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Post by leeds rider on Sept 14, 2021 12:17:40 GMT 1
The following Arriva changes have been registered for October: | Effective date | Service no | Start point | Finish point | Via | Other details |
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| 24/10/2021 | 103 (103A, 103) | 41 Business Park | Wakefield | | Service Withdrawn
| | 24/10/2021 | 112 (112) | Kirkhamgate | Wakefield | | Service Withdrawn
| | 24/10/2021 | 205 (205) | Dewsbury | Pudsey | | Service Withdrawn
| | 25/10/2021 | 100 (100) | Wakefield | Eastmoor | Wakefield | Amend route & timetable
| | 25/10/2021 | 101 (101) | Wakefield | Stanley | | Amend route & timetable
| | 25/10/2021 | 102 (102) | Eastmoor | Lupset | | Amend timetable
| | 25/10/2021 | 106 (106) | Hall Green | Wakefield | | New service
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| 107 (107, 108)
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| | 25/10/2021 | 110 (110) | Leeds | Wakefield | | Amend route & timetable
| | 25/10/2021 | 117 (117, X17) | Wakefield | Leeds | | Amended timetable
| | 25/10/2021 | 118 (118, 118S, 118A) | Wakefield | Leeds | | Amended route & timetable
| | 25/10/2021 | 212 (212) | Dewsbury | Wakefield | | Changes to Route & Timetable
| | 25/10/2021 | 231 (231, 232, 232S, HA1) | Wakefield | Huddersfield | | Amend timetable
| | 25/10/2021 | X80 (X80) | Normanton | Leeds | | Changes to Timetable
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 14, 2021 12:30:30 GMT 1
Take it the 212 will extend to cover the 112's route which Dewsbury are currently covering. Amazed the 118 series is already getting route amendment AGAIN. I'm surprised at 103A been dropped as the AM trips as busy for the back unless 101 is seeing a service increase to Half-hourly at least.
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Post by stantheman on Sept 14, 2021 12:38:21 GMT 1
I take it that’s just the 103A service withdrawn, not the whole 103!
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Post by leeds rider on Sept 14, 2021 13:06:22 GMT 1
I take it that’s just the 103A service withdrawn, not the whole 103! It's the whole registration, so both 103 and 103A in full. |
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 14, 2021 13:12:23 GMT 1
It looks like the 101 is terminating at Stanley now not Wrenthorpe! Could the 101 be replacing the 103? I'm interested about the 106, there's nothing there about the 109 being withdrawn either that 106 will be replacing the 110 between Wakefield & Hall Green. |
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Post by selbybus on Sept 14, 2021 13:16:59 GMT 1
These changes are due to driver shortages at Wakefield.
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 14, 2021 13:18:21 GMT 1
that 106 will be replacing the 110 between Wakefield & Hall Green. Looks like it wont be going to Kettlethorpe either. Just a Leeds to Wakefield. Kettlethorpe will still be covered by 107 and can still see 106 covering Kettlethorpe too. |
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Post by stantheman on Sept 14, 2021 14:05:24 GMT 1
It looks like the 101 is terminating at Stanley now not Wrenthorpe! Could the 101 be replacing the 103? I'm interested about the 106, there's nothing there about the 109 being withdrawn either that 106 will be replacing the 110 between Wakefield & Hall Green. Interesting! The 110 (or 10 as it was back in the day) has been a cross-city service into Leeds for many years! Although I think it has difficulty keeping to time due to the length of the route. So that’s a big change to an established service if the 110 becomes Wakefield to Leeds only. |
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Post by stantheman on Sept 14, 2021 14:06:50 GMT 1
It looks like the 101 is terminating at Stanley now not Wrenthorpe! Could the 101 be replacing the 103? I'm interested about the 106, there's nothing there about the 109 being withdrawn either Good spot with the 101. Be interested to see the new route! |
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Post by stantheman on Sept 14, 2021 14:09:32 GMT 1
I take it that’s just the 103A service withdrawn, not the whole 103! It's the whole registration, so both 103 and 103A in full. Interesting stuff, looks like the 101 will come to Stanley as was mentioned in another post. And of course we now have the 174 that was rerouted and partially replaced the 446 in Stanley, and the 175 route and frequency changed around Stanley too. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 16:04:23 GMT 1
I would imagine that as the 106 is replacing the the Hall Green - Wakefield section of the 110 it was stick to the same route other wise Kettlethorpe estate apart the boundary roads won't be served by any service.
Stantheman the 110 & it's predecessors has been a cross city service ever since it was launched as a tram service back in 1904/5 although the trams only ran to the Castle pub as did the replacement buses until I think Kettlethorpe estate was built
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 14, 2021 17:33:27 GMT 1
that 106 will be replacing the 110 between Wakefield & Hall Green. Looks like it wont be going to Kettlethorpe either. Just a Leeds to Wakefield. Kettlethorpe is between Wakefield and Hall Green |
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Post by deerfold on Sept 14, 2021 17:55:05 GMT 1
Looks like it wont be going to Kettlethorpe either. Just a Leeds to Wakefield. Kettlethorpe is between Wakefield and Hall Green Yes. So it could have carried on part way. |
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Post by WYBS on Sept 14, 2021 21:12:12 GMT 1
205 canceled. I always assumed that this was a tendered service, no? I wonder if it will be replaced by anything at all, maybe a good fit for CT Plus in the area?
