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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 8, 2013 21:38:41 GMT 1
I'll give you a clue, evening
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 11, 2013 9:24:29 GMT 1
Actually I'd better give the game away here because it's getting a bit serious and needs sorting out before some poor driver late at night ends up in an argument with a drunken passenger wanting to get off at Richmond Hill. Basically, 62 evening journeys according to both the summary leaflet Metro produced, and now the timetable, will terminate at Copperfield Avenue (Cross Green Lane) and will start from East Park Road instead of running the normal route through Richmond Hill, the Industrial Estate won't be served after the evening peak. Is this the case?
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 11, 2013 12:31:12 GMT 1
Actually I'd better give the game away here because it's getting a bit serious and needs sorting out before some poor driver late at night ends up in an argument with a drunken passenger wanting to get off at Richmond Hill. Basically, 62 evening journeys according to both the summary leaflet Metro produced, and now the timetable, will terminate at Copperfield Avenue (Cross Green Lane) and will start from East Park Road instead of running the normal route through Richmond Hill, the Industrial Estate won't be served after the evening peak. Is this the case? And as dwarfer1979 has said, it is an error at Metro's end More timetables listed on the Metro website along with 2 local guides to changes, one for Horsforth/Pudsey regarding the 8/9 routes and one for Cross Green regarding all services including the 61/86A. Now it's late at night but I'm sure their's a big error I've spotted so the challenge for you is to spot the error in the Cross Green guide, those who work for Centrebus, can you shed light on the error, i.e is it an error or intentional. Being on holiday at the moment and so not having full access to everything to check what do you think the error is? The only one I have noticed is Copperfield Ave/Cres which is an error at Metros end as it isn't on the registration.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 11, 2013 12:47:53 GMT 1
Right thanks for that however the Copperfield Avenue/Crescent timetable point bit wasn't the error, it's the fact evening 62s shouldn't serve Cross Green Lane at those 2 points at all, I'm off down to Wellington House now to dish out an arse kicking, crap proof reading is the sort of thing what leads to arguments and confusion between passengers and drivers, the difference between how the timetable reads and how the evening 62 route should be is about a mile, that's how wrong this mistake is!
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 11, 2013 20:04:10 GMT 1
Maybe Centrebus have altered some of their journeys?
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Post by Craig on Jul 11, 2013 20:21:33 GMT 1
It looks to me like the Metro published timetable is correct so it's only the "summary of changes" leaflet that is wrong (not to mention entirely confusing).
So the Mon-Sat evening service is the same as the off-peak daytime service. Circular route, to East Park Road via Easy Road then back via Accommodation Road etc, no service to the Industrial Estate. However Sundays all day (including evenings) WILL still go to the Industrial Estate and therefore via Accommodation Road both directions. Perhaps the labelling of the East Park Road timing point as being in Cross Green doesn't help when surely it is in East End Park.
However I'm a bus geek who can follow variations of routes etc. The question could be whether Joe Public get these subtle variations in service 62, but then many other services do similar things too.
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Post by SF07 on Jul 13, 2013 20:17:32 GMT 1
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 19, 2013 17:48:37 GMT 1
It looks to me like the Metro published timetable is correct so it's only the "summary of changes" leaflet that is wrong (not to mention entirely confusing). So the Mon-Sat evening service is the same as the off-peak daytime service. Circular route, to East Park Road via Easy Road then back via Accommodation Road etc, no service to the Industrial Estate. However Sundays all day (including evenings) WILL still go to the Industrial Estate and therefore via Accommodation Road both directions. Perhaps the labelling of the East Park Road timing point as being in Cross Green doesn't help when surely it is in East End Park. However I'm a bus geek who can follow variations of routes etc. The question could be whether Joe Public get these subtle variations in service 62, but then many other services do similar things too. I'd best clarify what serving Copperfield Crescent/Avenue will mean, in effect the evening 62 wouldn't turn onto Easy Road but would carry on along Cross Green Lane (via the 62C/63 route) and would terminate roughly where the old Cross Green School was. This would mean the 62 will have 3 different routes!
