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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 13, 2019 19:30:05 GMT 1
The latest Connecting Leeds proposals have been produced leedscitycentretransport.commonplace.is/overviewSome interesting bits, notably New Briggate closing to traffic with Upper Vicar Lane becoming two way, Park Row becoming one way and Infirmary Street being completely transformed with Two way traffic. A new right turn from Bishopgate Street to Boar Lane (for the likes of the 200-203 to use) is also a big improvement |
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Post by twansport on Mar 14, 2019 8:33:44 GMT 1
Yes they look good. I would encourage everyone to support these. I am a little worried that an opportunity for a bus only lane north from city square to the western end of Headrow is being missed.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 12, 2020 17:32:31 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Jun 12, 2020 19:48:27 GMT 1
When did the 747 become "Flying Tiger"?
I know that was used to advertise the airport services, but i don't remember it replacing the route number.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 12, 2020 20:02:18 GMT 1
When did the 747 become "Flying Tiger"? I know that was used to advertise the airport services, but i don't remember it replacing the route number. its still is the 747 its own right just like 737 & 757. If the destination blind is playing up then they will display the subsidery name "flying tiger" or Yorkshire Tiger. The drivers display it normally when on layover at Leeds Bus Station or Bradford Interchange and sometimes dont change it |
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Post by deerfold on Jun 12, 2020 21:07:57 GMT 1
When did the 747 become "Flying Tiger"? I know that was used to advertise the airport services, but i don't remember it replacing the route number. its still is the 747 its own right just like 737 & 757. If the destination blind is playing up then they will display the subsidery name "flying tiger" or Yorkshire Tiger. The drivers display it normally when on layover at Leeds Bus Station or Bradford Interchange and sometimes dont change it I wonder why they're calling it Flying Tiger in this document. |
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Post by twansport on Jun 12, 2020 21:34:27 GMT 1
Probably just what happened. Don’t read into it too much but probably worth pointing out the new operator in passing.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 12, 2020 22:05:29 GMT 1
When did the 747 become "Flying Tiger"? I know that was used to advertise the airport services, but i don't remember it replacing the route number. I wouldn’t bother obsessing over that as we know by the time these designs are finalised and implemented it won’t be Flying Tiger anyway |
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Post by jonny182 on Jul 6, 2020 7:32:05 GMT 1
The new bus stops with the real time departures are very useful. It is a bit hard to read when it is dark and the bus stop number "R7" on South Parade is a bit small to read from afar. A great improvement though for passengers and for real time information. The INFO button, when pressed, will read out the stop name and current departures which is useful when the display is hard to read. It will be good if all bus stop flags have a real time departure board. Also, it looks like some First Group Leeds City branding has occurred on some of the bus stops in Morley. Attachments:
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Post by twansport on Jul 6, 2020 17:20:21 GMT 1
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Post by granger on Nov 24, 2020 3:07:35 GMT 1
From Jan 2021, Infirmary Street and the top end of Vicar Lane will become bi-directional. Will be interesting how this will affect certain bus routes.
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Post by yorkslad on Nov 24, 2020 17:19:54 GMT 1
From Jan 2021, Infirmary Street and the top end of Vicar Lane will become bi-directional. Will be interesting how this will affect certain bus routes. Didn't realise they'd started work on the north end of Vicar Lane, let alone have it completed in two months!
From memory, the changes on Infirmary Street would be things like the 1, 19 & 19A northbound running up Park Row (City Square) and left. Service 5 might do similar, makes more sense than Wellington Street and King Street. The Arriva 20x services were supposed to be turning right at Bishopsgate Street along the current cycle path but that wasn't built when I looked last (last week).
Vicar Lane: anything that used to turn up New Briggate will turn up Vicar Lane instead, so that New Briggate can become pedestrianised/squared as far as Mark Lane. I think there were plans for general traffic on Templar Street and Lady Lane as well.
