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Post by stephen01 on Mar 6, 2021 21:19:37 GMT 1
I've decided to do the work for Connecting Leeds and re-name every main First service as follows. 1 The Old Line (as in the oldest route in Leeds) 2/12 Mid-Moor Line (as in half of Middleton and Moortown combined) 3/3A Lidget Rose Line (Lidget Lane and White Rose combined) 4/4G East West Line 5 City Line 6 Holt Line West 7 group under Super Line 8 Holt Line East 13/13A Wood Line (Brakenwood and Middleton Woods lol) 16/A Wander Line 19/A The Traveller 27 Trinity Line 28 Adel Line 33/4 North West Line 40 East Leeds Circuit 42 Old Fearn Line (Old Farnley/Fearnville combined) 49 Bramgate Line (Bramley and Monkswood Gate combined 50/A Horscroft Line (Horsforth and Seacroft combined) 51/52 Morley Moor Line (a nod to both Morley and Moor Allerton, although you could also call it Elland Moor Line) 56 Grangemoor Line (Whinmoor and Moor Grange combined) 64 named as it is by Connexions (as in The 64) 74 and 75 given the title Southern Connect as they connect virtually every bit of suburban south Leeds 91 given the title East-North-West link for obvious reasons X98 and X99 titled Wetherby Express Each service would have an individual colour attached, including the use of multicolour on some lines (like they have done to show the X10) to aid easy reading. Now, groups of services that serve a major area would simply be coded with a thick black line on the map to indicate the area is served by many different services, with the names of these services placed in a box alongside the line. I'd leave many of the Arriva services alone to be honest, as although they do provide frequent services in Leeds, it's really hard to put them under a particular line name due to serving so many areas/towns on route. About the only one you could name is the 444, which could come under Rothwell Line. Even though I do say so myself, I think I've done a better job lol. 229 is now classed as Heckmondwike Line from what i've seen tonight and i've seen on Flickr 202 & 203 are classed as Mirfield Line.
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Post by edmundwells on Mar 7, 2021 10:20:38 GMT 1
Looks like they are now implementing the connecting Leeds " overground lines" style on first bus leeds destinations and blinds now 🤔🤔. It is a little confusing Bramley's destinations have now been upated so look out for the likes of St James's Line, Pudsey Line and Old Farnley Line out in the wild.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 7, 2021 10:49:46 GMT 1
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 7, 2021 11:02:35 GMT 1
The link doesn't work. But it seems like a recipe for disaster in the long run.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 8, 2021 9:37:48 GMT 1
189 is classed as Normanton Line. BUT it's NOT just Leeds routes to receive "Line" identity. The 126/127 & 268 are also under it with 126/127 been Horbury Line and 268 been Dewsbury Line with 268's Via point section literally reading Via Heck & Cleck.
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Post by steviewevie on Mar 8, 2021 9:39:51 GMT 1
The map isn't accurate. It states Leeds core Network Map - Every 15 minutes or better. Yet the 444 only ever runs every 20 minutes at best. (Non-Covid)
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Post by twy7 on Mar 8, 2021 10:04:01 GMT 1
The map isn't accurate. It states Leeds core Network Map - Every 15 minutes or better. Yet the 444 only ever runs every 20 minutes at best. (Non-Covid) I thought it was a plan before coronavirus that it would change to every 30 minutes but every 15 minutes with 446. Could that still be on the cards?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 8, 2021 10:50:48 GMT 1
The map isn't accurate. It states Leeds core Network Map - Every 15 minutes or better. Yet the 444 only ever runs every 20 minutes at best. (Non-Covid) The 444 is shown as a thinner line though Yes I know there isn't a key, but bear in mind this was an example for the consultation rather than the final thing.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 8, 2021 13:12:58 GMT 1
189 is classed as Normanton Line. BUT it's NOT just Leeds routes to receive "Line" identity. The 126/127 & 268 are also under it with 126/127 been Horbury Line and 268 been Dewsbury Line with 268's Via point section literally reading Via Heck & Cleck. 268 is daft as other buses serve Dewsbury. However I don't know what the area is called in-between? The Heck & Cleck Line anyone?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 8, 2021 13:30:19 GMT 1
189 is classed as Normanton Line. BUT it's NOT just Leeds routes to receive "Line" identity. The 126/127 & 268 are also under it with 126/127 been Horbury Line and 268 been Dewsbury Line with 268's Via point section literally reading Via Heck & Cleck. 268 is daft as other buses serve Dewsbury. However I don't know what the area is called in-between? The Heck & Cleck Line anyone? Generally the Spen Valley (or Spenborough or just Spen)
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 8, 2021 13:34:15 GMT 1
268 is daft as other buses serve Dewsbury. However I don't know what the area is called in-between? The Heck & Cleck Line anyone? Generally the Spen Valley (or Spenborough or just Spen) Thanks, The Spen Valley Line sounds good.
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Post by dlspotter on Mar 8, 2021 15:11:12 GMT 1
Can't see why 268 needs a 'line' unless they're also doing this from Bradford. Would make more sense for 202/203 to be Dewsbury line than Mirfield line, especially since many evening journeys short-terminate. But to make it even more streamlined it would be more appropriate to be the White Rose Line.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 8, 2021 16:08:16 GMT 1
189 is classed as Normanton Line. BUT it's NOT just Leeds routes to receive "Line" identity. The 126/127 & 268 are also under it with 126/127 been Horbury Line and 268 been Dewsbury Line with 268's Via point section literally reading Via Heck & Cleck. 268 is daft as other buses serve Dewsbury. However I don't know what the area is called in-between? The Heck & Cleck Line anyone? Heck & Cleck are for Heckmondwike & Cleckheaton. I agree it is daft same for the 126/127 as they dont go to Leeds either.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 8, 2021 17:13:30 GMT 1
Further suggestions
2/ 3&3A Chapeltown Line (or Moortown as the 3&3A do serve Moortown)
12/ 13&13A /X98&99 Oakwood Line
72 Stanningley Line (the X6 is more the Bradford Line)
X6 Bradford Line
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Post by solo on Mar 8, 2021 18:00:18 GMT 1
When I am waiting for my 630am bus in midwinter freezing rain,all that I hope to see coming around the corner is 229 Leeds. Heckmondwike line is of no consequence at all. The same goes for route branding. I have been in Leeds City Bus Station where two buses on adjacent stands showed 1. 229 Heckmondwike with a 254 branded bus. 2. 254 Dewsbury with a 229 branded bus. It may come as a surprise to these marketing and transport experts that giving fancy line names etc does not make a bus any more reliable.
