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Post by peteleeds on Sept 19, 2017 22:11:51 GMT 1
Part registration only it seems at the moment PC0005249/154 BURNLEY & PENDLE TRAVEL LTD CITY ZAP MANCHESTER CHORLTON STREET HUDDERSFIELD AINLEY TOP I did wonder if ainley top would be the mid route stop as this was used for the one love Manchester vamooz buses
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 19, 2017 22:32:14 GMT 1
When thinking about an intermediate stop for concessionary pass purposes, I was thinking which junction would enable getting off, serving a bus stop and getting back on. Due to the layout of the junction, Ainley Top enables this to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 0:01:22 GMT 1
I Wounder if theres a possibility of them teaming up with firstbus to run a similar add on ticket like what they introduced to service 36,With the add on ticket just being valid to either Huddersfield/Halifax on the 503. Advertise it well enough & it could go down well with passengers.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 20, 2017 7:52:14 GMT 1
If it does serve Ainley Top it wouldn't be the same stops as the 503 uses.
Plus such a link would compete both with the 184 and Transpennine Express so unlikely
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Post by 77syk7 on Sept 20, 2017 16:23:35 GMT 1
It seems as though we think that Leeds - Manchester is the definite new 'Cityzap'. Much as I like to see new initiatives operating in the bus world, this route is one I just cannot see being successful. The M62 is notorious for delays owing to breakdowns, sheer volume of traffic and being exposed to some of the harshest weather in the country. I can only see the timetable being very approximate at certain times of the day. Secondly, who is wanting to wait for a bus at Ainley Top - this again is one of the busiest and indeed polluted areas of the West Yorkshire - where can the bus pull in? Maybe it will be next to the 'Burger Van' in the Layby, just after the previous police shooting lamp - sounds appealing?
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Post by deerfold on Sept 20, 2017 16:32:05 GMT 1
It seems as though we think that Leeds - Manchester is the definite new 'Cityzap'. Much as I like to see new initiatives operating in the bus world, this route is one I just cannot see being successful. The M62 is notorious for delays owing to breakdowns, sheer volume of traffic and being exposed to some of the harshest weather in the country. I can only see the timetable being very approximate at certain times of the day. Secondly, who is wanting to wait for a bus at Ainley Top - this again is one of the busiest and indeed polluted areas of the West Yorkshire - where can the bus pull in? Maybe it will be next to the 'Burger Van' in the Layby, just after the previous police shooting lamp - sounds appealing? How about here? Attachment DeletedPops off the M62, calls here, round Ainley top Roundabout and back on.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 20, 2017 16:40:38 GMT 1
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Post by gledhill56 on Sept 20, 2017 17:02:03 GMT 1
Most probably use one of the bus stops in the lay-bys used by the 343 Huddersfield-Halifax service.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 20, 2017 17:43:09 GMT 1
That stop will only be there for registration purposes, I doubt they will advertise it beyond a footnote, or expect people to use it.
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Post by gooderson1 on Sept 20, 2017 17:46:33 GMT 1
The 343 at Ainley Top wanders the back roads at this point and uses Yew Tree Road which crosses the main Huddersfield-Ainley Top Rd. The only lay-bys City-Zap could use are those situated on either side of the road between the M62 and Ainley Top. The problem, at the moment, is that both lay-bys are used by cars, and HGV's taking breaks. I also think that there is a "mobile" truck stop in one of the lay-bys.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Sept 20, 2017 19:28:17 GMT 1
Unless........it comes off at Ainley Top (24), down to lights, turn left onto A643, Lindley Moor Road, use the bus lay by, just past Hotel, continue on A643, to rejoin at Junction 23, and vice versa.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 20, 2017 19:29:37 GMT 1
The 343 at Ainley Top wanders the back roads at this point and uses Yew Tree Road which crosses the main Huddersfield-Ainley Top Rd. The only lay-bys City-Zap could use are those situated on either side of the road between the M62 and Ainley Top. The problem, at the moment, is that both lay-bys are used by cars, and HGV's taking breaks. I also think that there is a "mobile" truck stop in one of the lay-bys. If you look on google street view there are bus stops there
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Post by gooderson1 on Sept 20, 2017 19:47:18 GMT 1
Have looked at Google street view and I understand what you mean. But given that the route is registered as "City Zap" I assume that it is meant to operate as "fast" as possible between Manchester and Leeds via Ainley Top. So why should the route run round roads in the Ainley Top area rather than run off the motorway circle the roundabout and head back to the motorway.
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Post by passenger859 on Sept 20, 2017 21:27:45 GMT 1
Leeds to a Manchester would be good. Compete with the 060. However 060 vehicles are very comfortable.
Most weeks I get the TransPennine Express train into Manchester. Occasionally do the 060 for a change or sometimes the 202/3+184 if time to spare. 184 is such a spectacular bus route.
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Post by gledhill56 on Sept 20, 2017 21:53:03 GMT 1
The 343 at Ainley Top wanders the back roads at this point and uses Yew Tree Road which crosses the main Huddersfield-Ainley Top Rd. The only lay-bys City-Zap could use are those situated on either side of the road between the M62 and Ainley Top. The problem, at the moment, is that both lay-bys are used by cars, and HGV's taking breaks. I also think that there is a "mobile" truck stop in one of the lay-bys. You’ll find the 343 does use those stops in the lay-bys, waited there many a time to meet family members and 343s have passed me on the way to/from Blackley.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 21, 2017 2:15:15 GMT 1
The 343 at Ainley Top wanders the back roads at this point and uses Yew Tree Road which crosses the main Huddersfield-Ainley Top Rd. The only lay-bys City-Zap could use are those situated on either side of the road between the M62 and Ainley Top. The problem, at the moment, is that both lay-bys are used by cars, and HGV's taking breaks. I also think that there is a "mobile" truck stop in one of the lay-bys. If you look on google street view there are bus stops there Like the one on the map I posted...