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 14, 2021 21:31:29 GMT 1
205 canceled. I always assumed that this was a tendered service, no? I wonder if it will be replaced by anything at all, maybe a good fit for CT Plus in the area? every time i've seen 205 between Dewsbury and Morley it's been empty. CT Plus deffo won't pick it up. Also the tendered parts were only Sundays and certain evening trips that have long since got axed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 21:36:25 GMT 1
Sensible idea would be to cancel the daft 107 service, seen it 20+ times since introduction, total no of passengers seen 1
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 14, 2021 21:41:49 GMT 1
Sensible idea would be to cancel the daft 107 service, seen it 20+ times since introduction, total no of passengers seen 1 I think they may interwork it with 106 somehow. |
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 14, 2021 22:45:39 GMT 1
I think they may interwork it with 106 somehow. Oh god, I hope this 106 isn't run with E200Minis at least, I hope its at least a Tempo or Pulsar. Not sure as 107 & 108 started out predominatley with Pulsars, Commanders (till moved to Pool Fleet) & Tempos with odd duty done my e200MMC but judging by bustimes it's currentley e200mini predominatley with odd trip by Pulsar and 1 PM trip to Sandal running as a decker. |
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Post by peteleeds on Sept 15, 2021 8:02:32 GMT 1
205 canceled. I always assumed that this was a tendered service, no? I wonder if it will be replaced by anything at all, maybe a good fit for CT Plus in the area? every time i've seen 205 between Dewsbury and Morley it's been empty. CT Plus deffo won't pick it up. Also the tendered parts were only Sundays and certain evening trips that have long since got axed. Its always surprised me how popular the 205 is. I live at the pudsey end and always at least half a dozen if not more when it passes on way towards morley. Wonder if anyone will launch a pudsey to morley only replacement bet if it was hourly could get away with using just 1 bus |
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 15, 2021 8:11:52 GMT 1
every time i've seen 205 between Dewsbury and Morley it's been empty. CT Plus deffo won't pick it up. Also the tendered parts were only Sundays and certain evening trips that have long since got axed. Its always surprised me how popular the 205 is. I live at the pudsey end and always at least half a dozen if not more when it passes on way towards morley. Wonder if anyone will launch a pudsey to morley only replacement bet if it was hourly could get away with using just 1 bus There's 2 possible operators; CT Plus & Tetley's who may step in to cover Pudsey to Morley but it would only be if they see it as been a viable service but it's only small numbers atm I'll be very surprised if anyone will see it as viable. From Hanging Heaton (above Lyles' yard) to Gildersome the route is covered by other routes. |
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Post by Penfold on Sept 15, 2021 14:18:19 GMT 1
Oh god, I hope this 106 isn't run with E200Minis at least, I hope its at least a Tempo or Pulsar. Not sure as 107 & 108 started out predominatley with Pulsars, Commanders (till moved to Pool Fleet) & Tempos with odd duty done my e200MMC but judging by bustimes it's currentley e200mini predominatley with odd trip by Pulsar and 1 PM trip to Sandal running as a decker. Bear in mind, Tempos are (supposedly) banned from Hall Green due to their poor steering lock. Penfold |
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 15, 2021 14:55:53 GMT 1
Not sure as 107 & 108 started out predominatley with Pulsars, Commanders (till moved to Pool Fleet) & Tempos with odd duty done my e200MMC but judging by bustimes it's currentley e200mini predominatley with odd trip by Pulsar and 1 PM trip to Sandal running as a decker. Bear in mind, Tempos are (supposedly) banned from Hall Green due to their poor steering lock. Penfold Never knew that about the Tempos. |
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Post by joseph on Sept 15, 2021 17:53:54 GMT 1
One route which could cover the 205 is an extended 65 between Gildersome and Pudsey, but with a reduction in frequency to every 90 minutes which may help a bit in terms of improving viability. At the moment it carries few beyond Holbeck towards Morley, although I suspect it may carry more up to Gildersome. I'm sure Pudsey residents would welcome another link to White Rose as well. Between Leeds and Holbeck, it doesn't really matter if it's reduced as the 55 and 75 make up for it, as for those passengers on Old Lane, I've not really seen that many waiting to be honest, so a half hourly 75, with the 65 slotted in between every 90 mins should be ok.
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 15, 2021 23:56:12 GMT 1
Bear in mind, Tempos are (supposedly) banned from Hall Green due to their poor steering lock. Penfold Never knew that about the Tempos. That's also why they haven't been deployed to Selby, because they struggle with the tight left turn out of the bus station (which is the route back to the depot, as well as the route for the 401 and 5). |
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Post by yorkslad on Sept 16, 2021 17:40:44 GMT 1
One route which could cover the 205 is an extended 65 between Gildersome and Pudsey, but with a reduction in frequency to every 90 minutes which may help a bit in terms of improving viability. At the moment it carries few beyond Holbeck towards Morley, although I suspect it may carry more up to Gildersome. I'm sure Pudsey residents would welcome another link to White Rose as well. Between Leeds and Holbeck, it doesn't really matter if it's reduced as the 55 and 75 make up for it, as for those passengers on Old Lane, I've not really seen that many waiting to be honest, so a half hourly 75, with the 65 slotted in between every 90 mins should be ok. Not true, it regularly picks up and drops off passengers on Cardinal Estate, and from Holbeck & Beeston Hill to Morley & White Rose when I've been on it... when it used to run every 30. The single-deckers were always busy on Saturdays.
A 90-minute frequency is very regressive. Reminds me of when the temporary 10 used to run every 40 minutes in the evenings between Leeds and Beeston, which meant you were never sure when your bus was due. A better plan (IMO) would be to turn the 65 at Morley and run a new 66 between Morley and Pudsey via Gildersome, which means delays on one part of the route aren't imported onto the other part. But then, the one time I saw a 205 on Roker Lane it was empty - so perhaps it's had its day in the sun?
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