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Post by WYBS on Aug 28, 2022 12:38:26 GMT 1
Alex Hornby has teased what may potentially be a new service or upgrade on Twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 16:01:40 GMT 1
If they are using the Sky Class buses it doesn't look to be any prospect of the City zap going back to half hourly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 17:50:02 GMT 1
If they are using the Sky Class buses it doesn't look to be any prospect of the City zap going back to half hourly. Burnley should have a couple spare as well,with Witchway remaining every 20 mins (previously every 15) I Wonder if its connected to the recent opening of the ELOR,with the first of the new housing being built as well - either that or taking on Firsts X98/9.
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Post by Username on Aug 28, 2022 17:53:57 GMT 1
If it is a new service to Wetherby I don't understand why they would waste SkyClass for that. Why not put it on the Hotline or Aireline?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 18:02:29 GMT 1
If it is a new service to Wetherby I don't understand why they would waste SkyClass for that. Why not put it on the Hotline or Aireline? I Don't think theres enough ADLs spare to cover the PVR of either of them routes.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 28, 2022 18:11:52 GMT 1
If they are using the Sky Class buses it doesn't look to be any prospect of the City zap going back to half hourly. Burnley should have a couple spare as well,with Witchway remaining every 20 mins (previously every 15) I Wonder if its connected to the recent opening of the ELOR,with the first of the new housing being built as well - either that or taking on Firsts X98/9. It would seem odd to start a competing service when they're running on reduced frequencies on several existing routes, with cancellations being common, too.
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Post by leeds rider on Aug 28, 2022 18:17:06 GMT 1
Could just be an upgrade on The7.
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Post by WYBS on Aug 28, 2022 18:24:42 GMT 1
Could just be an upgrade on The7. Don't think so. Assuming that 2 buses are staying branded for Cityzap; there wouldn't be enough vehicles for the 7. Plus I believe the 7 is getting electric buses relatively soon (with the 36 and all other routes that were part of the ZEBRA funding).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 18:26:40 GMT 1
Burnley should have a couple spare as well,with Witchway remaining every 20 mins (previously every 15) I Wonder if its connected to the recent opening of the ELOR,with the first of the new housing being built as well - either that or taking on Firsts X98/9. It would seem odd to start a competing service when they're running on reduced frequencies on several existing routes, with cancellations being common, too. Sorry i should of phased it better,i was thinking taking over the X98/9 from First rather than competing with them,the PVR of that is 4? so the 2 redundant Cityzaps & 2 spare from the Witchway reduction adds up. I Agree with the ongoing cancellations taking on new work is questionable,but if it turns out First did want to drop the X98/9 i'm guessing Transdev would want to jump onto the routes rather than let them go to Connexions.
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Post by WYBS on Aug 28, 2022 18:31:03 GMT 1
It would seem odd to start a competing service when they're running on reduced frequencies on several existing routes, with cancellations being common, too. Sorry i should of phased it better,i was thinking taking over the X98/9 from First rather than competing with them,the PVR of that is 4? so the 2 redundant Cityzaps & 2 spare from the Witchway reduction adds up. I Agree with the ongoing cancellations taking on new work is questionable,but if it turns out First did want to drop the X98/9 i'm guessing Transdev would want to jump onto the routes rather than let them go to Connexions. It's an odd scenario. I can see many routes that First would drop before they would give up the X98/99, but it makes sense that Transdev would be chomping at the bit for them if it was the case. I can't see Transdev running a direct service between Wetherby and Leeds. The custom isn't there and there's already 4 buses an hour between the two places.
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Post by WYBS on Aug 28, 2022 18:42:48 GMT 1
A First driver on Facebook is pretty adamant that it's the X98/99. That's good enough for me
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 28, 2022 19:37:10 GMT 1
Other options would be if they split the 7 at Wetherby and used the SkyClass buses on the Leeds side, or alternatively some sort of developer funded new route associated with the ELOR opening. The X98/X99 would make the most sense though
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 28, 2022 20:50:51 GMT 1
Anything ELOR related will be some way off. They've not even broke ground for the housing.
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Post by davopazza on Aug 30, 2022 17:44:46 GMT 1
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Post by guyarab on Aug 31, 2022 19:44:28 GMT 1
A First driver on Facebook is pretty adamant that it's the X98/99. That's good enough for me I too have heard that Transdev are taking over the X98/99 from First..
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Post by WYBS on Aug 31, 2022 19:47:00 GMT 1
A First driver on Facebook is pretty adamant that it's the X98/99. That's good enough for me I too have heard that Transdev are taking over the X98/99 from First.. It's confirmed now
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Post by A1YBG on Aug 31, 2022 21:27:38 GMT 1
I too have heard that Transdev are taking over the X98/99 from First.. It's confirmed now That was confirmed yesterday. Runour has it that CityZap is coming to an end. How true that is I don't know. Anyone shed any light into that?.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 31, 2022 21:44:45 GMT 1
That was confirmed yesterday. Runour has it that CityZap is coming to an end. How true that is I don't know. Anyone shed any light into that?. Where did you hear this rumour?
