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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jun 10, 2022 20:03:46 GMT 1
There will also be a reduced timetable this Sunday 12 June (and 19 June), with customers advised not to travel on this date in light of the many events going on in Manchester, including the BT Pub Cup games at Manchester City Academy Stadium.
Think it's a basic hourly York – Manchester all stations Leeds – Stalybridge, with some bus replacement in the Northeast.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 11, 2022 7:30:33 GMT 1
I received an email from TPE with the warning about the strikes on June 21/23/25 as reported.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jun 11, 2022 14:52:52 GMT 1
I received an email from TPE with the warning about the strikes on June 21/23/25 as reported. There's another thread about the 21–25 June strikes
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jun 13, 2022 13:48:49 GMT 1
Proposed service pattern December 2022
Huddersfield – Leeds (stopper) Liverpool – Cleethorpes via CLC & Sheffield
Liverpool – Stalybridge – Hull Liverpool – Stalybridge – York Manchester Airport – Dewsbury – Saltburn Manchester Vic – Dewsbury – Newcastle Manchester Picc – Huddersfield (stopper) Manchester Picc – Scarborough (semi-fast) Newcastle - Edinburgh
All to be confirmed
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Post by deerfold on Jun 13, 2022 14:43:28 GMT 1
Proposed service pattern from December 2022 Huddersfield – Leeds (stopper) Liverpool – York Liverpool – Hull Liverpool – Cleethorpes Manchester Airport – Saltburn Manchester Piccadilly – Huddersfield (stopper) Manchester Piccadilly – Scarborough (semi-fast) Manchester Victoria – Newcastle Newcastle - Edinburgh All to be confirmed Doubling the current fast/semifast service on the core sounds ambitious. What's the odds the 6tph will be badly bunched?
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 13, 2022 15:47:27 GMT 1
Proposed service pattern from December 2022 Huddersfield – Leeds (stopper) Liverpool – York Liverpool – Hull Liverpool – Cleethorpes Manchester Airport – Saltburn Manchester Piccadilly – Huddersfield (stopper) Manchester Piccadilly – Scarborough (semi-fast) Manchester Victoria – Newcastle Newcastle - Edinburgh All to be confirmed Doubling the current fast/semifast service on the core sounds ambitious. What's the odds the 6tph will be badly bunched? What is being doubled? There will be 5tph running on the proper TransPennine Express services between Manchester and Leeds, plus the hourly stopper service that ought to be run by Northern. That's exactly the same over the core as was running in 2019. Hopefully the class 802s that aren't needed to run to Newcastle will be deployed in a way that allows them to use the electrified lines between Liverpool and Manchester.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 13, 2022 15:56:13 GMT 1
Liverpool to Cleethorpes being via Sheffield of course
The reason Hull was given the semi-fast before was so York could have the 4 fast services, so interesting they've moved it to the Scarborough
Although of course Scarborough is a very limited service west of York at the moment so any link is better than now
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Post by deerfold on Jun 13, 2022 16:35:13 GMT 1
Doubling the current fast/semifast service on the core sounds ambitious. What's the odds the 6tph will be badly bunched? What is being doubled? There will be 5tph running on the proper TransPennine Express services between Manchester and Leeds, plus the hourly stopper service that ought to be run by Northern. That's exactly the same over the core as was running in 2019. Hopefully the class 802s that aren't needed to run to Newcastle will be deployed in a way that allows them to use the electrified lines between Liverpool and Manchester. I missed one was the Cleethorpes service. It's still an increase of 67% in one step from a service they're barely managing to run now. Did they ever manage to run those 5tph reliably? After it went from 4tph to 5 tph reliability dropped significantly. My sister had commuted on the 4tph service for years, but gave up after 6 months of the 5tph as she was late to work so often. It's still likely they're not going to be well spread out.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 25, 2022 22:52:33 GMT 1
Service pattern December 2022 (in Yorkshire)
Huddersfield – Leeds (stopper), note evenings and Sundays run through from Manchester Piccadilly (all stations Stalybridge–Leeds)
Liverpool – Cleethorpes via CLC & Sheffield
Liverpool – Stalybridge – Hull Liverpool – Newcastle (FAST) Manchester Airport – Dewsbury – Saltburn Manchester Picc – Huddersfield (stopper), doesn't run evenings and Sundays (Stations Stalybridge–Huddersfield are also served by other trains at peak times, evenings, and Sundays).
Manchester Picc – Stalybridge – Dewsbury – Newcastle (semi-fast) EVERY TWO HOURS
Manchester Picc – Stalybridge – Dewsbury – Scarborough (semi-fast) EVERY TWO HOURS
York – Scarborough (hourly service), generally 21-minute connections at Seamer to/from Filey
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 5, 2023 21:11:32 GMT 1
Timetable expected to be unchanged from May 2023. Some peak hour calls eastbound at Dewsbury are restored.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 8:11:38 GMT 1
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 31, 2023 7:38:23 GMT 1
TransPennine Express has confirmed that it will cease using its push-pull sets of Class 68 locomotives and MkVa coaches, previously designated Nova 3 sets, from the December 2023 timetable change.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 31, 2023 7:45:04 GMT 1
DECEMBER 2023
Proposed timetable frequency off-peak (daily):
1 train/h Liverpool to Newcastle; 1 train/h Manchester Airport to Saltburn via the Ordsall Chord; 1 train/h Manchester Piccadilly to Hull; 1 train/h Scarborough to York.