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Post by wibble on Sept 21, 2017 8:18:09 GMT 1
The 343 at Ainley Top wanders the back roads at this point and uses Yew Tree Road which crosses the main Huddersfield-Ainley Top Rd. The only lay-bys City-Zap could use are those situated on either side of the road between the M62 and Ainley Top. The problem, at the moment, is that both lay-bys are used by cars, and HGV's taking breaks. I also think that there is a "mobile" truck stop in one of the lay-bys. You’ll find the 343 does use those stops in the lay-bys, waited there many a time to meet family members and 343s have passed me on the way to/from Blackley. In theory West Yorks bus company staff passes could be valid between Ainley top and Leeds....
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Post by gooderson1 on Sept 21, 2017 8:33:27 GMT 1
I stand corrected but in my defence I looked at the route description on the WY Metro site and that shows the rout running from Huddersfield via HRI and along Yew Tree Rd crossing Halifax Road and heading off along various roads ending in Halifax hence my comment. I have now looked at the timetable and unless I am mistaken the timing points on the timetable appear to be different(in places) than the route description.
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Post by passenger859 on Sept 21, 2017 18:59:10 GMT 1
I'll certainly use it often on Sunday mornings/lunchtimes to get home from Manchester to Leeds fast. I find the trains are horrendously busy on Sundays - too many reserved seats. Plus my gaff is nearer to Leeds City Bus Station than Leeds Station.
Hope they do period return like the Leeds-York. If so I'll prob whiz down by train one trip and back up by bus the next day. Then on next trip whiz down by bus and back up by train the next day.
Hope it's deckers though!
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Post by deerfold on Sept 21, 2017 21:16:12 GMT 1
Have we had any indication of frequencies or operating times?
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Post by ajw11239 on Sept 22, 2017 16:12:29 GMT 1
I would guess every half an hour, like the York-Leeds one. I don't think hourly would be enough, particularly to drag away from the coach/train. Also apparently there are late night-ers potentially planned on Saturday night. Hopefully this time it has more success...
I'd like to see running times a bit more extended on what it is now. At the moment, the last bus from York to Leeds goes at 6pm, which really is fantastically early. Almost like Connexions ran it! Sometimes if I finish work late or get delayed I've got to rush or miss it and get the Coastliner. The York-Leeds corridor is still popular in the evenings too, I've been on some very busy Coastliners in the evening. It'd be good to see it run later than that.
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Post by gooderson1 on Sept 22, 2017 18:08:02 GMT 1
Info posted on a Facebook site states that the service will be leaving Manchester hourly at xx15 with a journey time of 80 minutes. This would mean that the service would arrive in Leeds at xx35 minutes past the hour(M62 traffic permitting). If the departure times and journey times are correct then a return journey from Leeds would start at either xx45(10 minute layover) or xx15(40 minute layover). The second option may be better as it would allow for the return journey from Leeds to start on time if the inward journey to Leeds is late.
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Post by northerner on Sept 22, 2017 22:32:03 GMT 1
80 minutes is longer than the time allocated by National Express on the 060, which would suggest a diversion or longer route around Manchester. As mentioned above, an hourly frequency doesn't seem that much of an incentive for commuters to switch from other modes
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 22, 2017 22:41:57 GMT 1
National Express will go faster as don't the Levantes fly along at 70?
Also is the news from a reliable poster on a reliable Facebook page, or an unreliable poster on an unreliable page? There are sadly far too many of the latter around these days.
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Post by SF07 on Sept 22, 2017 23:12:52 GMT 1
The timetable can be seen on the MyTfGM Journey Planner website. Planning a bus journey between Manchester and Leeds after 5 November brings up the timetable. Timing points listed are: - Leeds City bus station (stand 21)
- Leeds Corn Exchange (towards Leeds only)
- Ainley Top (Lindley Moor Road/Cedar Court Hotel to Manchester and Lindley Moor Road/Warren House Farm towards Leeds)
- Mount (Lindley Moor Road/Moorlands Road)
- Chadderton (Broadway/Middleton Road)
- Manchester Piccadilly Gardens (stand R to Leeds, stand S to Manchester)
- Manchester Chorlton Street (stand EZ outside coach station - same stand as X41/X43)
The timetables suggests the service will run along the A643 between junctions 24 and 23 of the M62. Service will run at following times: Leeds to Manchester Journey time is 1 hour 15 mins (average):- Weekdays: 0630, 0700, 0815, 0930 and every hour until 1830
- Saturdays: 0830 and every hour until 1830
- Sundays: 0930 and every hour until 1730
Manchester to Leeds Journey time is 1 hour 20 mins (average).:- Weekdays: 0600, 0700, 0800, 0900, 1015 and every hour until 1815 (plus 0550 and 0620 from Mount to Leeds)
- Saturdays: 0815 and every hour until 1815 (plus 0745 from Mount to Leeds)
- Sundays: 0915 and every hour until 1715 (plus 0845 from Mount to Leeds)
The timetable allows 30 minutes waiting time in Manchester and 55 minutes at Leeds to cover late running. my.tfgm.com/#/timetables/?service=UKNational:B_ZAP&mode=BUS&date=2017-11-10
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