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Post by rossbailey on Apr 2, 2010 12:21:10 GMT 1
They may have registered it before LBA's decision. It's been on their website for a number of weeks now, so this may be the case. They are presumably in discussion with LBA. They also may have a point with the 947, terminating at Forster Square might not work, First were obviously trying to push for a 2 bus tender allowing running to the Interchange. TLC Travel's timetable will probably have very tight turnarounds at both ends just like the 653 does. So we could expect a cancellation of first's 757 service pretty soon. If not, i would expect Metro, Centrebus and LBIA will take them to court, 3 against 1 first are bound to loose. And what about a 947/653 inter-working at Bradford Interchange? I have heard that First still intend on operating the 757 as a rival commercial service even if LBA dont allow them in to the airport grounds. They are doing this as the new centrebus operation is been operated commercially Monday to Saturday 07:00 till 19:00. First are going to complain about this to the regulator as this would be against the competition rules. The way I look at this they should be allowed to compete against each other as long as First dont compete against centrebus on the tendered early & evening Monday to Saturday’s runs and all day Sunday services! Well that’s what I’ve been told anyway.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 2, 2010 12:40:15 GMT 1
Ah, but the airport still have the legal right to ban First from their grounds so First could complain, however it still won't give them the legal right to enter the Airport roads.
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Post by fwybuses on Apr 2, 2010 12:40:55 GMT 1
They are getting as bad as Ryanair with this bullying thing
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 2, 2010 12:48:19 GMT 1
I personally can't blame the Airport and Metro for getting tough with First, they have not ran the 757 well at all and the Airport have said that Centrebus have a better development plan for the 757 compared to First. I found it weird though that the 757 ran much better than the 33A, bearing in mind that the only place beyond Yeadon where the 33A would come accross problems was selfish parking Menston. This better running non the 757 was most probably down to the Airport's management getting on First's back and giving them the kick up the rear they badly need.
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Post by humberside on Apr 2, 2010 17:04:47 GMT 1
So we could expect a cancellation of first's 757 service pretty soon. If not, i would expect Metro, Centrebus and LBIA will take them to court, 3 against 1 first are bound to loose. On what basis? First are perfectly entitled to operate a service from Leeds to the airport boundary. Even if it's purpose could be considered 'underhand' that does not matter. I wonder if First really want to operate the 757 if they would be better operting through to Otley. Giving Pool it's Leeds link back again could create some goodwill and support The way I look at this they should be allowed to compete against each other as long as First dont compete against centrebus on the tendered early & evening Monday to Saturday’s runs and all day Sunday services! If want to operate evenings/Sundays/early mornings commercially let them. It would cancel the tender and save taxpayers money. Though the problem would be if First then decided to give up the service at those times, requiring an expensive emergency tender. However the airport could have to power here - grant First a license to operate onto the airport so long as the commit to the early morning/evening/Sunday service. Then if First withdrew the service at those times their daytime service would be banned from the airport. And then allow the same for Centrebus should they still be interested
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Post by Jack on Apr 2, 2010 17:18:42 GMT 1
I'm sure Metro would kick up a fuss at the idea though as keeping the current 757 service without actually going into LBIA grounds would compete against the tendered 967 extension to the airport. Therefore putting petrol on the fire about the need of Quality contracts in place.
However, if First wished to maintain goodwill and support from the residents of Pool, there's always the possibility of diverting the short X84 workings to run via Pool instead and run as the X85. I don't how the journey times would be lengthened but it surely wouldn't require that many extra buses (if at all) to do the diversion.
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Post by northerner on Apr 2, 2010 17:52:49 GMT 1
I personally can't blame the Airport and Metro for getting tough with First, they have not ran the 757 well at all How do you mean?? I use the 757 at least once a week and have never really had a problem with it, with it mostly running on time. And I can't think of one instance where the bus has failed to run at all. Turning late buses back at the Airport makes sense as it benefits the majority of passengers even if a few lose out.
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Post by humberside on Apr 3, 2010 10:51:01 GMT 1
I'm sure Metro would kick up a fuss at the idea though as keeping the current 757 service without actually going into LBIA grounds would compete against the tendered 967 extension to the airport. They might not be happy about it but since the 757 to Pool would probably leads to the cancellation or reduction in frequency of the 967 between the airport and Otley, First could claim they are saving taxpayers money
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 4, 2010 23:33:35 GMT 1
With the buses saved by not running the 757, if they don't run it that is, they could improve some other services in Wharfedale
- Run alternate X84's via Pool as X85's? - Run to/from Skipton every 30 mins? - Increase number of 33/33A journeys running full route? - Reintroduce 33/33A journeys to/from Ilkley?
