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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 10, 2024 4:02:43 GMT 1
Wonder if this bout of splitting the Norton Tower - Halifax - Siddal service will last! Be good to see the evening & night service return on this route, never driven it but when I saw it while working late turns on my route they always seemed to be well loaded. Just never returned after it was "temporarily" cut back during the flu, I mean, Corona Virus.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 10, 2024 4:10:27 GMT 1
Couldn't have put it better myself! Something needs to be done ASAP to stop this from taking over. It should not substitute talented schedulers but be used as a tool to help. Although with new schedulers being very young, coming straight from university and never driven a bus sadly I feel this is the way they are going to decimate every route.
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Post by joseph on Jan 10, 2024 7:19:03 GMT 1
Couldn't have put it better myself! Something needs to be done ASAP to stop this from taking over. It should not substitute talented schedulers but be used as a tool to help. Although with new schedulers being very young, coming straight from university and never driven a bus sadly I feel this is the way they are going to decimate every route. I must admit are First trying their hardest to reduce demand for some services so they can cut them, it's now a busy time of the year again and 2 service 1 and 1Bs turned up within 4 minutes of each other around 5pm ish towards Beeston, both being scheduled to run close together anyway. The previous service 1B had been cancelled too, now I'm not too sure if a 75 took a load from Park Row before the service 1 arrived at that stop but the first to arrive only had a light standing load whilst the second just took odds and sods and was empty by the time it overtook near Cross Flatts Park. Maybe First are aiming to reduce the 1 to half hourly and are trying their best to make it happen? Just seems so odd to timetable a number of peak journeys close together with large gaps of 25 minutes in between with 2 around 6pm actually running together towards Beeston. They have already cut AM peak journeys making the service half hourly from Beeston terminus up to 07.30am (despite the 7am often getting rammed!) so a permanent reduction in the PM peak timetable wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by andy1 on Jan 10, 2024 22:06:38 GMT 1
Latest info ,X1, Hx Elland bridge , Huddersfield Road (Old Ainleys) Edgerton Hudds bus stn every 15 mins . (basically old X37 BUT EVERY STOP) 501 , every 15 mins including late eve, early morning and Sundays . 542 Hx to Norton Tower , 543 Hx TO Siddal , route split. 549 every 30 mins HX To Hudd (operated by Huddersfield depot) 548 restored to every 30 mins . Thanks for all the information. Those are some welcome changes! I must ask if the splitting of the 372, is also true? That rumour has reached the public and has appeared on the local page. 372 from Huddersfield to LINDLEY will be withdrawn with 501 as the replacement .
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 10, 2024 22:27:09 GMT 1
Thanks for all the information. Those are some welcome changes! I must ask if the splitting of the 372, is also true? That rumour has reached the public and has appeared on the local page. 372 from Huddersfield to LINDLEY will be withdrawn with 501 as the replacement . Been wanting that for donkeys years. My commute is going to get a lot better (assuming it now starts from the bus station)
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Post by Tom on Jan 10, 2024 22:46:27 GMT 1
Arriva have registered their changes it seems.
TIMETABLE CHANGES - 122, 260, 280, 189, TK1/TK2, 200, 231/232, 230, 444/4446, 254, 118, 174/174A/175, 156, 281, 111, 110, 268, 271, 283, 229, 106, 126, 107, 104, 496, 425, 250, 195, 202/203, WF1
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Post by jst on Jan 10, 2024 23:14:13 GMT 1
Unbelievable there's yet another route change on the 163! This will be I think the fourth in twelve months.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 23:15:26 GMT 1
372 from Huddersfield to LINDLEY will be withdrawn with 501 as the replacement . Been wanting that for donkeys years. My commute is going to get a lot better (assuming it now starts from the bus station) Certainly winners & losers with that change, as I was speaking to a friend recently who lives at Waterloo & (after asking their opinion based on previous conversations on here) they said if the HRI link did get chopped they would be getting a car ASAP, so hopefully it doesn't reduce usage too much. It should hopefully allow a more tidier 370/1 at least, rather than all the current swaps between 370/1/2 buses currently do at Huddersfield
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 10, 2024 23:32:04 GMT 1
Unbelievable there's yet another route change on the 163! This will be I think the fourth in twelve months. I suspect this may be more to do with Fairburn Drive perhaps getting the semi chop. Would be much better having the 164 operate via there rather than the overbussed east Garforth section.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 10, 2024 23:50:31 GMT 1
