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Post by SF07 on Sept 11, 2017 21:18:31 GMT 1
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Post by angrycommuter on Sept 12, 2017 7:39:28 GMT 1
The roadworks on the m62/M60 round Manchester will finish soon and so I guess the service will start once the motorway is complete. Question is will it be direct Leeds to Manchester or will it stop off somewhere in between.
To be honest I'm surprised the Leeds York service is a success as everytime I've seen it there haven't been too many passengers on it.
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Post by ajw11239 on Sept 12, 2017 14:47:21 GMT 1
It's confirmed as being Leeds - Manchester. Have to admit I'll be quite keen to use this when it launches.
I'm not sure if it will stop in between, but my best guess is that it will have to make a stop somewhere in the middle. This is because there's something in the rules about concession passes being accepted on services that it can't go over a certain distance without a stop. This is why the current ZAP service from York to Leeds stops at Hazelwood Castle Hotel.
The passenger usage of the ZAP has been quite interesting really. I don't think it's quite gathered the expected passengers - it was advertised as a bit of a commuter option as a train alternative but I don't see it used as such very often. However, during the day when the pensioners come out I've seen some very busy journeys.
What I'd be quite keen to find out is what vehicles this would use - I would imagine double decks but not sure where they'd get them from. Unless they're going to be new, but I doubt it. There are replacements for the rest of the coastliner fleet due next year, which would release 8 B9TL Gemini 2s somewhere.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 12, 2017 18:07:59 GMT 1
I'm guessing it will be B7RLEs ex Mainline. We'd know already if new buses were arriving before November.
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Post by leedsbus on Sept 12, 2017 18:23:16 GMT 1
Maybe Leeds - Harrogate - Ripon every 20 mins combined with the 36 to be every 10 mins. It's been stated above quite clearly that the route will be from Leeds to Manchester.
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Post by aspergetti on Sept 12, 2017 18:42:41 GMT 1
My money's on either Wetherby-M1-Leeds with maybe an extension to Knaresbrough or Manchester-M62-Leeds. I doubt whether they would do Leeds - Harrogate - Ripon as it would simply extract money from the 36. If it is Manchester to Leeds it may be wrapped up with their deal with Megabus.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 12, 2017 18:52:17 GMT 1
Maybe Leeds - Harrogate - Ripon every 20 mins combined with the 36 to be every 10 mins. It's been stated above quite clearly that the route will be from Leeds to Manchester. But not confirmed until after davopazzo had posted. You can't expect people to be able to predict the future.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 12, 2017 18:52:53 GMT 1
My money's on either Wetherby-M1-Leeds with maybe an extension to Knaresbrough or Manchester-M62-Leeds. I doubt whether they would do Leeds - Harrogate - Ripon as it would simply extract money from the 36. If it is Manchester to Leeds it may be wrapped up with their deal with Megabus. It was confirmed as Leeds to Manchester.
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Post by davopazza on Sept 12, 2017 19:11:06 GMT 1
Maybe Leeds - Harrogate - Ripon every 20 mins combined with the 36 to be every 10 mins. It's been stated above quite clearly that the route will be from Leeds to Manchester. If you read the thread, it was mentioned that it could be but not confirmed as the words "do NOT quote me in this" where used. It was confirmed after I posted so I don't think there was really any need in your post.
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Post by 96tommy on Sept 12, 2017 20:48:36 GMT 1
To be honest I'm surprised the Leeds York service is a success as everytime I've seen it there haven't been too many passengers on it. I said the same on another forum and you'd have thought by others responses, dozens use it every journey. I see it go by maybe 10 times a day and very rare do they look anywhere near busy. Many times I've counted only 2 or 3 people on it. Average I would say 8 or 9, especially during the off peak. Does anyone know where thus will terminate at Manchester. I wouldnt be surprised to see it run Leeds Coach Station (like the X62) to Manchester Coach Station.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 12, 2017 21:14:19 GMT 1
I bet it will run from Leeds bus station to Manchester Chorlton Street. I believe Transdev have a member of staff at Chorlton Street so it'd make sense to run to there.
I hope the timetable isn't as tight at Cityzap 1 is, as the traffic on the M62 makes the A64 look like a back street, and the timetable could fall into disarray at any given moment. Unlike Cityzap 1 you can't just get on the Coastliner instead.
They'll also need buses with a bit of power to get up the hill towards Rishworth Moor westbound.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 12, 2017 21:28:02 GMT 1
I bet it will run from Leeds bus station to Manchester Chorlton Street. I believe Transdev have a member of staff at Chorlton Street so it'd make sense to run to there. I've never seen one there when catching the X43 but I wouldn't be surprised if they do terminate there.