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Post by Craig on Jul 19, 2013 19:26:33 GMT 1
This 62 thing seems intriguing so I've looked into a little further. How the driver and passengers are going to find each other I have no idea. I apologise now to anyone who doesn't know the area as the road names are going to get a little confusing!
1. Metro's timetable I'll start with this as it's probably the most commonly used source. Firstly the route record shows 62/62A via Richmond Hill (Upper Accommodation Road etc) in both directions. This appears to be incorrect, the route record should show journeys running to East Park Road terminus along Easy Road. In the timetable, the journeys which run via Richmond Hill on the way to the Industrial Estate are specially marked as running along these roads and NOT via Easy Road. But the route record shows, wrongly, that all journeys do that anyway. Otherwise the timetable itself seems, as far as I can tell, correct.
2. Metro's summary timetable for the area Metro, with good intentions, decided to give the residents of Cross Green et al a special leaflet to explain all the changes in the area. Quite why I'm not sure as the changes aren't exactly game changing, but still it's a nice gesture. Unfortunately they messed up quite a lot. In order to try and fit all the different services (even the 61 and 86A) and their different timing points the timetable becomes a hard to read mess. One timing point/stop, at the old Copperfields College, goes by two different names. But, as pointed out here, the biggest problem is the 62 evening journeys are shown as terminating there. But in the opposite direction they still start from Easy Road. I suspect, but could be wrong here, that the 62 at no time of day goes along Cross Green Lane (why would it, the 11A is there for the evening service). Instead I think it is an error, with the Easy Road timing point shown wrongly as Copperfield.
3. Traveline journey planner This is normally reliable as all the stops along the route should be taken directly from the operator's registration (I think?) whereas Metro take the information and re-write it which can lead to the mistakes above. Unfortunately Traveline seem to think that all 62/62A buses go via Richmond Hill in both directions, never via Cross Green Lane, and never via Easy Road. This seems unlikely as the 62 would have no obvious place to turn.
4. Bizarre Metro tendering What makes matters worse is that on Sunday evenings Metro are still funding the existing extension to the Industrial Estate. So the evening service on a Sunday operates in a different direction along the route as to the Mon-Sat evening service. You can happily get to or from the Ind Estate at 10pm on a Sunday, but no chance any other day!
5. My conclusion I think I know what will happen but given the unreliable information I can't be certain. But here goes. At no time will the 62 go along Cross Green Lane (Copperfields College). Mon-Sat daytime (10am-3pm), Mon-Sat evening (after 6pm) it will go from Leeds to East Street, Easy Road to East Park Road then back to town via Richmond Hill. Mon-Sat "peaks" (before 10am, 3pm-6pm), Sunday all day, it will keep its current route, both ways via Richmond Hill then on to the Ind Estate. To fill in the gap between 10am and 3pm the 62C will run to the Ind Estate. And this will go past the old Copperfields College.
To those who made it to the end of that without falling asleep... bit of a mess don't you think?
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 19, 2013 23:05:51 GMT 1
I've just re-checked the 62 timetable and it appears they've listened to my e-mail rant and have corrected the actual timetable but not the route description ( as noted above) and leaflet guide! Pity they didn't bother to announce this as a updated timetable due to errors! So it now appears the evening 62s will follow the off peak route, however Metro have failed to inform the late night finishers (the shift workers who do 2-10) and the security guards/night shift staff working on the Industrial Estate when summarising the changes. From a safety point of view it's a stupid move as such employees who don't drive will now have to fork out for a taxi, walking up to Cross Green Lane for the nearest bus isn't a safe thing to do late at night, scrap metal theves for example love taking the metal contents of the lamp posts round there.
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 24, 2013 18:16:56 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 24, 2013 20:25:39 GMT 1
I suppose it depends on what buses run the new X6 at peak times.
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 31, 2013 21:00:10 GMT 1
I suppose it depends on what buses run the new X6 at peak times. Solo 1254 is being used for the X6.
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