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Post by stephen01 on Mar 9, 2021 16:15:40 GMT 1
Hmm 110 should be Wakefield Line as it is direct The 110's I've seen today between Kettlethorpe/Hall Green were displaying Kettlethorpe Line I've seen them with both showing. Some of the other routes like the 103 for example just display route number & destination. When i've seen them i'm put in mind of the roller blinds & flipdot ones of 20-30 years ago.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 9, 2021 19:28:19 GMT 1
281 & 283 are classed as Batley Line.
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Post by adam on Mar 9, 2021 19:50:47 GMT 1
The 110's I've seen today between Kettlethorpe/Hall Green were displaying Kettlethorpe Line I've seen them with both showing. Some of the other routes like the 103 for example just display route number & destination. When i've seen them i'm put in mind of the roller blinds & flipdot ones of 20-30 years ago. I saw the 103 this afternoon and seems a massive step backwards to lose the via points or some of the via points in exchange for a unhelpful xxx line
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Post by Penfold on Mar 9, 2021 20:27:12 GMT 1
Hmm 110 should be Wakefield Line as it is direct The 110's I've seen today between Kettlethorpe/Hall Green were displaying Kettlethorpe Line There are now 2 code numbers for each direction on the running boards. The destination blind is supposed to be changed at Wakefield Bus Station to show the correct 'line' Penfold
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 9, 2021 20:47:46 GMT 1
I've seen them with both showing. Some of the other routes like the 103 for example just display route number & destination. When i've seen them i'm put in mind of the roller blinds & flipdot ones of 20-30 years ago. I saw the 103 this afternoon and seems a massive step backwards to lose the via points or some of the via points in exchange for a unhelpful xxx line 101, 103, 108, 197 and 100 from what i've seen today just show route number and destination like the Rollerblind, Flipdot & Brightech destination displays yet the font for route number on the rear destinations are still previous one and same for the side ones.
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Post by jst on Mar 9, 2021 21:06:43 GMT 1
The 110's I've seen today between Kettlethorpe/Hall Green were displaying Kettlethorpe Line There are now 2 code numbers for each direction on the running boards. The destination blind is supposed to be changed at Wakefield Bus Station to show the correct 'line' Penfold Something else for drivers to try and remember! The whole scheme is a waste of time....
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 10, 2021 13:02:37 GMT 1
163, 164 & 166 are classed as Greengates Line.
254, 254A & 255 are classed as Cleckheaton Line.
167, 168, 410 & 411 are classed as Castleford Line.
202 & 203 have 2 lines like the 110 it transpires which are Mirfield Line as i've mentioned previously but also White Rose Line like the 117, 118, 118A, 200, 201 & 201A.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 13:16:28 GMT 1
156 and 159 are the Airedale line I imagine 184 will be as well
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:39:00 GMT 1
163, 164 & 166 are classed as Greengates Line. 254, 254A & 255 are classed as Cleckheaton Line. 167, 168, 410 & 411 are classed as Castleford Line. 202 & 203 have 2 lines like the 110 it transpires which are Mirfield Line as i've mentioned previously but also White Rose Line like the 117, 118, 118A, 200, 201 & 201A. I could have sworn it said Cross Gates Line. I saw a number of 163s and 166s an hour ago in Cas, could have sworn it said Cross Gates Line.
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Post by jdodger08 on Mar 10, 2021 14:44:45 GMT 1
But who is telling the public about this scheme? Metro website doesn't seem to mention anything.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 10, 2021 15:15:20 GMT 1
163, 164 & 166 are classed as Greengates Line. 254, 254A & 255 are classed as Cleckheaton Line. 167, 168, 410 & 411 are classed as Castleford Line. 202 & 203 have 2 lines like the 110 it transpires which are Mirfield Line as i've mentioned previously but also White Rose Line like the 117, 118, 118A, 200, 201 & 201A. I could have sworn it said Cross Gates Line. I saw a number of 163s and 166s an hour ago in Cas, could have sworn it said Cross Gates Line. Thinking it's a typo
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Post by Penfold on Mar 10, 2021 17:17:16 GMT 1
There are now 2 code numbers for each direction on the running boards. The destination blind is supposed to be changed at Wakefield Bus Station to show the correct 'line' Penfold Something else for drivers to try and remember! The whole scheme is a waste of time.... ***UPDATE*** The blinds are actually set to change automatically on approach to Wakefield Bus Station (on the 110's) and also on the likes of services 117, 118 etc at the White Rose Centre. Penfold
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Post by steviewevie on Mar 11, 2021 10:19:00 GMT 1
Having seen a 444 and 446 both showing the destination of the bus as 'Wakefield' with 'Wakefield Line' underneath I fail to see the point of this particularly as neither service runs every 15 minutes. Seems like a waste of time and money to me.
