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Post by ajw11239 on Sept 8, 2017 15:13:45 GMT 1
Just seen this on CityZap's twitter about a second route being launched soon:
Launching 5th November.
Anyone know anything more yet about where / what with?
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 8, 2017 15:27:56 GMT 1
If it's going to connect two cities then there isn't a huge range of options - Leeds to Bradford, Wakefield or Ripon look like the best bets.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 8, 2017 15:54:56 GMT 1
I'm guessing it will be firmly within the Transdev area rather than in someone else's area.
Maybe another attempt at Harrogate York?
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Post by nic on Sept 8, 2017 16:26:35 GMT 1
Or they expanding the brand over the pennine and that is where the 2nd route will be launched.
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 8, 2017 18:45:48 GMT 1
I'm guessing it will be firmly within the Transdev area rather than in someone else's area. Maybe another attempt at Harrogate York? Harrogate is not a City. |
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Post by tractorned on Sept 8, 2017 18:50:05 GMT 1
Might it be North West based?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 8, 2017 19:11:43 GMT 1
I'm guessing it will be firmly within the Transdev area rather than in someone else's area. Maybe another attempt at Harrogate York? Harrogate is not a City. I would have thought only one destination would need to be a city to qualify if you take the brand name literally. I did think about the Lancashire, but they've already got fast and direct Witch Way, Red Express & Hotline. |
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Sept 8, 2017 19:54:33 GMT 1
Would Transdev want to compete with National Express perhaps on a Leeds to Manchester non stop route? With low walk up fares and no need to book in advance for a specific bus you'd need to stick to it really could be competitive and more attractive than National Express.
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Post by Marcus on Sept 8, 2017 20:04:43 GMT 1
If it's going to connect two cities then there isn't a huge range of options - Leeds to Bradford, Wakefield or Ripon look like the best bets. I doubt it'd be Leeds - Bradford as the X6 already has a reasonable journey time and uses (probably) the fastest route available |
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Post by northerner on Sept 8, 2017 22:13:47 GMT 1
Would Transdev want to compete with National Express perhaps on a Leeds to Manchester non stop route? With low walk up fares and no need to book in advance for a specific bus you'd need to stick to it really could be competitive and more attractive than National Express. Leeds-Manchester could have some potential, but given the unpredictability of the M62 it could affect reliability which could put people off. It would also compete against Megabus, who Transdev have recently partnered with so would seem a bit illogical |
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Post by ajw11239 on Sept 8, 2017 23:55:13 GMT 1
It's quite cryptic but I reckon it'd be one from York, or at least passing through it. I did wonder about maybe a York-Hull one? Not sure if it'd quite have the demand but the current EYMS service times are quite long and take a long route, especially now they've axed the X4.
I did hear someone suggest something to Malton from York but I strongly doubt that - the coastliner covers that area in a reasonable journey time and they have the X40 during Summer peak - which to be honest doesn't really save much time. From experience the traffic on the A64 means the normal coastliner has caught up by Stockton.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 0:48:45 GMT 1
I would have thought only one destination would need to be a city to qualify if you take the brand name literally. I did think about the Lancashire, but they've already got fast and direct Witch Way, Red Express & Hotline. Using the logic that it only needs to serve 1 City,then a couple of suggestions: Keighley - Bradford,as the Train currently takes around Half hour,so if they went Non-stop via the A650 I think its possible to match that journey time,plus it would also build on the popular Shuttle servuce they already operate. Wetherby - Leeds,being operated by Harrogate depot (possibly a couple of trips that extend to/from Harrogate to reduce dead milage),would provide quicker journey times than the current 70 but only problem being they would have to compete against First,what already operate via proberbly the quickest route. |
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Post by peteleeds on Sept 9, 2017 7:30:11 GMT 1
Does it even need to be a Yorkshire route? The vamooz brand is now used on trips in the reading area after all
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Sept 9, 2017 8:18:18 GMT 1
If it's going to connect two cities then there isn't a huge range of options - Leeds to Bradford, Wakefield or Ripon look like the best bets. I doubt it'd be Leeds - Bradford as the X6 already has a reasonable journey time and uses (probably) the fastest route available Leeds - Bradford via X6 route i.e. A647 takes 35 minutes+ Leeds - Bradford via National Express i.e motorway takes 25 minutes+ |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 9, 2017 10:29:05 GMT 1
Based on what vehicles are available, I'm guessing this one might be single decker run using some of the spare ex-Mainline buses.
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Post by tyresmoke on Sept 9, 2017 12:03:47 GMT 1
Ripon Leeds would link two cities, allowing them to boost the 36 between Harrogate & Leeds by reducing the frequency to Ripon.
