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Post by guyarab on Mar 7, 2014 11:27:17 GMT 1
Just heard that from May Manchester Airport trains will no longer stop at Dewsbury. Does anyone have any details?
I have also read that TPE will lose its Class 185 trains in April as Porterbrook, the train owner, are sending them to Oxfordshire for Chiltern Lline additions. TPE have no right the leased trains from 1st April.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Mar 7, 2014 12:11:08 GMT 1
Just heard that from May Manchester Airport trains will no longer stop at Dewsbury. Does anyone have any details? I have also read that TPE will lose its Class 185 trains in April as Porterbrook, the train owner, are sending them to Oxfordshire for Chiltern Lline additions. TPE have no right the leased trains from 1st April. Its the 170s that are moving on.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 7, 2014 13:01:09 GMT 1
there is a completely new timetable in May. There's an extra train Liverpool-Manchester Vic-Huddersfield-Leeds. See below for details.
the Calder Valley timetable is also re-cast.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 7, 2014 16:14:08 GMT 1
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Post by Craig on Mar 7, 2014 17:33:38 GMT 1
From what I can tell, the following changes happen to the basic daytime pattern:
The extra 5th train is a "fast" from Liverpool calling at Manchester Victoria (not Piccadilly) and Huddersfield. At Leeds this joins up with the existing hourly Newcastle service. As a result, the Manchester Airport trains now run either to Middlesbrough (as now) or York only.
All times are subject to change and as stated above Dewsbury still gets two TPE trains an hour each direction, but it's no longer the Airport trains that call. The local Northern services through Dewsbury are also re-timed.
The Newcastle train is timed to generally operate on the opposite half-hour to the Crosscountry service, however the TPE Newcastle and Middlesbrough trains now follow each other quite closely meaning Northallerton gets two trains each way within about 5 mins of each other.
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Post by driver6540 on Mar 7, 2014 21:13:16 GMT 1
Just heard that from May Manchester Airport trains will no longer stop at Dewsbury. Does anyone have any details? I have also read that TPE will lose its Class 185 trains in April as Porterbrook, the train owner, are sending them to Oxfordshire for Chiltern Lline additions. TPE have no right the leased trains from 1st April. Its the 170s that are moving on. Starting now, TPE are taking delivery of ten class 350/4 electric sets for exclusive use on the Manchester Airport-Edinburgh or Glasgow Central services, this will enable the cascade of the existing 185's used on this service to provide extra capacity on our through routes in west/south Yorkshire. The 185's will replace the 170 Turbostar's at TPE. Although one 185 will remain as a back up for cross-border services. I was unaware all the 170's were going, as im sure i've read somewhere at least two or three sets would be retained.
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Post by guyarab on Mar 7, 2014 22:16:34 GMT 1
Thanks for all the information.
I do hope TPE are going to improve Sunday services, as the current timetable needs doubling judging by the packed three coach trains running now on that day.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Mar 8, 2014 0:27:38 GMT 1
Thanks for all the information. I do hope TPE are going to improve Sunday services, as the current timetable needs doubling judging by the packed three coach trains running now on that day. I've used TPE a fair bit on evenings and Sundays. 3 trains an hour would be more suited for Sunday daytime, I've stood on a few Liverpool lime street services on Sundays. Also more evening journeys from Manchester Piccadilly every 30 mins. Current timetable Is 21:42 it's then 22:42 and 23:42 and then the night service. A 22:12 or 23:12 Manchester to York would sound appealing.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 8, 2014 10:10:45 GMT 1
You'll appreciate the new 2217 and 2319 piccadilly to York services then?
There are already 3 TPE trains an hour on a Sunday (Manchester - Leeds) - though rather oddly spaced. This will be going up to 4 in May - with the 4th going to Victoria.
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Post by kuyoyo on Mar 8, 2014 21:06:19 GMT 1
Its the 170s that are moving on. Starting now, TPE are taking delivery of ten class 350/4 electric sets for exclusive use on the Manchester Airport-Edinburgh or Glasgow Central services, this will enable the cascade of the existing 185's used on this service to provide extra capacity on our through routes in west/south Yorkshire. The 185's will replace the 170 Turbostar's at TPE. Although one 185 will remain as a back up for cross-border services. I was unaware all the 170's were going, as im sure i've read somewhere at least two or three sets would be retained. Under the May 2014 timetable, all 9 170s are still required on South Transpennie Routes and the Hull services. The plan is to run them doubled up. Now, from the impression, the lease for the 170 will pass to Chiltern from the end of the original franchise however Chiltern will then hire them back to TPE as Chiltern have no need for them until the opening of the Bletchley-Oxford cord in 2016.
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Post by driver6540 on Mar 8, 2014 21:50:39 GMT 1
Thats good info, Kuyoyo. It sounds like the TPE 170 situation is going to be like the time when the 185's were either hired to/from First to Arriva or vice versa probably round 2003/4?.