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Post by westriding on Mar 11, 2021 10:46:27 GMT 1
Precisely steviewevie, how much time and taxpayers money has been spent by WYCA on this foolishness.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 11, 2021 11:49:57 GMT 1
156 and 159 are the Airedale line I imagine 184 will be as well It's a good job the railways stopped using line names because the Airedale line was always the Leeds/Bradford to Skipton train! Airedale to me has always been to the west of Leeds, I was probably in my twenties before I realised it continued on to the east. One thing this whole process has achieved is uniting this forum, I can't remember a topic which as had so much of a consensus of opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 12:04:36 GMT 1
156 and 159 are the Airedale line I imagine 184 will be as well It's a good job the railways stopped using line names because the Airedale line was always the Leeds/Bradford to Skipton train! Airedale to me has always been to the west of Leeds, I was probably in my twenties before I realised it continued on to the east. One thing this whole process has achieved is uniting this forum, I can't remember a topic which as had so much of a consensus of opinion. I always thought Airedale was the Leeds to Skipton Train as well! Wasn't until I moved to Yorkshire I found out there was another Airedale in Castleford. Back on topic, I don't see the point of this, just going to make it confusing for the public and bus drivers alike. I thought these lines was for Leeds routes only at first, so why are the 156/159 getting one, goes nowhere near Leeds.
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Post by dlspotter on Mar 11, 2021 14:26:26 GMT 1
It's a good job the railways stopped using line names because the Airedale line was always the Leeds/Bradford to Skipton train! Airedale to me has always been to the west of Leeds, I was probably in my twenties before I realised it continued on to the east. One thing this whole process has achieved is uniting this forum, I can't remember a topic which as had so much of a consensus of opinion. I always thought Airedale was the Leeds to Skipton Train as well! Wasn't until I moved to Yorkshire I found out there was another Airedale in Castleford. Back on topic, I don't see the point of this, just going to make it confusing for the public and bus drivers alike. I thought these lines was for Leeds routes only at first, so why are the 156/159 getting one, goes nowhere near Leeds. Think every large town/city is having them implemented at once
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Post by guyarab on Mar 11, 2021 16:15:18 GMT 1
It's a good job the railways stopped using line names because the Airedale line was always the Leeds/Bradford to Skipton train! Airedale to me has always been to the west of Leeds, I was probably in my twenties before I realised it continued on to the east. One thing this whole process has achieved is uniting this forum, I can't remember a topic which as had so much of a consensus of opinion. I always thought Airedale was the Leeds to Skipton Train as well! Wasn't until I moved to Yorkshire I found out there was another Airedale in Castleford. Back on topic, I don't see the point of this, just going to make it confusing for the public and bus drivers alike. I thought these lines was for Leeds routes only at first, so why are the 156/159 getting one, goes nowhere near Leeds. To me, Airedale has always been the Castleford area. Towns to the north west of Leeds (Guiseley, Horsforth, Rawdon and Yeadon) were known as Aireborough before being incorporated into Leeds, so the Airedale line was incorrectly named for the locality it served. These straplines that WYCA has introduced makes no sense to me and I doubt they will sway the current non-transport user over to public transport.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 11, 2021 16:49:34 GMT 1
156 and 159 are the Airedale line I imagine 184 will be as well It's a good job the railways stopped using line names because the Airedale line was always the Leeds/Bradford to Skipton train! Airedale to me has always been to the west of Leeds, I was probably in my twenties before I realised it continued on to the east. Metro still refers to the Airedale line. www.wymetro.com/trains/train-timetables/
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 11, 2021 16:54:47 GMT 1
I always thought Airedale was the Leeds to Skipton Train as well! Wasn't until I moved to Yorkshire I found out there was another Airedale in Castleford. Back on topic, I don't see the point of this, just going to make it confusing for the public and bus drivers alike. I thought these lines was for Leeds routes only at first, so why are the 156/159 getting one, goes nowhere near Leeds. To me, Airedale has always been the Castleford area. Towns to the north west of Leeds (Guiseley, Horsforth, Rawdon and Yeadon) were known as Aireborough before being incorporated into Leeds, so the Airedale line was incorrectly named for the locality it served. These straplines that WYCA has introduced makes no sense to me and I doubt they will sway the current non-transport user over to public transport. I suppose it depends where you were brought up, I always associate the Dales with Skipton and North Yorkshire so with the Aire starting in Malham it always made more sense to me for Airedale to be Skipton to Leeds. I assume this is why Airedale Hospital is situated between Skipton and Keighley. Also the Airedale terriers ancestors were known as Bingley Terriers another stop on the railway line. The dictionary definition of a Dale is a valley, I always think of the areas east of Leeds as being more flat but I might be wrong. Guiseley station was actually on the Wharfedale line so as this is the line to Ilkley it makes some sense. The Aire clearly flows through both areas so I don't suppose either is really wrong.
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Post by joseph on Mar 11, 2021 18:34:26 GMT 1
Going slightly off topic, but related to some posts above, strictly speaking the Dales version of Airedale is the collection of villages South of Skipton and North of Keighley, e.g. Lothersdale, Bradley etc. Skipton all the way up to the Ingleton area comes under Craven and is split between Ribblesdale/Malhamdale. Aireborough no longer exists as this was swallowed up some time in the 70s by, yes you've guessed it, greedy Leeds lol. I'm not 100% certian, but I believe Wharfedale doesn't really start until just past urban Guiseley/Menston, I think Hawksworth at the edge of the moors comes under Wharfedale, and obviously Burley in Wharfedale does.