Should improve punctuality of services, but at the cost of penetration in some places (New Briggate, Call Lane) when all completed. Lower Briggate needs to become two-way as well, when Call Lane closes.
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Post by leeds rider on Nov 24, 2020 18:36:25 GMT 1
From Jan 2021, Infirmary Street and the top end of Vicar Lane will become bi-directional. Will be interesting how this will affect certain bus routes. Didn't realise they'd started work on the north end of Vicar Lane, let alone have it completed in two months!
From memory, the changes on Infirmary Street would be things like the 1, 19 & 19A northbound running up Park Row (City Square) and left. Service 5 might do similar, makes more sense than Wellington Street and King Street. The Arriva 20x services were supposed to be turning right at Bishopsgate Street along the current cycle path but that wasn't built when I looked last (last week).
Vicar Lane: anything that used to turn up New Briggate will turn up Vicar Lane instead, so that New Briggate can become pedestrianised/squared as far as Mark Lane. I think there were plans for general traffic on Templar Street and Lady Lane as well.
Should improve punctuality of services, but at the cost of penetration in some places (New Briggate, Call Lane) when all completed. Lower Briggate needs to become two-way as well, when Call Lane closes.
According to the plans (haven't been there to look in person!) Park Row becomes southbound only - anything currently running from Bishopgate Street or Boar Lane via Quebec Street/Infirmary Street/Park Row to The Headrow will instead go the opposite way across City Square and along Infirmary Street and then up East Parade before turning left or right to resume the existing route. The latest plans for the Call Lane / Lower Briggate area seem to have Lower Briggate remaining one-way northbound, and Call Lane staying open to traffic but with wider footpaths and narrower carriageway, with pedestrian tables and no bus stops - not sure where buses currently stopping there will be redistributed to. Going to seem very strange around town when I do eventually get back there - normally I'd have been walking around in lunch hours whilst it was all going on so would have adapted gradually as things changed. |
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Post by yorkslad on Nov 24, 2020 20:37:45 GMT 1
Didn't realise they'd started work on the north end of Vicar Lane, let alone have it completed in two months!
From memory, the changes on Infirmary Street would be things like the 1, 19 & 19A northbound running up Park Row (City Square) and left. Service 5 might do similar, makes more sense than Wellington Street and King Street. The Arriva 20x services were supposed to be turning right at Bishopsgate Street along the current cycle path but that wasn't built when I looked last (last week).
Vicar Lane: anything that used to turn up New Briggate will turn up Vicar Lane instead, so that New Briggate can become pedestrianised/squared as far as Mark Lane. I think there were plans for general traffic on Templar Street and Lady Lane as well.
Should improve punctuality of services, but at the cost of penetration in some places (New Briggate, Call Lane) when all completed. Lower Briggate needs to become two-way as well, when Call Lane closes.
According to the plans (haven't been there to look in person!) Park Row becomes southbound only - anything currently running from Bishopgate Street or Boar Lane via Quebec Street/Infirmary Street/Park Row to The Headrow will instead go the opposite way across City Square and along Infirmary Street and then up East Parade before turning left or right to resume the existing route. The latest plans for the Call Lane / Lower Briggate area seem to have Lower Briggate remaining one-way northbound, and Call Lane staying open to traffic but with wider footpaths and narrower carriageway, with pedestrian tables and no bus stops - not sure where buses currently stopping there will be redistributed to. Going to seem very strange around town when I do eventually get back there - normally I'd have been walking around in lunch hours whilst it was all going on so would have adapted gradually as things changed.
Sorry - that was me being a pedant. Park Row runs all the way down to the junction with Wellington Street so, technically, they will be running up Park Row to turn left onto Infirmary Street. Park Row is one-way downhill as far as Infirmary Street, with a new cycle lane. Hopefully they will put in a crossing point at the bottom, it's very confusing there now that the old crossing has gone and the road is wider.