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Post by resolution on Mar 11, 2014 13:24:08 GMT 1
The nine class 170 units go off-lease from TransPennine Express in May 2015 (i.e. in another year's time). Chiltern do not need them until 2016 as stated by Kuyoyo but they are to be refurbished in the meantime, so Chiltern can lease back to TPE any 170s that aren't in works being refurbished. Speculation is that TPE will have to make up any shortfall with 158s borrowed from Northern, who should by then have received a few electric units as the Lancashire 'fill-in' electrification proceeds. Rumour has it that TPE are not impressed but that the DfT thinks in 'carriages' and that since it's getting 40 new ones (electric), nicking 18 old ones (170s) will still leave them with a net gain of 22.
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Post by ianigsy on Mar 16, 2014 22:38:58 GMT 1
The Lancashire electrification also offers the potential for Manchester-Blackpool to go all electric (possibly also under one operator rather than the current odd Northern/TPE split), which would free up more 185s, as would giving Northern back the Windermere branch.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 20, 2014 18:18:22 GMT 1
Popped down to Manchester on train yesterday and noticed 2 class 350s in Ardwick depot in transpennine livery. It looks a tad bit different and more pink ( barbie) on those vinyls like 185 108 in Liverpool 08 livery. Anybody knows of any pics showing these because I can't find any on google search or Flickr yet.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 20, 2014 20:03:48 GMT 1
Popped down to Manchester on train yesterday and noticed 2 class 350s in Ardwick depot in transpennine livery. It looks a tad bit different and more pink ( barbie) on those vinyls like 185 108 in Liverpool 08 livery. Anybody knows of any pics showing these because I can't find any on google search or Flickr yet. I have tried it. If you go to Flickr and enter "Transpennine 350" a few will appear then.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 20, 2014 22:15:58 GMT 1
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 29, 2014 11:42:17 GMT 1
The new printed timetables are now available by following the timetable link.
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Post by guyarab on Apr 29, 2014 21:13:56 GMT 1
Been looking and it's even worse for Dewsbury travellers; for years now the Airport trains have stopped at the station every half hour, but from the new timetable there is none during the day; a few stop early and late in the day. Currently there is an hourly service to both Middlesbrough and Newcastle; from next month there will be none! However, the change gives regularly services to Liverpool and Hull/Scarborough, Most people were unaware of the change until being informed and all found it, well let's say more than disappointed for a busy station.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 29, 2014 22:24:55 GMT 1
It seems Dewsbury has gained the Liverpool Lime Street (via Birchwood) - Scarborough and the Manchester Piccadilly - Hull Trains and Lost the Newcastle and Middlesbrough trains. Times seem every half hour. Hoping Dewsbury Passengers don't feel the pinch on Airport services, Ive seen commuters, change at Manchester Piccadilly and even Huddersfield for the Airport trains, when boarding Liverpool Lime Street bound trains.
Other services The Man Airport - Newcastle train is now a Man Airport - York. The new 5th service from Liverpool via Man Victoria covers the York - Newcastle Stops. The only service that looks similar on times is the Middlesborough train. (Excluding stops at Dewsbury)
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Post by guyarab on May 5, 2014 23:30:23 GMT 1
Caught the 21:40 Airport train in Leeds this evening. At the bottom of the electronic display it says: "From the 18th May this train does not stop at Dewsbury". Trouble is, the printed timetable quite clearly states that it does! I reckon the electronic version is referring to most of the daytime timetable, when (most unfortunately) they do not stop at Dewsbury from that date. It could prove confusing for intending passengers.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 19, 2014 19:30:04 GMT 1
Has anyone tried the new journeys yet. My observation from sitting on the bus today. I saw 3 class 170s units together on a journey out of Leeds eastwards towards Neville hill, First tine I've seen this combination ( usually it's 2 maximum) I supposed this is part of the carriage strengthening TPE are introducing
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Post by guyarab on May 19, 2014 23:08:38 GMT 1
They may have a three car arrangement, but the one I saw today heading eastwards was some eight minutes late pulling out of Dewsbury, with the following Northern train cancelled as they couldn't find somebody to staff it and then the Scsrborough train running seven minutes late.
Poor start in my opinion and all you get is 'First TransPennine apologise for the delay...". Apologies cannot get the traveller to his/her destination.
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Post by deerfold on May 19, 2014 23:51:03 GMT 1
The service today has been dreadful - not sure what the problems were but my sister's caught 3 today and they've all been the late - the worst being more than half an hour late.
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Post by A1YBG on May 20, 2014 8:11:18 GMT 1
Hope they get it sorted by July. Got connections from leeds to Manchester then connect for Carlisle
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Post by rwilkes on May 20, 2014 11:57:57 GMT 1
Rail and bus in W Yorks affected by all sorts of delays outside operators control. 36 completely messed up by a car crash yesterday. Witchway badly affected by a burst water main today. all kinds of Network rail problems
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