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Post by davopazza on Sept 9, 2017 18:41:07 GMT 1
Maybe increased frequency between York and Leeds with an extension to Pontefract after Utopia service going.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 9, 2017 18:52:15 GMT 1
Maybe increased frequency between York and Leeds with an extension to Pontefract after Utopia service going. Very funny  I'm still thinking it'll be something involving Harrogate & York maybe via Wetherby, maybe via Knaresborough. The X54 was attempted during a previous management so it might be worth another go. |
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Post by northerner on Sept 9, 2017 21:14:21 GMT 1
Maybe increased frequency between York and Leeds with an extension to Pontefract after Utopia service going. Very funny I'm still thinking it'll be something involving Harrogate & York maybe via Wetherby, maybe via Knaresborough. The X54 was attempted during a previous management so it might be worth another go. If we're in fantasy land I'll go for Skipton-Keighley-Leeds, therefore providing additional capacity on routes which have had a reduction in seats |
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 10, 2017 9:41:36 GMT 1
Maybe increased frequency between York and Leeds with an extension to Pontefract after Utopia service going. Very funny I'm still thinking it'll be something involving Harrogate & York maybe via Wetherby, maybe via Knaresborough. The X54 was attempted during a previous management so it might be worth another go. On the whole concept of Cityzap that would just be Harrogate and York with possible a stop or two somewhere in the middle of nowhere so allowing the driver some freedom on the route taken. Can't see via Knaresborough being tried again due to the erratic free moving/ solid traffic jam nature of that stretch of the A59 and via Wetherby would take too long at most times of the day. Take both out as stopping locations and it immediately offers the use of the A661/A658 by passing Knaresborough. |
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Post by nic on Sept 10, 2017 14:58:19 GMT 1
Completely throwing a curve ball out there but what about York-Selby? Compete with Arriva but have a more direct route as it is non-stop and they would be able to successfully pick up the traffic that does go York-Selby with Arriva?
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Post by ajw11239 on Sept 11, 2017 9:07:01 GMT 1
I have heard (do NOT quote me on this!) from someone in Burnley that there is a sign for the new ZAP service to be Leeds - Manchester.
I can see this being a good idea, it would be great for the Daytripper to be able to go direct, rather than taking numerous other services.
Taking a look at driving times:
"1 h 37 min (44.6 miles)
via M62
Fastest route, despite congestion causing 39-min delay"
So it looks like normally it should take them just over an hour, although as someone else pointed out - the M62 is variable for traffic, at best.
The only bit I wouldn't be sure about is whether the bus would call at Huddersfield - or somewhere in the middle. I believe for a bus service to accept concessionary passes, it needs to go no more than a certain distance without a stop. This is why the ZAP has the secret middle stop of Hazelwood Castle. So there'd need to be some registered stop in the middle somewhere. Or maybe they wouldn't accept it.
It's not a bad idea as it would represent a big saving compared to the train - assuming it'd be no more than £9.50 return (the cost of a DayTripper), that's not far off half the price of a off-peak return (£17) and less than half off a peak one (£20.50). And if you're going from York and changing at Leeds, it's £28 return off peak. So definitely a market.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 11, 2017 10:51:07 GMT 1
I have heard (do NOT quote me on this!) from someone in Burnley that there is a sign for the new ZAP service to be Leeds - Manchester. I can see this being a good idea, it would be great for the Daytripper to be able to go direct, rather than taking numerous other services. Taking a look at driving times: "1 h 37 min (44.6 miles) via M62 Fastest route, despite congestion causing 39-min delay" So it looks like normally it should take them just over an hour, although as someone else pointed out - the M62 is variable for traffic, at best. The only bit I wouldn't be sure about is whether the bus would call at Huddersfield - or somewhere in the middle. I believe for a bus service to accept concessionary passes, it needs to go no more than a certain distance without a stop. This is why the ZAP has the secret middle stop of Hazelwood Castle. So there'd need to be some registered stop in the middle somewhere. Or maybe they wouldn't accept it. It's not a bad idea as it would represent a big saving compared to the train - assuming it'd be no more than £9.50 return (the cost of a DayTripper), that's not far off half the price of a off-peak return (£17) and less than half off a peak one (£20.50). And if you're going from York and changing at Leeds, it's £28 return off peak. So definitely a market. Don't forget, those who are very price conscious can travel with megabus (from £2.50 return - looking at today I can see £7 returns) or National Express (I can see £5.40 returns). Sorry for quoting you! |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 11, 2017 19:48:02 GMT 1
They've now confirmed on Twitter that Cityzap 2 will be to/from Leeds
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Post by davopazza on Sept 11, 2017 20:13:49 GMT 1
Maybe Leeds - Harrogate - Ripon every 20 mins combined with the 36 to be every 10 mins.
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