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Post by northerner on Sept 12, 2017 21:53:56 GMT 1
Burnley is an interesting choice of depot to use for the route, suspect there will be quite a bit of dead running involved
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Post by deerfold on Sept 12, 2017 22:31:50 GMT 1
Burnley is an interesting choice of depot to use for the route, suspect there will be quite a bit of dead running involved There's a lack of nearby ones. Perhaps some early X43s won't return to Burnley - I'm sure they don't need to be as frequent in that direction.
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Post by SF07 on Sept 12, 2017 23:34:59 GMT 1
Interesting to see that the Transdev Lancashire website have now changed the wording of the article (original one quoted at top of page 2 of this thread) about the new Cityzap route. The first paragraph has changed from "ZAPPING between Leeds and Manchester, FAST" to "ZAPPING with our second Cityzap route". They've also removed the third paragraph, which mentions about running between Leeds and Manchester with free WiFi and USB charging. lancashirebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=2122
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 12, 2017 23:52:16 GMT 1
Because they've let the cat out of the bag before the big reveal
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Post by deerfold on Sept 13, 2017 9:23:34 GMT 1
Because they've let the cat out of the bag before the big reveal They've already done that on twitter.
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Post by SF07 on Sept 13, 2017 20:25:35 GMT 1
Yep, the clues are there
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Post by WYBS on Sept 13, 2017 20:31:24 GMT 1
I think it is crucial that they run it via Huddersfield as it would open 3 potential markets instead of just 1 although it would add a little time onto the overall journey. Personally I can't see Leeds to Manc direct being successful, there is no way they can compete with the train service and already existing National Express. If I was working in Manchester I would use not use it, as an enthusiast of course I would but a company can't rely on that for profit.
Running the service via Huddersfield would create a fast direct link between Leeds and Hudds, taking maybe 45 minutes, compared to a journey that now takes about 80 mins. I believe there would be a large market for that service rather than using First/ Arriva, and it would be easier to compete with a train journey.
Secondly, it would link up Huddersfield and Manchester with a quick service, again competing with the 184 (which takes about 2 hours) and the train.
Although this would add more time, I don't believe there would be that many through-passengers from Leeds to Manc anyway!
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Post by northerner on Sept 13, 2017 20:36:29 GMT 1
Leeds-Huddersfield could really prove popular, especially as the trains are rammed in the peaks. Won't the route need to be split due to the driving regulations like the X62 Leeds-Hull is? If so, Huddersfield would make perfect sense
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 13, 2017 20:52:17 GMT 1
Although you are saying running direct wouldn't compete with the train, but neither would any journey via Huddersfield? I guess the train is irrelevant in the plans as no version of the route is competitive.
You'd be adding a good extra 30 mins going via Huddersfield
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Sept 19, 2017 6:32:08 GMT 1
Will this lead to Direct Competition with National Express and the 060 coach which does a Direct Liverpool - Manchester - Leeds. Every hour. Especially with a Chorlton Street departure "right outside the coach station"
Plus the 060 goes via Chadderton along the A663/A627M so dodges the never ending roadworks part where "birch services" is on the M62.
Maybe this new Cityzap should get a Shudehill Departure, and compete with Manchester Victoria services, running out over M62 into Halifax, (via A629 Calderdale way) out of Halifax via A58 onto Chain bar, then M62/M621 back into Leeds.
That'll probably add 30 mins (going via Halifax) that'll be no go via peak especially on the A629
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Post by wibble on Sept 19, 2017 8:15:57 GMT 1
Will this lead to Direct Competition with National Express and the 060 coach which does a Direct Liverpool - Manchester - Leeds. Every hour. Especially with a Chorlton Street departure "right outside the coach station" Plus the 060 goes via Chadderton along the A663/A627M so dodges the never ending roadworks part where "birch services" is on the M62. Maybe this new Cityzap should get a Shudehill Departure, and compete with Manchester Victoria services, running out over M62 into Halifax, (via A629 Calderdale way) out of Halifax via A58 onto Chain bar, then M62/M621 back into Leeds. That'll probably add 30 mins (going via Halifax) that'll be no go via peak especially on the A629 There's currently roadworks on A629 into Halifax for the next year, so peak traffic queues are like they are in the off peak and peak queues are just silly so probably a no go for 12months, unfortuantely, as then I would have cityzap on the doorstep!
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Post by twansport on Sept 19, 2017 19:28:17 GMT 1
Has this been registered as a bus service or a coach service?
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 19, 2017 22:02:53 GMT 1
Part registration only it seems at the moment
PC0005249/154 BURNLEY & PENDLE TRAVEL LTD CITY ZAP MANCHESTER CHORLTON STREET HUDDERSFIELD AINLEY TOP
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