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Post by joseph on Mar 8, 2021 18:51:36 GMT 1
So this now looks like an attempt by Leeds Council to enforce it's idea onto other towns. Bad enough LA controlled Leeds College tried to enforce it's name on the Keighley College campus before it thankfully got re-named back again. Then you've got that episode with those dreadful signs declaring towns well outside Leeds are part of it, such as Wetherby and Otley, the council got told to get back in it's box then too lol.
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Post by firstbus05 on Mar 8, 2021 19:55:19 GMT 1
seen over the last few days on buses displays
33/34 kirkstall line
49 st james line
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Post by deerfold on Mar 8, 2021 23:06:18 GMT 1
So this now looks like an attempt by Leeds Council to enforce it's idea onto other towns. Bad enough LA controlled Leeds College tried to enforce it's name on the Keighley College campus before it thankfully got re-named back again. Then you've got that episode with those dreadful signs declaring towns well outside Leeds are part of it, such as Wetherby and Otley, the council got told to get back in it's box then too lol. From previous posts, this seems to be an initiative of the West Yorkshire Combined Authority, not Leeds Council. Wetherby and Otley come under Leeds local authority, whether you (or I) like it or not. Keighley college only returned to its name because the "Leeds College" Group became "Luminate" (https://luminate.ac.uk/)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 9, 2021 0:11:52 GMT 1
Wetherby and Otley come under Leeds local authority, whether you (or I) like it or not. Keighley college only returned to its name because the "Leeds College" Group became "Luminate" (https://luminate.ac.uk/) Don’t feel too sorry for Otley, it could be worse, they could be like their neighbours in Ilkley!
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Post by joseph on Mar 9, 2021 7:22:52 GMT 1
So this now looks like an attempt by Leeds Council to enforce it's idea onto other towns. Bad enough LA controlled Leeds College tried to enforce it's name on the Keighley College campus before it thankfully got re-named back again. Then you've got that episode with those dreadful signs declaring towns well outside Leeds are part of it, such as Wetherby and Otley, the council got told to get back in it's box then too lol. From previous posts, this seems to be an initiative of the West Yorkshire Combined Authority, not Leeds Council. Wetherby and Otley come under Leeds local authority, whether you (or I) like it or not. Keighley college only returned to its name because the "Leeds College" Group became "Luminate" (https://luminate.ac.uk/) Regarding the signs, it was thanks to Otley folk that the hideous blue and yellow 'welcome to Leeds' signs were changed to reflect it being the council boundary rather than city boundary, I also know that in Keighley, the Leeds College name didn't go down too well, so I suspect the new group wanted to reflect on local feeling and re-named it back to give it a local identity once more. Regarding the Connecting Leeds idea being a West Yorkshire Combined Authority one, Leeds Council seem to have played rather a big role in this project right from the start, hence why I've assumed it's a LCC project. No other West Yorkshire council seem to have entered into this project. if we see more of this 'connecting Leeds' tripe plastered on bus stops throughout West Yorkshire, even if it is a WYCA project we know who's the influence behind it, after all they have form lol.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 9, 2021 10:00:06 GMT 1
110 is classed as Wakefield Line AND Kettlethorpe Line.
444 & 446 are classed as Wakefield Line.
148/149 are classed as Pontefract Line.
496 is classed as Hemsworth Line.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 9, 2021 12:46:57 GMT 1
110 is classed as Wakefield Line AND Kettlethorpe Line. 444 & 446 are classed as Wakefield Line. 148/149 are classed as Pontefract Line. 496 is classed as Hemsworth Line. Hmm 110 should be Wakefield Line as it is direct
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 9, 2021 13:28:46 GMT 1
110 is classed as Wakefield Line AND Kettlethorpe Line. 444 & 446 are classed as Wakefield Line. 148/149 are classed as Pontefract Line. 496 is classed as Hemsworth Line. Hmm 110 should be Wakefield Line as it is direct True. It's also odd that the 446 has been grouped under it when that runs hourly. 117 & 118 not got any line. I'm surprised that 100, 102 & 104 as between Wakefield & Eastmoor aren't they every 10-15 mins combined
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 9, 2021 14:30:55 GMT 1
Hmm 110 should be Wakefield Line as it is direct True. It's also odd that the 446 has been grouped under it when that runs hourly. 117 & 118 not got any line. I'm surprised that 100, 102 & 104 as between Wakefield & Eastmoor aren't they every 10-15 mins combined I stand corrected 117 & 118 are classed as White Rose Line as are 200 & 201
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 15:45:53 GMT 1
110 is classed as Wakefield Line AND Kettlethorpe Line. 444 & 446 are classed as Wakefield Line. 148/149 are classed as Pontefract Line. 496 is classed as Hemsworth Line. Hmm 110 should be Wakefield Line as it is direct The 110's I've seen today between Kettlethorpe/Hall Green were displaying Kettlethorpe Line
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