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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 3, 2016 23:27:44 GMT 1
Why do people keep mentioning the existence of trains, as an excuse to not have buses?
If Transdev took this approach there wouldn't be a 36, Coastliner or Cityzap.
The part of the X6 they are keeping is presumably also unnecessary as there are frequent trains between Bradford and Leeds
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 3, 2016 23:37:30 GMT 1
Why do people keep mentioning the existence of trains, as an excuse to not have buses? If Transdev took this approach there wouldn't be a 36, Coastliner or Cityzap. The part of the X6 they are keeping is presumably also unnecessary as there are frequent trains between Bradford and Leeds Ah depends on route. Bradford to Ilkley buses were quietly dropped after improved train services. 36 buses compete with the train.
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Post by kommie123 on Jul 4, 2016 12:23:50 GMT 1
Yes but those routes do genuinely compete with the train. The buses between Harrogate and Leeds are much more frequent and dont take much longer than the train, the CityZap/CL - take around 20-25 mins longer but may still fail as I barely see them a quarter full now and the X64 failed spectacularly. Huddersfield to Leeds - you must either be insane or have way way too much time on your hands to take triple the amount of time over the train.
You are right about the X6, its not needed at all really.
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 4, 2016 18:40:39 GMT 1
Cityzap faults are that there is no through ticketing from wider York and that it runs direct to Leeds Bus Station; the 36 takes a lot of custom originating off its route and a lot of its passengers use the stops on Vicar Lane / New Briggate (plus the peak hour additional stops) - these offset time wise any gain that the train may have depending on the passengers actual destination.
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Post by SF07 on Jul 4, 2016 20:25:41 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Jul 4, 2016 23:26:46 GMT 1
Why do people keep mentioning the existence of trains, as an excuse to not have buses? If Transdev took this approach there wouldn't be a 36, Coastliner or Cityzap. The part of the X6 they are keeping is presumably also unnecessary as there are frequent trains between Bradford and Leeds It depends on the route and the purpose of the service. The 36 provides a competitive service – it takes 45 minutes from Harrogate to Leeds, compared with 35 minutes on the train, but with the greater choice of stops at each end, it might well be as quick or quicker door-to-door for a lot of people. Even if it is slightly slower, it is just that – slightly slower – and that is unlikely to put many people off. CityZap likewise offers door-to-door journey times that are reasonably competitive against the train. Coastliner provides a lot of intermediate journeys that the train doesn't cater for. I don't know how many people actually get the bus for long distances where they could get the train for their whole journey. It is helped by there being very little need to divert off the main road apart from for the main towns and cities along the route. But plenty of other interurban buses don't even attempt to compete with the train. Arriva don't make any real effort to attract passengers travelling from Selby to Leeds or Doncaster, where the buses meander all over the place and are pitifully slow compared with the train. What's the USP of a bus between Huddersfield and Leeds? If it's non-stop via M62/M621, you're looking at about 40 minutes, compared with a frequent train journey of <20 minutes. CityZap has a slightly better time ratio than that, but it works because the train costs £13 for a single ticket – whereas LDS—HUD is only £5.50, so fare-paying passengers are much less likely to feel that it is worth sacrificing time to save money – would you really attract enough passengers to justify a good service? Or you could run it through Heckmondwike and Birstall, straight up the A62 and onto the M621, which would give you more chance of picking up intermediate passengers, but would increase the journey time to more like 50 minutes, making it even less attractive for end-to-end journeys.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 6, 2016 20:02:04 GMT 1
A change that has been overlooked. The 66 will be reduced back to run every 30 minutes, but it will run every 15 minutes at equal intervals with the M4, rather than all the buses running on top of each other as currently.
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Post by northerner on Jul 6, 2016 20:09:23 GMT 1
A change that has been overlooked. The 66 will be reduced back to run every 30 minutes, but it will run every 15 minutes at equal intervals with the M4, rather than all the buses running on top of each other as currently. This is changing from September, along with 762 being renumbered to 62
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 6, 2016 20:13:09 GMT 1
This is an interesting note on the First Bradford page about the X63, changing it more like an express bus than a stopping bus with slight restrictions. Plus it will gain X6 express livery by the look of things. These changes do mean that parts of the route such as Odsal area will no longer have any bus to Huddersfield.
Service X63 - revised stopping pattern and increased to every 10 minutes To replace the X6, we will run a revised X63 every 10 minutes Bradford to Huddersfield via Brighouse. The stopping patterns will be revised - from Bradford Interchange the first bus stop will be at Smiddles Lane/Mayo Avenue then at Netherlands Avenue - then all stops will be served to Fartown Bar then Huddersfield John William Street and Bus Station.
From Huddersfield Bus Station, the X63 will pick up at the Railway Station then non stop to Fartown Bar, then all stops to Netherlands Avenue before calling at Smiddles Lane/Mayo Avenue and Bradford Interchange.