Pity about the change of plan for Call Lane, it made sense given that Call Lane gets closed for events sometimes and in evenings (same rationale as Cookridge Street, really), hence the large swing gate. I know they've started work on Duncan Street, removing the central reservation. Call Lane at the Corn Exchange was supposed to close, so eastbound buses would turn up Vicar Lane then left onto Kirkgate to resume the route by the Post Office.
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Post by granger on Nov 24, 2020 22:07:17 GMT 1
From Jan 2021, Infirmary Street and the top end of Vicar Lane will become bi-directional. Will be interesting how this will affect certain bus routes. Didn't realise they'd started work on the north end of Vicar Lane, let alone have it completed in two months!
From memory, the changes on Infirmary Street would be things like the 1, 19 & 19A northbound running up Park Row (City Square) and left. Service 5 might do similar, makes more sense than Wellington Street and King Street. The Arriva 20x services were supposed to be turning right at Bishopsgate Street along the current cycle path but that wasn't built when I looked last (last week).
Vicar Lane: anything that used to turn up New Briggate will turn up Vicar Lane instead, so that New Briggate can become pedestrianised/squared as far as Mark Lane. I think there were plans for general traffic on Templar Street and Lady Lane as well.
Should improve punctuality of services, but at the cost of penetration in some places (New Briggate, Call Lane) when all completed. Lower Briggate needs to become two-way as well, when Call Lane closes.
(Not Mine) But here are some photos and videos of the progress. Vicar Lane: youtu.be/1hziKgWiyUEInfirmary Street: |
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Post by leeds rider on Nov 25, 2020 11:38:34 GMT 1
According to the plans (haven't been there to look in person!) Park Row becomes southbound only - anything currently running from Bishopgate Street or Boar Lane via Quebec Street/Infirmary Street/Park Row to The Headrow will instead go the opposite way across City Square and along Infirmary Street and then up East Parade before turning left or right to resume the existing route. The latest plans for the Call Lane / Lower Briggate area seem to have Lower Briggate remaining one-way northbound, and Call Lane staying open to traffic but with wider footpaths and narrower carriageway, with pedestrian tables and no bus stops - not sure where buses currently stopping there will be redistributed to. Going to seem very strange around town when I do eventually get back there - normally I'd have been walking around in lunch hours whilst it was all going on so would have adapted gradually as things changed.
Sorry - that was me being a pedant. Park Row runs all the way down to the junction with Wellington Street so, technically, they will be running up Park Row to turn left onto Infirmary Street. Park Row is one-way downhill as far as Infirmary Street, with a new cycle lane. Hopefully they will put in a crossing point at the bottom, it's very confusing there now that the old crossing has gone and the road is wider.
Pity about the change of plan for Call Lane, it made sense given that Call Lane gets closed for events sometimes and in evenings (same rationale as Cookridge Street, really), hence the large swing gate. I know they've started work on Duncan Street, removing the central reservation. Call Lane at the Corn Exchange was supposed to close, so eastbound buses would turn up Vicar Lane then left onto Kirkgate to resume the route by the Post Office.
Yes, I realised after posting that you were probably saying the same thing - I just never think of that last bit as Park Row, especially since they put the wiggle in to make room for where the Supertram would have gone. The closure of Call Lane in front of the Corn Exchange is still on with, as you say, buses rerouted via New Market Street and then right into Kirkgate. |
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Post by yorkslad on Nov 26, 2020 15:06:45 GMT 1
Clearly, I need to get out more. So I did, this morning, walking the Public Transport Box (sort-of).
Bishopgate Street/Boar Lane junction: no work, but a few white dots have appeared on the pavement. So who knows? A Buses and Taxis road-sign-in-a-barrel has appeared for traffic on Boar Lane beyond Mill Hill.
Boar Lane/Briggate/Duncan Street: central reservation removed, crossing points being altered. Some changes on Lower Briggate but nothing to indicate major work.
Corn Exchange/Vicar Lane: not much happening there but you wouldn't expect there to be much for a closure. Alteration to traffic island at the Kirkgate/Vicar Lane junction.