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Post by Username on Aug 31, 2022 22:09:56 GMT 1
That was confirmed yesterday. Rumour has it that CityZap is coming to an end. How true that is I don't know. Anyone shed any light into that?. That was a rumour started because people heard the words Sky Class and panicked. I am pretty sure that the X98/X99 will be using some ex Cityzap vehicles as well as ex Witchway buses. I swear everyone forgets witchway has had a frequency reduction and that the brand even exists.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 31, 2022 22:18:13 GMT 1
I’ve had a look at the Witchway timetable, and it’s a PVR of 11 now with 14 buses allocated, and one of those 11 looks to be peaks only at that so it’s too many and they have no other use at Burnley
So 2 buses from WW and 2 buses from CZ would make up the 4 bus PVR on the X98/X99
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 3, 2022 14:17:47 GMT 1
Nice that all the routes from Leeds to Wetherby will be Transdev. Admittedly it will make Wetherby feel more like North Yorkshire than West Yorkshire.
It is therefore odd that they proclaim to be coming to Wetherby, as they already go there with route 7.
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 3, 2022 18:14:17 GMT 1
Nice that all the routes from Leeds to Wetherby will be Transdev. Admittedly it will make Wetherby feel more like North Yorkshire than West Yorkshire. It is therefore odd that they proclaim to be coming to Wetherby, as they already go there with route 7. and 8 but the reference is to Sky Class.
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Post by lucyp on Sept 21, 2022 15:22:50 GMT 1
Why is it "nice"? First are more reliable than Transdev at the moment. There are far more cancellations with Transdev on the 7 than there are with First on the X98/99. Transdev will also need to put some decent buses on the X98/99, as First have new Streetdecks, with leather seats. Transdev have old, worn-out buses on the 7.
The X98 and especially the 99 is a terrible service which is why it is so underused. It serves the most affluent area in the whole of the Leeds City Council area - Linton, and it takes nearly an hour to complete the 11 mile journey. The current timetable allows a 5 or 6 minute turnaround in Leeds and Wetherby, so at peak hours, the service is frequently late. Off-peak, the bus has to wait at stops so as not to leave early, then meets congestion in Leeds and arrives late. No one is ever going to be tempted to leave their Ferraris and Rolls-Royces in their multi-million £ houses, on Linton Lane, and use the bus, even though it goes right past them.
The fare has been reduced to £2 single recently, which makes it half the cost of travelling into Harrogate, but the service is far too slow. The travelling distance is hardly any more than the distance to Harrogate, yet the journey takes at least twice as long.
The 7 is slower still to Leeds as that is even more indirect.
The taxi provision in Wetherby is woeful. The railway closed with Dr. B. Before Connexions (who, amazingly, are now also more reliable than Transdev!) turned up, the service to Harrogate used to be indirect with Transdev.
There is definitely a market for a direct, rapid bus service from Wetherby to Leeds.
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Post by WYBS on Sept 21, 2022 15:30:38 GMT 1
Why is it "nice"? First are more reliable than Transdev at the moment. There are far more cancellations with Transdev on the 7 than there are with First on the X98/99. Transdev will also need to put some decent buses on the X98/99, as First have new Streetdecks, with leather seats. Transdev have old, worn-out buses on the 7. The X98 and especially the 99 is a terrible service which is why it is so underused. It serves the most affluent area in the whole of the Leeds City Council area - Linton, and it takes nearly an hour to complete the 11 mile journey. The current timetable allows a 5 or 6 minute turnaround in Leeds and Wetherby, so at peak hours, the service is frequently late. Off-peak, the bus has to wait at stops so as not to leave early, then meets congestion in Leeds and arrives late. No one is ever going to be tempted to leave their Ferraris and Rolls-Royces in their multi-million £ houses, on Linton Lane, and use the bus, even though it goes right past them. The fare has been reduced to £2 single recently, which makes it half the cost of travelling into Harrogate, but the service is far too slow. The travelling distance is hardly any more than the distance to Harrogate, yet the journey takes at least twice as long. The 7 is slower still to Leeds as that is even more indirect. The taxi provision in Wetherby is woeful. The railway closed with Dr. B. Before Connexions (who, amazingly, are now also more reliable than Transdev!) turned up, the service to Harrogate used to be indirect with Transdev. There is definitely a market for a direct, rapid bus service from Wetherby to Leeds. Streetdecks with *e-leather seats that bark out the next stop via some automated voice and are shown on a screen that isn't calibrated properly. Sounds like my dream way of travelling! I'd take the interior of a Transdev Eclipse any day of the week. The ex CityZap/ Witchways that will (presumably) be going on there have nicer interiors than anything within the FirstBus UK fleet.
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Post by kendall17 on Sept 21, 2022 15:43:12 GMT 1
There is definitely a market for a direct, rapid bus service from Wetherby to Leeds. Is there a route for it? A58 isn't exactly the fastest road out there & can get snarled up as you head towards Leeds.
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