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Post by chas on Mar 11, 2021 18:46:25 GMT 1
Going slightly off topic, but related to some posts above, strictly speaking the Dales version of Airedale is the collection of villages South of Skipton and North of Keighley, e.g. Lothersdale, Bradley etc. Skipton all the way up to the Ingleton area comes under Cravendale. Aireborough no longer exists as this was swallowed up some time in the 70s by, yes you've guessed it, greedy Leeds lol. I'm not 100% certian, but I believe Wharfedale doesn't really start until just past urban Guiseley/Menston, I think Hawksworth at the edge of the moors comes under Wharfedale, and obviously Burley in Wharfedale does. I lived in Bingley which is in Airedale. Anything in the River Aire valley above Leeds is Airedale, below it is not a dale at all. Wharfdale starts at Wetherby, Otley,Ilkley and so on. Guiseley sits on the watershed between the two but since the rail line goes through Guiseley to get to Ilkley, it makes sense to include it in Wharfdale for me. What councils want to call themselves does not affect things. Guiseley and Rawdon used to be referred to as Aireborough.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Mar 11, 2021 22:49:17 GMT 1
I've decided to do the work for Connecting Leeds and re-name every main First service as follows. 1 The Old Line (as in the oldest route in Leeds) 2/12 Mid-Moor Line (as in half of Middleton and Moortown combined) 3/3A Lidget Rose Line (Lidget Lane and White Rose combined) 4/4G East West Line 5 City Line 6 Holt Line West 7 group under Super Line 8 Holt Line East 13/13A Wood Line (Brakenwood and Middleton Woods lol) 16/A Wander Line 19/A The Traveller 27 Trinity Line 28 Adel Line 33/4 North West Line 40 East Leeds Circuit 42 Old Fearn Line (Old Farnley/Fearnville combined) 49 Bramgate Line (Bramley and Monkswood Gate combined 50/A Horscroft Line (Horsforth and Seacroft combined) 51/52 Morley Moor Line (a nod to both Morley and Moor Allerton, although you could also call it Elland Moor Line) 56 Grangemoor Line (Whinmoor and Moor Grange combined) 64 named as it is by Connexions (as in The 64) 74 and 75 given the title Southern Connect as they connect virtually every bit of suburban south Leeds 91 given the title East-North-West link for obvious reasons X98 and X99 titled Wetherby Express Each service would have an individual colour attached, including the use of multicolour on some lines (like they have done to show the X10) to aid easy reading. Now, groups of services that serve a major area would simply be coded with a thick black line on the map to indicate the area is served by many different services, with the names of these services placed in a box alongside the line. I'd leave many of the Arriva services alone to be honest, as although they do provide frequent services in Leeds, it's really hard to put them under a particular line name due to serving so many areas/towns on route. About the only one you could name is the 444, which could come under Rothwell Line. Even though I do say so myself, I think I've done a better job lol. 229 is now classed as Heckmondwike Line from what i've seen tonight and i've seen on Flickr 202 & 203 are classed as Mirfield Line. 202 & 203 show Dewsbury & Leeds 'Mirfield Line', between Huddersfield and Dewsbury, staff are then meant to change the Desti, at Dewsbury to show Leeds 'White Rose Line', although today, a couple of drivers decided to show Leeds 'White Rose Line', from Huddersfield 😂
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 12, 2021 6:52:20 GMT 1
229 is now classed as Heckmondwike Line from what i've seen tonight and i've seen on Flickr 202 & 203 are classed as Mirfield Line. 202 & 203 show Dewsbury & Leeds 'Mirfield Line', between Huddersfield and Dewsbury, staff are then meant to change the Desti, at Dewsbury to show Leeds 'White Rose Line', although today, a couple of drivers decided to show Leeds 'White Rose Line', from Huddersfield 😂 it's getting crazy. I know CT Plus have adopted the "colour" overground line system for their Huddersfield routes before all this started with the "tourist hotspot" line system recently introduced.
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Post by yorkslad on Mar 12, 2021 13:06:49 GMT 1
It's a good job the railways stopped using line names because the Airedale line was always the Leeds/Bradford to Skipton train! Airedale to me has always been to the west of Leeds, I was probably in my twenties before I realised it continued on to the east. Metro still refers to the Airedale line. www.wymetro.com/trains/train-timetables/Airedale, Caldervale, Harrogate, Hallam, Three Rivers (Wakefield), Wharfedale etc lines predate Metro by a few years. I've seen them marked - with the same colours as now - on a 1973 poster.
On topic: it's ironic that these line names have been put out to pasture by WYCA the last few years in favour of letting the train operators do what they want, while at the same time imposing mostly nonsensical names on bus routes...
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