Lower Head Row: pretty much done. Looks weird to my eyes, needs a bit of colour :-)
Vicar Lane top: as video, pretty much. Pedestrian routes a nightmare. A couple of northbound shelters in place, about half of the paving looks done on both sides.
New Briggate: no work yet, I guess that will start once the bottom end is closed off. That's unlikely to happen until the work next to The Grand Theatre is finished, as the route for disabled parking is up Harrison Street, which is blocked off at the moment.
Lower Headrow: most new shelters in place. No resurfacing or white lining yet. Junctions with Albion Street still need completing. Park Row: pretty much resurfaced, lined and open. Shelters were going in. The cycle lane needs finishing but the Lewis Hamilton Chicane just north of Bond Street is in place. Junction with Infirmary Street needs completing (no pedestrian access).
Infirmary Street: there's an exit now on the eastern end, which looks a bit odd as it points due east as opposed to curving north onto East Parade or south from King Street. The road markings indicate you can leave Infirmary Street on to St Paul's Street.
Stop Q1 on Quebec Street has gone (or hidden and boxed in during building work), for those keeping count.
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Post by joseph on Nov 28, 2020 21:25:55 GMT 1
I don't know who's in charge of the bus alerts page, but I do know they don't know how to clearly write it, and I don't even think they have knowledge of Leeds streets. Just take a look at the info for the latest Infirmary Street closures, firstly, why didn't they just simply say Infirmary Street and part of City Square, instead of Infirmary Street to Wellington Street & Boar Lane! Secondly, why didn't they group all the Arriva Dewsbury Road services together in one block with a clear direction, not three different versions all with missing streets and all amounting to the same diversion! Finally, regarding the 55C/65/75 and 508, why is the 65 listed when it doesn't operate past 5pm and why can't the 508 run from Park Row like the 55C/75 will be? After all, they all turn right onto Wellington Street. Call me picky, but it's that sort of mis-guidance that causes thingy ups and confusion!
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Post by yorkslad on Nov 30, 2020 14:25:35 GMT 1
I don't know who's in charge of the bus alerts page, but I do know they don't know how to clearly write it, and I don't even think they have knowledge of Leeds streets. Just take a look at the info for the latest Infirmary Street closures, firstly, why didn't they just simply say Infirmary Street and part of City Square, instead of Infirmary Street to Wellington Street & Boar Lane! Secondly, why didn't they group all the Arriva Dewsbury Road services together in one block with a clear direction, not three different versions all with missing streets and all amounting to the same diversion! Finally, regarding the 55C/65/75 and 508, why is the 65 listed when it doesn't operate past 5pm and why can't the 508 run from Park Row like the 55C/75 will be? After all, they all turn right onto Wellington Street. Call me picky, but it's that sort of mis-guidance that causes thingy ups and confusion!
In fairness, and having done web bus & train alerts in the past: you expect and hope that the information you get is accurate. I never did a copy & paste from the information I received but that then meant I took longer to do them. And if it wasn't Leeds I didn't always get the subtleties of which road was closed where. That said, I wouldn't have written what's there and would probably have highlighted all of the the Connecting Leeds works over the last year in some way, say by including the logo.
The 508 thing will be down to the operator.
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Post by granger on Dec 15, 2020 21:53:06 GMT 1
New Connecting Leeds Style Bus Stop Flags around the Hunselt/Middleton Area, with Bus Route Numbers. These particular Bus Stop Flags Have "Middleton Line" included in Green. Looks like the proposals are now officially Gone ahead. |
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Post by yorkslad on Dec 24, 2020 17:05:51 GMT 1
Took a trip to Upper Wortley Cemetery to see my parents earlier today - the new-style flags are in place from Wellington Road up Oldfield Lane. They do look awfully similar to the old LCT flags before 1974, but with a lighter shade of green!
Also of note: no phone number for MetroLine. The number under the web address is the asset number. This seems a little short-sighted to me.
