12 GMT 1
If they can't run into the airport, they'd do better running straight past to Pool or something, they'd still be able to run a few minutes in front of Centrebus protecting the rest of the A65 corridor
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Apr 15, 2010 8:36:50 GMT 1
Where's the name 'White Rose Bus' come from? Looking on Google, they're a coach company from Barnsley. As mentioned on another thread the White Rose Bus Co license was acquired with one of the operators taken over in West Yorkshire (K-Line I think). As for whether preventing First serving the airport is anti-competitive, the airport is private land so the airport owner can allow whoever they want on (as they aren't operating any of the services it isn't a competition issue unlike bus company owned bus stations).
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 15, 2010 8:54:42 GMT 1
The airporst was sold off recentily. Wonder what'd happen when still owned by the councils (who I suppose are the same owners of Metro ?)
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Post by Burnside on Apr 15, 2010 9:51:22 GMT 1
As First are not serving the Airport, will they be required to display something else on the destination, or would they get away with running buses with "757 Airport" displayed?
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Post by northerner on Apr 15, 2010 9:55:09 GMT 1
Suppose displaying Airport would be misleading, they would be better off serving Otley instead retaining a direct link for passengers from Kirkstall/Horsforth/Rawdon
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 15, 2010 11:45:04 GMT 1
Metro's meeting notes left me under the impression that Centrebus could have had the route for themselves, but during the tender process decided to register the 757 daytimes to run commercially which allowed First to decide to do the same
Surely given that Centrebus are the only ones running into the bus station and the only ones running into the Airport proper they should start with an advantage?
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Post by SF07 on Apr 15, 2010 15:37:24 GMT 1
Wonder if there is more problems with the 757. Metro have taken down the timetables, the Changing Times booklet and the messages talking about the 757 from the Changing Times page for the time being. Maybe more news to come soon.
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Post by Burnside on Apr 16, 2010 10:09:52 GMT 1
Speaking of the timetable changes, has anyone else noticed that First have withdrawn the remaining journeys it operates on service 653?
Sneaky!
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Post by SF07 on Apr 16, 2010 11:32:26 GMT 1
Speaking of the timetable changes, has anyone else noticed that First have withdrawn the remaining journeys it operates on service 653? Sneaky! Looking in the Forthcoming Timetables on First Bradford website and the Yorkshire Journey Planner, First are still running the 653 after the changes next weekend. 653 timetable
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Post by Burnside on Apr 16, 2010 12:10:54 GMT 1
Soz. Just found my mistake. Metro's timetable now has First and TLC 653's on a seperate timetable from the 737 and 963 which is why i didn't spot it. Oops!
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Post by timelesstable on Apr 16, 2010 19:09:59 GMT 1
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Post by 77syk7 on Apr 18, 2010 19:35:41 GMT 1
I notice that the new timetables due to start next week for both First and Centrebus's 757 Leeds-Airport route have been removed from Metro's list. This seems to indicate that there maybe some further developments/agreement yet to come. However, it is ironic that even if they do sort out who is going where and when - with the current air crisis...... passengers will not need to go there anyway!!
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