What are the chances of that happening?
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Post by fwybuses on Apr 5, 2010 9:54:13 GMT 1
- Run alternate X84's via Pool as X85's? This would be a logical idea, but where is the spare few B9TL, X-Class coming from? Why not increase the service to every 10 minutes. Then have the X84 00,20,40 go to Ilkley and once to Skipon, and the X85 10,30,50 to Otley via pool. Okay its an increase, but it could happen. Reintroduce 33/33A journeys to/from Ilkley? They have re-introduced the 33/33A every 10 minutes upto Rawdon Cross Roads and 4 every hour upto Yeadon (Plus 3 of 97). This to me, implies that the 757 of first's is going. They probably wont introduce it back to Ilkley, even on an evening or Sunday as the train is a better alternative. - Increase number of 33/33A journeys running full route? Better still, get both of them to operate into Otley at every 10 minutes. Then have one of them not go into Menston.
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Post by Burnside on Apr 5, 2010 14:39:53 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 5, 2010 15:08:10 GMT 1
I wonder if the Interchange is even unlocked at that time on a Sunday morning?
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Post by Jack on Apr 5, 2010 16:04:48 GMT 1
Possibly as National Express will have early morning departures on Sundays.
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Post by Craig on Apr 5, 2010 21:29:38 GMT 1
I think it was always part of the improvements for the airport bus network to standardise timetables 7 days a week with early starts and late finish. AFAIK this will happen for the 737, 747 and 757. Also the 967 reduces to hourly on a Sunday but still starts early. Wasn't the 966 going to be increased in frequency and extended to the Airport, possibly as the 969? This seems to have been dropped now, perhaps because of the introduction of the 947? With the buses saved by not running the 757, if they don't run it that is, they could improve some other services in Wharfedale - Run alternate X84's via Pool as X85's? - Run to/from Skipton every 30 mins? - Increase number of 33/33A journeys running full route? - Reintroduce 33/33A journeys to/from Ilkley? What are the chances of that happening? To be fair to First, whether or not they are going to run the 757, they are putting extra resources into the 33/33A already with extra buses to Yeadon and buses via High Royds (does anyone know if this diversion is funded by the developers or not?). The only other thing they could do is extend more buses to Otley (unnecessary and would compete in part with the funded 967) or Ilkley (which already has excellent rail links). They should definitely reroute the short X84 workings through Pool, I'm quite surprised this isn't part of the upcoming changes.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 5, 2010 23:21:59 GMT 1
The 737 will continue as a 747 beyond the airport so It's sortof a circular service.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 5, 2010 23:26:38 GMT 1
In BRADFORD, the daytime service 670 680 and 681 will be about 10 mins later.
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Post by SF07 on Apr 6, 2010 15:54:35 GMT 1
New Timetables are up for services 8, 15, 85/87/87A, 145/148/149/150, 153, 402/403, 425/427, 443/444, 508, 571/572, 670, 680, 747 and 947Of those timetables: *15 - Runs every hour terminating at Coal Hill Drive with 5 minute wait before returning to Bradford. No evening journeys. *85 - First journey of the day from Bramley starts from Pudsey (Chapeltown weekdays, bus station Saturdays) *508 - Journey time from Leeds to Halifax now 1 hour 15 minutes, increases to 1 hour 33 minutes at peak times. Journey times from Halifax to Leeds now 1 hour 20 minutes, increases to nearly 1 hour 40 minutes at peak times *747 - Like the 737 running every hour, from 5.10am to 11.10pm from Bradford and 6.40am to 10.40pm then 11.30pm and 11.50pm. Last 747 from Bradford returns to Bradford as a 747. * 947 - Runs every hour from 8am until 6pm Monday-Saturday. Other timetables: 8, 150, 153, 402/403, 425/427, 443/444, 571, 670, 680
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Post by mjn on Apr 6, 2010 23:55:42 GMT 1
How do you mean?? I use the 757 at least once a week and have never really had a problem with it, with it mostly running on time. And I can't think of one instance where the bus has failed to run at all. Turning late buses back at the Airport makes sense as it benefits the majority of passengers even if a few lose out. I think you've answered your own question. What actually makes sense is having a timetable that bears a very strong resemblance to reality.