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Post by granger on Feb 21, 2021 23:27:10 GMT 1
Looks like they are now implementing the connecting Leeds " overground lines" style on first bus leeds destinations and blinds now 🤔🤔. It is a little confusing
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Post by joseph on Feb 22, 2021 8:42:38 GMT 1
Looks like they are now implementing the connecting Leeds " overground lines" style on first bus leeds destinations and blinds now 🤔🤔. It is a little confusing Well if they are that's just first rate stupid, a bit like these lines. Take White Rose line, I bet you'll get people boarding service 1 expecting it to go to the White Rose Centre after seeing 'White Rose Line' on the destination, lucky for some it's only a 20 minute walk from the terminus, but it is a long way for others. I bet service 1 destinations don't automatically change to show Headingley line (or whatever it is) as soon as it hits the city centre on Bishopsgate Street. Then you've got what I would describe as the better, but not quite described White Rose line group of services, 2/3/3A. Better as in 2 go to White Rose, and the other (bus 2) goes within a 5 to 10 minute walk of it. However, I bet you'll see people again boarding bus 2 expecting it to serve White Rose, and ending up in Middleton wondering when it'll reach White Rose. You've also got those expecting bus 2 to say Thorpe Lane, only to see White Rose on the front, that'll cause confusion too as I bet they'll either let it pass, or stop it and argue with the driver that he is showing White Rose Centre. Middleton Line is about the only route what makes sense, and even then you've got the issue of what happens to the destination when it reaches Leeds centre. If every route serving an individual area had it's own line name, then it'll make sense, but grouping services together that serve completely different parts of the city, such as the 1,2,3,3A (service 1 serving vastly different parts of Beeston up to 1 mile from to the 2/3/3A, and service 2 serving Middleton) then it's just being lazy to be frank. Do they seriously expect people living at the top end of Beeston walk down to Dewsbury Road on a daily basis for their bus? I could maybe understand if they called it Black Line along side the 51 and 52, as all 3 do run close (within a 5 or 10 minute walk such as the terminus to Drysalters, Co Op to Elland Road etc) over a few bits of route, but even then it's stretching things a bit. Oh and I've spotted an error which looks rather worrying. I've always thought of the Inner Ring Road as a road what encloses the city centre from Wellington Street flyover, to Marsh Lane, but it seems to have expanded big time as the Ingram Distributer is now called Inner Ring Road on these maps! Bad enough this dam council have expanded the city centre all the way out to cover much of Holbeck, and by the looks of things possibly a good part of Hunslet. I live 2.5 miles from Briggate which in my view is where the city centre proper is, but it wouldn't surprise me if this dam council made out that Beeston was on the doorstep of the city centre when attracting developers, after all it seems to be creeping closer and closer. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Feb 22, 2021 10:49:39 GMT 1
Looks like they are now implementing the connecting Leeds " overground lines" style on first bus leeds destinations and blinds now 🤔🤔. It is a little confusing Well if they are that's just first rate stupid, a bit like these lines. Take White Rose line, I bet you'll get people boarding service 1 expecting it to go to the White Rose Centre after seeing 'White Rose Line' on the destination, lucky for some it's only a 20 minute walk from the terminus, but it is a long way for others. I bet service 1 destinations don't automatically change to show Headingley line (or whatever it is) as soon as it hits the city centre on Bishopsgate Street. Middleton Line is about the only route what makes sense, and even then you've got the issue of what happens to the destination when it reaches Leeds centre. Believe the GPS on the Streetdecks (and other with NSA) SHOULD automatically change the blind in the City Centre to show the ‘next’ line. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 22, 2021 11:07:04 GMT 1
I think it would have been best to keep colour named lines rather than place names
Also the new colours neither match the established Overground colours nor the Streetdeck front colours!
Renumbering all the bus stops in the City Centre seems a retrograde step as well, as now the same letters are duplicated multiple times
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