Been wanting that for donkeys years. My commute is going to get a lot better (assuming it now starts from the bus station) Certainly winners & losers with that change, as I was speaking to a friend recently who lives at Waterloo & (after asking their opinion based on previous conversations on here) they said if the HRI link did get chopped they would be getting a car ASAP, so hopefully it doesn't reduce usage too much. It should hopefully allow a more tidier 370/1 at least, rather than all the current swaps between 370/1/2 buses currently do at Huddersfield Absolutely I do think it is one of those changes people dislike until it is actually in place. Lindley links are very decent and it is rare, atleast now, you wait the full 15 minutes for a bus to the HRI
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Post by jst on Jan 11, 2024 0:23:23 GMT 1
Unbelievable there's yet another route change on the 163! This will be I think the fourth in twelve months. I suspect this may be more to do with Fairburn Drive perhaps getting the semi chop. Would be much better having the 164 operate via there rather than the overbussed east Garforth section. They need to make their mind up with Fairburn Drive! Do agree with turning the 164 shorts via Fairburn Drive as the X26/7 did but then makes it tricky to Serve Main Street consistently dependant on destination (alternatively not sure the bridge on Bar Lane would be massively suitable for heavy big double deckers)
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Post by pricel on Jan 11, 2024 21:02:20 GMT 1
Seems like a lot of service improvements are arriving to West Yorkshire in February, and I hope 2024 brings a lot more! Could do with evenings being improved for services on the Halifax to Sowerby Bridge/Ripponden corridor and the 508. Hopefully in future there could even be a replacement for the 508 around Farsley.
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 11, 2024 23:12:10 GMT 1
Thanks for all the information. Those are some welcome changes! I must ask if the splitting of the 372, is also true? That rumour has reached the public and has appeared on the local page. 372 from Huddersfield to LINDLEY will be withdrawn with 501 as the replacement . Hope it doe's not appear a daft question, but will the 501 (372 replacement) be operated by Hudds or HFX depot?
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 12, 2024 2:08:08 GMT 1
Seems like a lot of service improvements are arriving to West Yorkshire in February, and I hope 2024 brings a lot more! Could do with evenings being improved for services on the Halifax to Sowerby Bridge/Ripponden corridor and the 508. Hopefully in future there could even be a replacement for the 508 around Farsley. Possibly not for the Calder Valley services if the rumours are true...
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 12, 2024 2:18:40 GMT 1
A new registration with just the 590 has appeared on VOSA along with a 'Variation' registration to the 591 592. There are a lot of rumours going around about these services at the moment with passengers asking if the Burnley service is being cut back to hourly and the Halifax - Todmorden section being reduced to every 20 minutes. Only time will tell...
Registration number PB0000815/1036 Licence NumberPB0000815 Variation number0 StatusNew Service number. 590 Service type Start point Halifax Bus Station Finish point Rochdale Bus Station Via Date received 05 Jan 2024 Effective date 18 Feb 2024 End date Supported by subsidies? No Local authorities covered by route TAOs covered by route
Registration number PB0000815/321 Licence Number PB0000815 Variation number40 StatusVariation Service number. 590,591, 592 Service type Normal Stopping Start point Halifax Bus Station Finish point Burnley Bus Station Via Hebden Bridge, Todmorden Heptonstall Date received 04 Jan 2024 Effective date 18 Feb 2024 End date Supported by subsidies? In Part Local authorities covered by route Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM)Lancashire County CouncilWest Yorkshire pte TAOs covered by route North East of England North West of England
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 12, 2024 7:43:41 GMT 1
A new registration with just the 590 has appeared on VOSA along with a 'Variation' registration to the 591 592. There are a lot of rumours going around about these services at the moment with passengers asking if the Burnley service is being cut back to hourly and the Halifax - Todmorden section being reduced to every 20 minutes. Only time will tell... Registration number PB0000815/1036 Licence NumberPB0000815 Variation number0 StatusNew Service number. 590 Service type Start point Halifax Bus Station Finish point Rochdale Bus Station Via Date received 05 Jan 2024 Effective date 18 Feb 2024 End date Supported by subsidies? No Local authorities covered by route TAOs covered by route Registration number PB0000815/321 Licence Number PB0000815 Variation number40 StatusVariation Service number. 590,591, 592 Service type Normal Stopping Start point Halifax Bus Station Finish point Burnley Bus Station Via Hebden Bridge, Todmorden Heptonstall Date received 04 Jan 2024 Effective date 18 Feb 2024 End date Supported by subsidies? In Part Local authorities covered by route Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM)Lancashire County CouncilWest Yorkshire pte TAOs covered by route North East of England North West of England I understand that is just speculation, and I haven't touched those services for a good year, but that would be a harsh decrease for what I remember to be very busy routes. I mean shouldn't they wait a bit longer now that they're bragging about strong better than expected profits to see if the improvements have an impact on the patronage of the 590s?
