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Post by trixmax2000 on Apr 20, 2017 19:58:41 GMT 1
It would be better for the bus to keep going then trying to stop which could have ended up blocking the roundabout,my cousin is a retired traffic policeman until he retired and he also said the bus driver was wright to keep going,
also I had a pcv from 21 until I retired at 65 and stopping a bus is not a easy as stopping a car
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Post by davopazza on Apr 20, 2017 20:01:20 GMT 1
Again we don't really know the full story and I used to actually work for the emergency services myself. I like to understand the full story and not get one sided version of events.
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Post by MT on Apr 22, 2017 9:12:28 GMT 1
Having watched the clip, whilst the bus had right of way, there was ample time to slow down and let the police car pass. Dead of night, good visibility, two cop cars with blues and twos, the bus driver either chose not to let them out or simply didn't think. The response from the cop of "nice one bus driver" sums it up! But hey we all make mistakes. If it was a First bus would this have even been posted? Clearly another case of tiger losing their "roar"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:10:28 GMT 1
Route error early this morning - a 574 managed to get through the very narrow lane through Luddenden village and up Stocks Lane, only to get stuck at the hairpin bend part way up the hill instead of going to Booth.
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Post by boeing737229adv on Apr 27, 2017 19:40:03 GMT 1
Tiger seem to've let repainting take a back seat yet again! Wright Cadet 624 is still in K-line livery, as are a couple of solos still! I saw 624 in town (Huddersfield) today and it definitely looks like a trip to the paint shop is long overdue!! It was on Route 84 I think, about 12:20. The 2 DAF Commanders (613/4 - KUI 9266/8) that still have the Route 324 branding should have it removed coz they're just going on any old route, I've not noticed one actually on the 324 for a while! (altho I understand this may be due to a capacity issue) btw, have those new Enviro 200s for the LBA routes been delivered yet?
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Post by A1YBG on Apr 27, 2017 20:44:31 GMT 1
Tiger seem to've let repainting take a back seat yet again! Wright Cadet 624 is still in K-line livery, as are a couple of solos still! I saw 624 in town (Huddersfield) today and it definitely looks like a trip to the paint shop is long overdue!! It was on Route 84 I think, about 12:20. The 2 DAF Commanders (613/4 - KUI 9266/8) that still have the Route 324 branding should have it removed coz they're just going on any old route, I've not noticed one actually on the 324 for a while! (altho I understand this may be due to a capacity issue) btw, have those new Enviro 200s for the LBA routes been delivered yet? The enviro200s haven't even been built yet! Latest was yesterday that the chassis was being delivered to ADL
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Post by WYBS on Apr 27, 2017 21:43:25 GMT 1
Ex Arriva dart on 757 every day for a while now.
Are they having a laugh?!?!
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Post by 69340 on Apr 27, 2017 23:11:05 GMT 1
Ex Arriva dart on 757 every day for a while now. Are they having a laugh?!?! its supposed to be on there because its on the 781 to leeds then does the 1400 757 to lbia. its an extra bus to help buses be on time at the evening peak. with that extra bus on buses in leeds get 20-25 mins layover time if needed if there is any traffic from the airport
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 28, 2017 0:05:21 GMT 1
I see this thread is still the 'mention every little slight thing that wouldn't even be noticed if it was another operator' thread.
I suppose with LOT no longer in service people need a target to moan about
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Post by boeing737229adv on Apr 28, 2017 9:37:42 GMT 1
Ex Arriva dart on 757 every day for a while now. Are they having a laugh?!?! They need to at least paint that dart in navy blue, really wouldn't create a good first impression for someone visiting Yorkshire for the first time! (They will of been told to look out for dark blue 'Flying Tiger' Buses at LBA, not Arriva ones!)
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Post by britannia94 on Apr 28, 2017 10:26:29 GMT 1
Ex Arriva dart on 757 every day for a while now. Are they having a laugh?!?! its supposed to be on there because its on the 781 to leeds then does the 1400 757 to lbia. its an extra bus to help buses be on time at the evening peak. with that extra bus on buses in leeds get 20-25 mins layover time if needed if there is any traffic from the airport Good to see this happen for the 757. Just hope they plan to do something for the 737/747. Two buses operate the service between them, now usually this isn't a problem but the service only gives a 5 minute layover at Bradford and 10 minutes at LBA. Now the slight issue at any point of the day which delays the bus means it's playing catch up, add the driver changes at the airport it all soon adds up. The same for the 747 3 buses to operate the whole service which is fine when things run smoothly but slightest hiccup and that's it there playing potentially playing catch up, I know with this service it hasn't helped recently with roadworks at Apperley Bridge.