These will be supplemented by the stopping service between Manchester Piccadilly and Huddersfield, although the current stopping service between Huddersfield and Leeds is expected to be covered by most Manchester to Hull Trains, adding to their overall journey times.
● Peak time service may differ from the above. TPE are also planning to introduce a new Manchester to York service via Wakefield Kirkgate & Castleford, which will avoid Leeds altogether.
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 31, 2023 10:33:30 GMT 1
DECEMBER 2023 Proposed timetable frequency: 1 train/h Liverpool to Newcastle; 1 train/h Manchester Airport to Saltburn via the Ordsall Chord; 1 train/h Manchester Piccadilly to Hull; 1 train/h Scarborough to York. These will be supplemented by the stopping service between Manchester Piccadilly and Huddersfield, although the current stopping service between Huddersfield and Leeds is expected to be covered by Manchester to Hull Trains, adding to their overall journey times. ● TPE is also planning to introduce a new Manchester to York service via Wakefield Kirkgate, which will avoid Leeds altogether. If that's the full list, it's an appalling degradation of service. No through trains at all from Scarborough, the current infrequent through service is bad enough. From 4tph fast between Leeds and Manchester, it will now be 2tph. It's becoming a nightmare to try to get to Manchester Airport, with half the TPX trains going to Victoria instead of Piccadilly meaning no easy onward connection.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 31, 2023 11:36:14 GMT 1
I’m hoping it’s only whilst they get their house in order in terms of cancellations
As like you say 2ph would take TPE back to the 1980s
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Post by delenn on Aug 31, 2023 12:32:45 GMT 1
DECEMBER 2023 Proposed timetable frequency: 1 train/h Scarborough to York. If that's the full list, it's an appalling degradation of service. No through trains at all from Scarborough, the current infrequent through service is bad enough. I'm around Scarborough a lot, and all the people I know there will take "no through trains" if the shuttle turns up reliably. It is the reliability that is the worst thing, not having to change trains.
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Post by gogglyboi on Aug 31, 2023 16:09:47 GMT 1
The full list of changes as well as proposed allocations can be found here
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Post by chas on Aug 31, 2023 19:55:46 GMT 1
The full list of changes as well as proposed allocations can be found here I think having three new types at the same time was too much of a strain on the training resources, even before the pandemic. There were soon plenty of 802 & 397 services for live training, but the Nova 3s and 68s were always the poor relations and never managed more than four diagrams.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 2, 2023 11:18:47 GMT 1
TransPennine Express has confirmed that it will cease using its push-pull sets of Class 68 locomotives and MkVa coaches, previously designated Nova 3 sets, from the December 2023 timetable change. These will be the youngest trains for many years to be withdrawn. Younger even than Greater Anglia 379s.
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Post by driver6540 on Nov 22, 2023 23:53:12 GMT 1
I'm led to believe the Nova 3/class 68 trainset's are now only used on the Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly service (albeit sporadically) prior to withdrawal very shortly. If indeed that is the case, could i ask what the replacement trains will be on that service. Will it be the 802's or "doubled up" 185's ?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 26, 2023 14:25:47 GMT 1
I'm led to believe the Nova 3/class 68 trainset's are now only used on the Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly service (albeit sporadically) prior to withdrawal very shortly. If indeed that is the case, could i ask what the replacement trains will be on that service. Will it be the 802's or "doubled up" 185's ? I think more likely 185s, if necessary doubled up, as plans to withdraw 22 of them have been shelved.
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Post by stevieinselby on Nov 26, 2023 19:08:34 GMT 1
I'm led to believe the Nova 3/class 68 trainset's are now only used on the Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly service (albeit sporadically) prior to withdrawal very shortly. If indeed that is the case, could i ask what the replacement trains will be on that service. Will it be the 802's or "doubled up" 185's ? I think more likely 185s, if necessary doubled up, as plans to withdraw 22 of them have been shelved. TransPennine have 19 class 802s, and the current timetable only requires 12 in service. That should give some scope for allowing them to be used on the Scarborough route, meaning that the 185s can run doubled up on the Teesside, Hull and Humberside routes. Although thinking about it, it might make more sense to prioritise Teesside or Hull for the 802s, because they could make some use of electric power – either from Northallerton to York then Manchester to Airport, or Manchester to Liverpool – although unlikely that there would be enough 802s to run all trains on either of those routes, whereas the more limited through services from Scarborough means fewer trains are needed there.
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Post by driver6540 on Nov 27, 2023 20:28:59 GMT 1
Thankyou to the above pair who've kindly responded. Much appreciated.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Feb 20, 2024 2:10:27 GMT 1
JUNE 2024 TIMETABLE CHANGES
Good progress has been made with crew training, which will allow the operator to begin to restore services from 2 June 2024 ^.
Confident that the company can begin to ‘build back’, Managing Director Chris Jackson told stakeholders at two meetings in January this year that the Manchester to York via Wakefield Kirkgate service will be increased to six trains per day, and additional York – Scarborough services will run at weekends from June to September.
(^ June is the mid-year timing for national timetable changes this year, replacing the traditional May slot.)
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Post by jst on Feb 20, 2024 15:34:51 GMT 1
(^ June is the new mid-year timing for national timetable changes, replacing the traditional May slot.) Potentially, and probably, only for one year though! Maybe back to May in '25!
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