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Post by timelesstable on Apr 7, 2010 7:17:39 GMT 1
New Timetables are up for services 8, 15, 85/87/87A, 145/148/149/150, 153, 402/403, 425/427, 443/444, 508, 571/572, 670, 680, 747 and 947Of those timetables: *15 - Runs every hour terminating at Coal Hill Drive with 5 minute wait before returning to Bradford. No evening journeys. *85 - First journey of the day from Bramley starts from Pudsey (Chapeltown weekdays, bus station Saturdays) *508 - Journey time from Leeds to Halifax now 1 hour 15 minutes, increases to 1 hour 33 minutes at peak times. Journey times from Halifax to Leeds now 1 hour 20 minutes, increases to nearly 1 hour 40 minutes at peak times *747 - Like the 737 running every hour, from 5.10am to 11.10pm from Bradford and 6.40am to 10.40pm then 11.30pm and 11.50pm. Last 747 from Bradford returns to Bradford as a 747. * 947 - Runs every hour from 8am until 6pm Monday-Saturday. Other timetables: 8, 150, 153, 402/403, 443/444, 571, 670, 680The sat nav for 443/4 in other timetables needs re-programming unless you want to go to Bradford!
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Post by SF07 on Apr 7, 2010 13:22:07 GMT 1
Links changed above on 425/427 and 443/444. New timetables today for services 100, 101/103, 108 (those 3 just route changes rather than times), 163/166, 184/185/189 and 650/652/654/737/963. The timings on the 650 and 963 (run by First) are interesting now compared to the 737 (run by Centrebus). In the evenings, the 737 leaves Bradford at xx40, while the 963 leaves at xx55. From Shipley to Bradford, the 737 leaves at xx38 and the 963 leaves at xx50 On Sundays, the 737 and 650 both leave Bradford at xx40 with both running to Guiseley via Shipley (650 being quicker by 7 minutes). But a more even balance on the return from Shipley with the 650 at xx13 (arriving at Bradford at xx31) and the 737 at xx38 (arriving at xx01). Timetables: 100, 101/103, 108, 163/166, 184/185/189, 650
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Post by rossbailey on Apr 7, 2010 16:54:20 GMT 1
Hi All Just noticed that Dales & District have the timetable up for there newly aquired Harrogate to Airport, 767 service now online which they take over from Harrogate and District on Sunday, April 17th. By the looks of things there are no timetable changes as it remains operated every 90 mins every day. www.dalesanddistrict.co.uk/pdf/767.pdfBy way do we know what type of Bus Dales and District will be using for this service yet??
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Post by sharksmith on Apr 9, 2010 8:25:54 GMT 1
You do have to wonder sometimes if anybody, except us, ever talks to each other about transport matters.
With the introduction of two new routes into Bradford Forster Square, the 747 & 947, have there been any changes to this area to make things easier for buses around the often congested St Blaise Way?
Yes, there has, the bus stop, and only suitable layby not used by taxi's has been almost completely paved over! It's to be hoped that TLC's 947 arrives late in Bradford on each journey because I can't see where they can park up a bus, even a Solo, for the five minutes between arrival and departure.
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Post by Jack on Apr 9, 2010 10:51:53 GMT 1
First have loaded all their new timetables onto their websites. The Leeds ones can be viewed hereIt's interesting to note that they have included the 757 timetable so looks like the issues regarding who will operate this service hasn't been resolved.
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Post by Jack on Apr 9, 2010 13:03:27 GMT 1
Both Centrebus and First will be running the 757. Here's what is said on the Metro website:
Centrebus will operate daily from Leeds Bradford International Airport to Leeds Bus Station every half hour from 5am until 8pm and then hourly until midnight. In Leeds City Centre the service will operate towards the bus station via The Headrow, Park Row, City Square, Boar Lane, Duncan Street and York Street. Journeys towards the Airport will operate via Leeds Rail Station and Wellington Street.
First will operate a half-hourly service between Leeds Rail Station and the Airport between 7am and 7pm, Monday to Saturday only.
Journeys between Otley, Pool and the Airport will now be provided by revised service 967, every half hour. This service will connect with departures on Centrebus's 757 service, allowing a six-minute interchange, and through tickets will be available.
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 9, 2010 13:17:40 GMT 1
First's 757 will not serve Leeds Bus Station according to the timetable
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