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Post by 69340 on Apr 28, 2017 13:13:19 GMT 1
its supposed to be on there because its on the 781 to leeds then does the 1400 757 to lbia. its an extra bus to help buses be on time at the evening peak. with that extra bus on buses in leeds get 20-25 mins layover time if needed if there is any traffic from the airport Good to see this happen for the 757. Just hope they plan to do something for the 737/747. Two buses operate the service between them, now usually this isn't a problem but the service only gives a 5 minute layover at Bradford and 10 minutes at LBA. Now the slight issue at any point of the day which delays the bus means it's playing catch up, add the driver changes at the airport it all soon adds up. The same for the 747 3 buses to operate the whole service which is fine when things run smoothly but slightest hiccup and that's it there playing potentially playing catch up, I know with this service it hasn't helped recently with roadworks at Apperley Bridge. That's not always the case some journey switch from 737 to 747 in the evening so journey get 30 mins layover time and the 1710 737 comes off 99
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Post by 69340 on Apr 28, 2017 13:15:49 GMT 1
Ex Arriva dart on 757 every day for a while now. Are they having a laugh?!?! They need to at least paint that dart in navy blue, really wouldn't create a good first impression for someone visiting Yorkshire for the first time! (They will of been told to look out for dark blue 'Flying Tiger' Buses at LBA, not Arriva ones!) Honestly there is no point because of the new buses arriving in June
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Post by deerfold on Apr 28, 2017 16:02:43 GMT 1
I see this thread is still the 'mention every little slight thing that wouldn't even be noticed if it was another operator' thread. I suppose with LOT no longer in service people need a target to moan about I'd take issue with any operator using the wrong route number, the wrong route, regularly missing trips and using buses in seemingly random colours. Especially when no reply is received when they're contacted. I have more issues with YT than Transdev. I have 6 Transdev routes past my house whilst I see and use YT buses every 1-2 weeks.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 28, 2017 19:51:22 GMT 1
Ex Arriva dart on 757 every day for a while now. Are they having a laugh?!?! They need to at least paint that dart in navy blue, really wouldn't create a good first impression for someone visiting Yorkshire for the first time! (They will of been told to look out for dark blue 'Flying Tiger' Buses at LBA, not Arriva ones!) All operators run branded routes with spare vehicles, the only difference here is that it's Arriva livery not tiger orange, but it's the same difference to customers. Even Transdev run branded routes with buses that fail to meet the advertised specification.
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Post by boeing737229adv on May 2, 2017 17:56:55 GMT 1
Someone of authority ~ when is Wright Cadet 624 finally going to be painted? Poor thing REALLY DOES look sorry for itself www.flickr.com/photos/x212-hhe/33514758901/ With that strip missing from the panel under the cab window it doesn't look exactly 'safe' or barely roadworthy even!
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Post by Craig on May 2, 2017 21:51:32 GMT 1
Does this witch hunt need to continue? I'm reluctant to lock the thread as it can still be used for legitimate discussion, but most of these comments could be applied to any operator.
The most recent comment above links to a photo which hardly screams unroadworthy to me. I think I've seen far worse looking buses over the years. Other items listed recently include a driver taking a wrong turn (SHOCK!), an older bus operating in a different livery in order to make the peak timetable more reliable (SCANDAL!) and a TV episode allegedly showing a bus not slowing down quickly enough for a blue light (WRITE TO YOUR MP AND DEMAND ACTION!). OK, so I'm being very sarcastic, but I've watched this thread for some time and feel I have to comment on the witch hunt taking place. I've also merged together the two separate threads which both had posts relating to these same themes.
Yorkshire Tiger are in a difficult position, not helped currently by seemingly frequent changes of management, but that's just how things roll sometimes. Arriva are obviously trying to make it work in the best way they can, but I think they've perhaps realised that a low budget mostly tender led operation doesn't go hand in hand with the well promoted, heavily invested and optimistic Tiger brand that was created. It seems the company is settling into a more sustainable role, which seems rather wise. With hindsight the Tiger brand launch perhaps wasn't the best choice and/or came at the wrong time. I could be wrong and they may still be planning "big things" as was being suggested not that long ago, but it seems that this approach perhaps wisely has been dropped for now. There's certainly room for improvement (will the map showing services to Cross Green, Headingley and other places on their home page ever disappear?!) but I'm hopeful that things will get better and not worse.
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Post by rider5521 on May 2, 2017 22:02:52 GMT 1
It is what it is... A low to medium quality bus operator. The thrills that went with the tiger relaunch were unsustainable. Suspect the Arriva lot don't really care for it but expect a lot from it. Regarding the management changes I saw Fillingham at a meeting not long before his escape and he looked totally brow beaten, and he is one of the most enthusiastic people I know never see him like that. It will plod on offering a service but not of the quality of your high end operators who have not only the budgets but the support of their parent companies.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 2, 2017 22:09:04 GMT 1
I think this sums it all up, the Ray Stenning launch was on a par with what he's doing with Transdev, but it seemingly didn't have the long term backing.