Passengers for Leeds may purchase through fares to use on the X6 at £2.80 single, £4.70 day or £20 week Look out for refurbished buses in a new blue and gold livery with free wifi coming to the X63 during the summer.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 7, 2016 0:01:16 GMT 1
With the X63 already operating via Odsal underpass, there is no connection from/to other services at Odsal Top anyway.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 7, 2016 2:02:55 GMT 1
BrontëBus changes: Mon-Sat evenings will run straight back to Keighley, arriving 5 minutes earlier. Sunday evenings the 665 will operate an hourly service at 35 past from Keighley, but not interwork with the K7.
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Post by clifton on Jul 8, 2016 20:51:42 GMT 1
Hopefully the X63 will get some newer Geminis on it. The 54 reg ones are hammered.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 11, 2016 18:57:02 GMT 1
There are a few service cuts in Halifax that have been over shadowed by events in other areas.
The Mixenden services being reduced from every 10 to every 15 minutes
The Norton Tower service being reduced from every 20 to every 30 minutes at off peak times
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Post by deerfold on Jul 11, 2016 20:38:19 GMT 1
There are a few service cuts in Halifax that have been over shadowed by events in other areas. The Mixenden services being reduced from every 10 to every 15 minutes The Norton Tower service being reduced from every 20 to every 30 minutes at off peak times Are T J Walsh having troubles with enough drivers? They're reducing the 300 from 5bph to 4bph, the 400 from 3 bph to 1.5bph - both these have been unchanged for years and the only recent innovation, the 800 is withdrawn.
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Post by Craig on Jul 11, 2016 20:50:08 GMT 1
The Norton Tower service being reduced from every 20 to every 30 minutes at off peak times It appears that off-peak there will be 4 buses per hour including the new 545, but that will use a different route along Pellon Lane, leaving a large part of the 542 with a half-hourly service as mentioned. Presumably this change is to partly mitigate the Mixenden cut, as it will bring the combined First service on Pellon Lane to every 15 mins. Classic First, presumably trying to compete but creating cuts and confusing timetables in order to do it with no additional resource. (Note this replaces the recently introduced 541 off peak service)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 11, 2016 21:03:51 GMT 1
Also with Siddal and Norton Tower routes now being split off peak on two different frequencies, I wonder if they should split them entirely as two separate services, as the combined timetable with no through buses doesn't look very user friendly.
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Post by SF07 on Jul 12, 2016 18:35:59 GMT 1
PB0004451/25 - THE HALIFAX BUS CO LTD, 18 STONECROFT MOUNT, SOWERBY BRIDGE, HX6 2SB Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Albion Street, Halifax Finish Point: Commercial Street, Halifax Via: Service Number: 527 Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride Effective Date: 25-JUL-2016 Other Details: Monday to Friday 3 times a day
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 12, 2016 21:42:24 GMT 1
The new X6 timetable is now on the metro website (plus all the other timetables)
Looks like 10 buses will be required at off peak times with more besides at peak times. Looks like 12 in the afternoon.
So expect Gemini appearances daily, perhaps some generic 'blue' spares that could be used for both the X6 and X63?
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Post by deerfold on Jul 12, 2016 23:48:42 GMT 1
PB0004451/25 - THE HALIFAX BUS CO LTD, 18 STONECROFT MOUNT, SOWERBY BRIDGE, HX6 2SB Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Albion Street, Halifax Finish Point: Commercial Street, Halifax Via: Service Number: 527 Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride Effective Date: 25-JUL-2016 Other Details: Monday to Friday 3 times a day Well that's not in Metro's leaflet. Anyone know where this will be going? A replacement for the extensions of the 700 that are being withdrawn?
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Post by tinrocket on Jul 14, 2016 15:29:23 GMT 1
Is there any replacement for the 420? A few links lost here and no buses for Cridling Stubbs (something I wrongly pointed out when the 430 was withdrawn a few years ago!).
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Post by SF07 on Jul 14, 2016 21:39:58 GMT 1
PB0000815/15 - FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Leeds, Infirmary Street and Deighton Bar given service number X99/X98 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0000815/165 - FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Huddersfield and Halifax given service number 537/C42 effective from 08-Jul-2016. To amend Route.
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Post by 37057 on Jul 16, 2016 13:42:46 GMT 1
Anyone know whos running the 10 min x63 service and x11 service ?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 16, 2016 14:39:21 GMT 1
X63 is joint Bradford/Huddersfield X11 was Bradford only (with Leeds doing some 611 peaks)
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Post by andyk4050 on Jul 16, 2016 15:11:24 GMT 1
X63 is joint Bradford/Huddersfield X11 was Bradford only (with Leeds doing some 611 peaks) Leeds will do some short X11s to Pudsey because they're having 611 for services terminating at Bradford Moor the X11 for journeys to Pudsey and Leeds
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Post by leeds rider on Jul 19, 2016 9:26:02 GMT 1
Posted yesterday to VOSA:
PB1121999/5 - LADIES ONLY TRAVEL LTD, SHERWOOD ROAD, ARMYTAGE ROAD INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, BRIGHOUSE, HD6 1QG Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Bradford Interchange and Mayo Avenue Morrisons given service number 635 effective from 25-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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