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Post by pricel on Jan 12, 2024 8:48:25 GMT 1
A new registration with just the 590 has appeared on VOSA along with a 'Variation' registration to the 591 592. There are a lot of rumours going around about these services at the moment with passengers asking if the Burnley service is being cut back to hourly and the Halifax - Todmorden section being reduced to every 20 minutes. Only time will tell... Registration number PB0000815/1036 Licence NumberPB0000815 Variation number0 StatusNew Service number. 590 Service type Start point Halifax Bus Station Finish point Rochdale Bus Station Via Date received 05 Jan 2024 Effective date 18 Feb 2024 End date Supported by subsidies? No Local authorities covered by route TAOs covered by route Registration number PB0000815/321 Licence Number PB0000815 Variation number40 StatusVariation Service number. 590,591, 592 Service type Normal Stopping Start point Halifax Bus Station Finish point Burnley Bus Station Via Hebden Bridge, Todmorden Heptonstall Date received 04 Jan 2024 Effective date 18 Feb 2024 End date Supported by subsidies? In Part Local authorities covered by route Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM)Lancashire County CouncilWest Yorkshire pte TAOs covered by route North East of England North West of England If that's the case the peak time frequency better stay at every 15 minutes because they struggle enough as it is during the Calder High and Trinity Sowerby rush hours.
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Post by steve440 on Jan 12, 2024 9:55:32 GMT 1
372 from Huddersfield to LINDLEY will be withdrawn with 501 as the replacement . Hope it doe's not appear a daft question, but will the 501 (372 replacement) be operated by Hudds or HFX depot? Halifax, that's why Huddersfield are gaining the 549.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 12, 2024 11:39:19 GMT 1
Arriva have registered their changes it seems. TIMETABLE CHANGES - 122, 260, 280, 189, TK1/TK2, 200, 231/232, 230, 444/4446, 254, 118, 174/174A/175, 156, 281, 111, 110, 268, 271, 283, 229, 106, 126, 107, 104, 496, 425, 250, 195, 202/203, WF1 ROUTE CHANGES: 102/103 (route & timetable change), 163 (vary route & timetable), 261 (ammendment to route & timetable), 148 (route & timetable change, 212 (Part of the route reinstated as per local authority request), 571 (Punctuality amendment to Timetable & Route amendment), 105 (Amend Route & Timetable), 377/378 (Permanent registration of the temporary diversion) Thereโs no such service as 174A anymore.
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Post by Penfold on Jan 12, 2024 12:35:15 GMT 1
Arriva have registered their changes it seems. TIMETABLE CHANGES - 122, 260, 280, 189, TK1/TK2, 200, 231/232, 230, 444/4446, 254, 118, 174/174A/175, 156, 281, 111, 110, 268, 271, 283, 229, 106, 126, 107, 104, 496, 425, 250, 195, 202/203, WF1 ROUTE CHANGES: 102/103 (route & timetable change), 163 (vary route & timetable), 261 (ammendment to route & timetable), 148 (route & timetable change, 212 (Part of the route reinstated as per local authority request), 571 (Punctuality amendment to Timetable & Route amendment), 105 (Amend Route & Timetable), 377/378 (Permanent registration of the temporary diversion) Thereโs no such service as 174A anymore. No but I believe they all fall under the same registration identity (number). Penfold
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 14:23:18 GMT 1
A new registration with just the 590 has appeared on VOSA along with a 'Variation' registration to the 591 592. There are a lot of rumours going around about these services at the moment with passengers asking if the Burnley service is being cut back to hourly and the Halifax - Todmorden section being reduced to every 20 minutes. Only time will tell... Registration number PB0000815/1036 Licence NumberPB0000815 Variation number0 StatusNew Service number. 590 Service type Start point Halifax Bus Station Finish point Rochdale Bus Station Via Date received 05 Jan 2024 Effective date 18 Feb 2024 End date Supported by subsidies? No Local authorities covered by route TAOs covered by route Registration number PB0000815/321 Licence Number PB0000815 Variation number40 StatusVariation Service number. 590,591, 592 Service type Normal Stopping Start point Halifax Bus Station Finish point Burnley Bus Station Via Hebden Bridge, Todmorden Heptonstall Date received 04 Jan 2024 Effective date 18 Feb 2024 End date Supported by subsidies? In Part Local authorities covered by route Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM)Lancashire County CouncilWest Yorkshire pte TAOs covered by route North East of England North West of England If that's the case the peak time frequency better stay at every 15 minutes because they struggle enough as it is during the Calder High and Trinity Sowerby rush hours. I Wouldn't be surprised if they go Every 20 Mins & just get converted to full DD Operation. I Am surprised it's the Burnley section looking at being reduced rather than the Rochdale, as I Did half expect them to at least threaten to cut the Rochdale section & then go with their begging bowl to TfGM (or 'ask for financial assistance') due to the roll out of the Bee Network similar to what they did with 184. One thing I'll be interested to see is if the 310/4/6 remain in tact after these changes, as they are probably the last First routes around Kirklees & Calderdale to still be on the same frequency as pre-covid & not be affected by the AI Timetables. I Think the only cut they've really had is the loss of the 310 Fri/Sat Nightbus.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 12, 2024 15:50:58 GMT 1
