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Post by Burnside on Apr 23, 2013 23:26:19 GMT 1
Changing tack, from July 20th TLC are rerouting the 727 to serve Keighley Police Station. This will involve the bus going left onto Royd Way after coming out of Lawkholme Lane and going all the way round the roundabout, then heading down Royd Ings Ave and onto Bradford Rd. In the reverse direction it will be left off Royd Way onto Hard Ings Lane and right onto Lawkholme Lane. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10371677.Police_station_will_be_on_bus_route/
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Apr 24, 2013 8:04:28 GMT 1
Got a hunch that the 8 will curtail at Horsforth as time wise it follows the 9 more or less between Horsforth and Pudsey, either that or it'll be re-timed to form a half hourly service combined with the 9. Now this next thought may seem a wilder hunch but it is possible, I'm wondering if 1 journey on the 8 from either direction (most probably from the Seacroft direction as this would incur the shortest mileage) stops at Moortown roundabout then follows the current 781 to/from Otley then returns back to Moortown 2 hours later as the last set of WYITA papers did say they were considering keeping the 781 on Saturdays and/or market days and it appears to be well used from Moortown to Otley. Now I know this would leave a gap in the hourly number 8 service but maybe they're reducing it's frequency at times? The section between Horsforth & Pudsey was a commercial extension so was not part of the 8 tender. The 781 will remain following the current route though there may be a change in days of operation (I'm not sure what option will be selected by Metro for when they will run it).
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 24, 2013 18:22:19 GMT 1
The section of the 8 between Horsforth and Pudsey is commercial extension? I might ask them for some money as they seem to like throwing it away!
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 24, 2013 19:16:07 GMT 1
I'm wondering something even more bonkers on paper now folks, but to be fair on me nobody would have ever thought the 31/32 would be going to a company with the name 'Ladies Only Travel' so bonkers things can happen. Anyway we all know the 8 has been proposed to extend to Thorpe Park at peak times, off peak, I'm wondering if they're extending journeys along the route of the proposed new 60 from Cross Gates to Temple Gate but keeping the number as 8 instead of 60?
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 24, 2013 19:41:37 GMT 1
Hold onto your chairs folks, here's another 'crazy one what kind of makes sense and who knows it may happen' idea, maybe they'll divert the 8 via Shadwell and Wetherby Road rather than the Shadwell Ring Road what is a pretty rural section of route with only a few stops and so I'm guessing few users. You've also got the section of Ring Road between Lawnswood and Moor Allerton, hardly any houses, few other buildings and so few users, perhaps their's a diversion via Weetwood/Far Headingley to get possible custom and provide a link between Moor Allerton/Moortown and that part of Headingley? Currently such a link doesn't exist but both areas are quite close to each other, say no more than 3 miles apart.
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Post by Craig on Apr 24, 2013 20:38:05 GMT 1
I'm wondering something even more bonkers on paper now folks, but to be fair on me nobody would have ever thought the 31/32 would be going to a company with the name 'Ladies Only Travel' so bonkers things can happen. Anyway we all know the 8 has been proposed to extend to Thorpe Park at peak times, off peak, I'm wondering if they're extending journeys along the route of the proposed new 60 from Cross Gates to Temple Gate but keeping the number as 8 instead of 60? Currently the 8 interworks with the 63 at Seacroft and so I think the proposed 60 service was basically designed as an alternative way of working on/off the 8 during off-peak because the 63 will be withdrawn. (At peak times the 8 extending to Thorpe Park). So really what you have suggested is what was proposed anyway, but the question is whether this will now happen or not.
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Post by northerner on Apr 24, 2013 20:53:49 GMT 1
Changing tack, from July 20th TLC are rerouting the 727 to serve Keighley Police Station. This will involve the bus going left onto Royd Way after coming out of Lawkholme Lane and going all the way round the roundabout, then heading down Royd Ings Ave and onto Bradford Rd. In the reverse direction it will be left off Royd Way onto Hard Ings Lane and right onto Lawkholme Lane. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10371677.Police_station_will_be_on_bus_route/Good move Metro / TLC, although I'm not sure if a 2 hourly service will make much difference and doubt it will cater for the workplaces which are located on Royd Ings Ave. And I'm not sure who timed the walk from the town centre to the police station, but you'd have to be extremely fit to walk it in 10 mins!
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Post by ratty on Apr 24, 2013 21:05:11 GMT 1
Just out of interest, for an exile. Where is the Police Station at Keighley nowadays? When I first read the thread, I could not believe that anybody would run a service just across the road from the Bus Station!!!!!
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 24, 2013 21:18:50 GMT 1
Hold onto your chairs folks, here's another 'crazy one what kind of makes sense and who knows it may happen' idea, maybe they'll divert the 8 via Shadwell and Wetherby Road rather than the Shadwell Ring Road what is a pretty rural section of route with only a few stops and so I'm guessing few users. You've also got the section of Ring Road between Lawnswood and Moor Allerton, hardly any houses, few other buildings and so few users, perhaps their's a diversion via Weetwood/Far Headingley to get possible custom and provide a link between Moor Allerton/Moortown and that part of Headingley? Currently such a link doesn't exist but both areas are quite close to each other, say no more than 3 miles apart. You really dont see the peak time loadings of the 8 do you? Horsforth bound on a morning, it stops at all stops between Ring Road Seacroft & West Park, barring 1 at the Council Greenhouses and the other before Adel. I imagine Seacroft bound, I imagine it is very similar (although I do know it stops at the Council Greenhouses from the few times I've been late) Also, I'd love for the 8 attempt to pull onto the A58 at Shadwell. Nigh on impossible at 5pm for me, let alone a bus.