I agree the endless criticism of minor things is tiresome, that K Line Cadet looks no worse than some of the single decks recently transferred into First Leeds. I'd hardly call them a 'low quality operator' though. There are some operators around the country with no buses in any fleet livery, no working blinds, no bus drivers uniform, timetables not kept to in any manner. The sheds that run alongside Transdev in Blackburn are an example of those. They are medium quality.
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Post by boeing737229adv on May 3, 2017 9:50:38 GMT 1
I say that coz if you look at the panel just behind the headlights, that strip in between them's missing, it'd leave a rough/sharp edge (I've drawn an orange ring around said panel) Attachment Deletedphoto credit goes to West Yorkshire Bus Photo's on Flickr
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Post by davopazza on May 3, 2017 17:45:31 GMT 1
It is what it is... A low to medium quality bus operator. The thrills that went with the tiger relaunch were unsustainable. Suspect the Arriva lot don't really care for it but expect a lot from it. Regarding the management changes I saw Fillingham at a meeting not long before his escape and he looked totally brow beaten, and he is one of the most enthusiastic people I know never see him like that. It will plod on offering a service but not of the quality of your high end operators who have not only the budgets but the support of their parent companies. Dare I say he had the same task as our product directors to get investment where they have to compete against the other product lines in our business unit and against product lines in other business units too. Yorkshire Tiger are more than likely up against other Arriva subsidiaries for investment and Arriva will look at the best return. If they have £2 million to invest, I guess they would invest it in the business case in which gives it the best return. I guess this would be frequent busy services against marginal regular services.
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Post by moorside on May 4, 2017 1:06:01 GMT 1
Some of the issues mentioned on this thread might be minor, but I don't think the one about the 574 going off route could be classed as minor: it's one thing perhaps in an urban area to go down the wrong street and miss out one or two stops when the next bus is 10 minutes later, but in this case the bus had gone way off the route; any passengers from Booth or Midgley would have to walk a mile or two for any other bus route or wait an hour till the next 574. How many people must have been inconvenienced as a result of something so basic as a driver not knowing the route?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 16:07:11 GMT 1
Some of the issues mentioned on this thread might be minor, but I don't think the one about the 574 going off route could be classed as minor: it's one thing perhaps in an urban area to go down the wrong street and miss out one or two stops when the next bus is 10 minutes later, but in this case the bus had gone way off the route; any passengers from Booth or Midgley would have to walk a mile or two for any other bus route or wait an hour till the next 574. How many people must have been inconvenienced as a result of something so basic as a driver not knowing the route? I agree 100% with you. A good amount of their work is gained by winning contracts paid for by public money - I'd like it spent running the journeys they are paid to, particularly as the service frequency is often very low on these routes. If other operators aren't doing the job properly, let's have a similar discussion about them too. It isn't trivial! In my opinion this is much more inconvenient than a rather decorative schematic map on its website being out of date. Maybe the title of the thread was just too general from the start and has encouraged the posting of 'unworthy' and 'trivial' things?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 4, 2017 17:41:52 GMT 1
Some of the issues mentioned on this thread might be minor, but I don't think the one about the 574 going off route could be classed as minor: it's one thing perhaps in an urban area to go down the wrong street and miss out one or two stops when the next bus is 10 minutes later, but in this case the bus had gone way off the route; any passengers from Booth or Midgley would have to walk a mile or two for any other bus route or wait an hour till the next 574. How many people must have been inconvenienced as a result of something so basic as a driver not knowing the route? There is not one operator in the country that doesn't have lost mileage from time to time. A driver missing a turning once is not a big deal except for those there at the time, it isn't worthy of making a big issue over. If it happened every hour every day you'd have a point.
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Post by deerfold on May 4, 2017 18:31:55 GMT 1
Some of the issues mentioned on this thread might be minor, but I don't think the one about the 574 going off route could be classed as minor: it's one thing perhaps in an urban area to go down the wrong street and miss out one or two stops when the next bus is 10 minutes later, but in this case the bus had gone way off the route; any passengers from Booth or Midgley would have to walk a mile or two for any other bus route or wait an hour till the next 574. How many people must have been inconvenienced as a result of something so basic as a driver not knowing the route? There is not one operator in the country that doesn't have lost mileage from time to time. A driver missing a turning once is not a big deal except for those there at the time, it isn't worthy of making a big issue over. If it happened every hour every day you'd have a point. Some routes regularly have missing buses. I have disabled relatives who rely on the 22 which should run every 20 minutes. They regularly tell me about waiting an hour or more for one. When they won the routes they're supposed to run the "Calder Cubs" on, they gave the impression they'd be a very high quality operator - with buses that might attract new passengers to the routes. Not only do they regularly not have the promised WiFi and USB chargers they seem to cancel trips on hourly routes far too readily - if people can't rely on the routes then as many as can will start to avoid the bus and we'll lose the routes. As part of one of the big bus groups they should have some backup capacity.
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