If that's the case the peak time frequency better stay at every 15 minutes because they struggle enough as it is during the Calder High and Trinity Sowerby rush hours. I Wouldn't be surprised if they go Every 20 Mins & just get converted to full DD Operation. I Am surprised it's the Burnley section looking at being reduced rather than the Rochdale, as I Did half expect them to at least threaten to cut the Rochdale section & then go with their begging bowl to TfGM (or 'ask for financial assistance') due to the roll out of the Bee Network similar to what they did with 184. One thing I'll be interested to see is if the 310/4/6 remain in tact after these changes, as they are probably the last First routes around Kirklees & Calderdale to still be on the same frequency as pre-covid & not be affected by the AI Timetables. I Think the only cut they've really had is the loss of the 310 Fri/Sat Nightbus. There is some changes registered for the Holmfirth's. I think they continue to be quite healthy but then again I say that with most the routes they reduce. Although for years now I have wondered how the Upperthong part of the 316 is still standing.
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Post by LukePA on Jan 12, 2024 16:28:21 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 16:40:31 GMT 1
I Wouldn't be surprised if they go Every 20 Mins & just get converted to full DD Operation. I Am surprised it's the Burnley section looking at being reduced rather than the Rochdale, as I Did half expect them to at least threaten to cut the Rochdale section & then go with their begging bowl to TfGM (or 'ask for financial assistance') due to the roll out of the Bee Network similar to what they did with 184. One thing I'll be interested to see is if the 310/4/6 remain in tact after these changes, as they are probably the last First routes around Kirklees & Calderdale to still be on the same frequency as pre-covid & not be affected by the AI Timetables. I Think the only cut they've really had is the loss of the 310 Fri/Sat Nightbus. There is some changes registered for the Holmfirth's. I think they continue to be quite healthy but then again I say that with most the routes they reduce. Although for years now I have wondered how the Upperthong part of the 316 is still standing. I Agree they continue to be healthy, although I still partly expect them to find a way to chop them down to at least Every 20 Mins combined (I admit I have a vested interest, having looked at that area recently to move away from Leeds traffic so don't want to move & still end up needing a car) I'm not sure what it's like these days for Parkhead but there at least used to be a fair bit of local Holmfirth passengers to the schools & commuters walking down from the main village, I Wouldn't be surprised if there was some de minimis payments a well (same for 314 to Holme Village).
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Post by SF07 on Jan 12, 2024 18:18:16 GMT 1
PB2044957/24 Registered TEAM PENNINE LIMITED Route: Huddersfield to Halifax via West Vale, Greetland, Elland, BLackle, Lindley Service number: 343 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 18 Feb 2024 Revised timetable
PB2044957/16 Registered TEAM PENNINE LIMITED Route: Halifax, Wards End to Mixenden via Ovendon, Illingworth Service number: 524 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 18 Feb 2024 Revised timetable
PB2044957/2 Registered TEAM PENNINE LIMITED Route: Halifax, Waterhouse Street to Rochdale Interchange via King Cross, Sowerby Bridge, Ripponden, Littleborough Service number: 587 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 18 Feb 2024 Revised timetable
PB2044957/1 Registered TEAM PENNINE LIMITED Route: Huddersfield to Denby Dale via Waterloo, Highburton, Kirkburton.SKELMANTHORPE, CLAYTON WEST, SCISSETT Service number: D1 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 18 Feb 2024 "Monday to Friday timetable amended to provide additional capacity between Huddersfield and Clayton West at peak hours. K90 journey replaced by additional schoolday D1 journey."
PB2044957/28 Registered TEAM PENNINE LIMITED Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Scapegoat Hill, Chapel Street via Milnsbridge, Golcar Service number: 303 (304) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 18 Feb 2024 Revised timetable
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