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Post by Burnside on Apr 24, 2013 21:24:48 GMT 1
Just out of interest, for an exile. Where is the Police Station at Keighley nowadays? When I first read the thread, I could not believe that anybody would run a service just across the road from the Bus Station!!!!! Keighley Cop Shop is on Royd Ings Avenue, on the left, just before you get to the dump.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on May 7, 2013 17:03:12 GMT 1
I've heard something barking to do with the 8 and I'm not sure what to think, (NOTE THIS HAS BEEN HEARD AS A RUMOR AND IS NOT FACT) I've heard Centrebus are taking on most of the 8 journeys on a commercial basis from Metro, that bit may be possible as they've done it with some other routes and if they've lost a lot of tenders to First then they may need something for some of the bus drivers to do (i,e those who do school routes), the barking bit is the Horsforth-Pudsey section is RUMORED to be withdrawn and instead they'll be an extention to the Airport as the Airport wish to further expand public transport routes! Ok come on what's really happening to the 8?
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Post by guyarab on May 7, 2013 19:42:02 GMT 1
, ...just before you get to the dump. You shouldn't speak of the Cougars in such a manner!
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Post by ratty on May 7, 2013 21:35:47 GMT 1
Why is it quoting me? It were Tim wot said it Guv. But I have to say, being a former regular follower of Halifax RLFC, I didn't know that Cougar Park/Lawkholme Lane was now called the Dump!!!! Lol
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Post by dwarfer1979 on May 8, 2013 8:24:04 GMT 1
I've heard something barking to do with the 8 and I'm not sure what to think, (NOTE THIS HAS BEEN HEARD AS A RUMOR AND IS NOT FACT) I've heard Centrebus are taking on most of the 8 journeys on a commercial basis from Metro, that bit may be possible as they've done it with some other routes and if they've lost a lot of tenders to First then they may need something for some of the bus drivers to do (i,e those who do school routes), the barking bit is the Horsforth-Pudsey section is RUMORED to be withdrawn and instead they'll be an extention to the Airport as the Airport wish to further expand public transport routes! Ok come on what's really happening to the 8? The 8 is tendered and as far as I know (which basically means Centrebus), no one will be taking it commercial. I don't know the results of the tenders yet, probably no one outside Metro knows the full result, but I assume all the operators have been told the likely the preferred awards assuming everyone takes up everything they have been awarded, this may not be the case as last time round this process took about a month to finalise who would be running what as timetables were modified and bits of work swapped around to get the best result for all parties. Now that everyone has an idea what they have won there will be a stage of people working out how that will affect the commercial network and planning any changes for the July change date which would need to be registered before the end of the month. So all should become clearer by the last week in May but not really before that.
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Post by Matty on May 8, 2013 19:51:11 GMT 1
I've heard that some have been lost in Halifax and some night services have been gained from First. 507 & 535 was mentioned. Don't know if it is true or not, we'll have to wait & see.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on May 9, 2013 8:19:59 GMT 1
I've heard that some have been lost in Halifax and some night services have been gained from First. 507 & 535 was mentioned. Don't know if it is true or not, we'll have to wait & see. There are no planned major changes to Halifax for Centrebus due in the next couple of months that I am aware of (and since I have to get any registrations off for July by the end of next week I should know by now), there is a possible retime of one journey on one route but other than that no changes are on the cards at the moment in Calderdale.
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Post by SCH117X on May 9, 2013 20:19:07 GMT 1
Meanwhile in York: PB0001747/15 - FIRST YORK LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PLVariation Accepted: Operating between York University and Acomb The Green given service number 4 effective from 07-Jul-2013. To amend Route and Timetable. PB0001747/16 - FIRST YORK LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PLVariation Accepted: Operating between Strensall, Brecks Lane and Acomb Green Lane given service number 5 effective from 07-Jul-2013. To amend Timetable.
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Post by Danny on May 9, 2013 21:22:28 GMT 1
I've heard that some have been lost in Halifax and some night services have been gained from First. 507 & 535 was mentioned. Don't know if it is true or not, we'll have to wait & see. This is not true.
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Post by Matty on May 11, 2013 13:14:22 GMT 1
there is a possible retime of one journey on one route but other than that no changes are on the cards at the moment in Calderdale. Is that the 34 by any chance?
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Post by dwarfer1979 on May 13, 2013 8:17:08 GMT 1
there is a possible retime of one journey on one route but other than that no changes are on the cards at the moment in Calderdale. Is that the 34 by any chance? No
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Post by 77syk7 on May 13, 2013 10:31:18 GMT 1
Very surprised that Centrebus have retained the timetables of the 28A / 34 / 36 ex - HJC routes for so long. Surely, they could save a bus by linking up these services. The journeys that do make me smile, are the ones that still terminate at the Albert Rd depot!
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Post by dwarfer1979 on May 14, 2013 8:38:51 GMT 1
Very surprised that Centrebus have retained the timetables of the 28A / 34 / 36 ex - HJC routes for so long. Surely, they could save a bus by linking up these services. The journeys that do make me smile, are the ones that still terminate at the Albert Rd depot! Because I have enough work on my plate working on the things that need changing without changing services that are working well. I'm not sure that there is that much scope without cutting bits (and why cut if you don't have to) to make as much saving as you think on those routes, certainly the 34 & 36 schedule as quite intensive workings with little spare time in the workings (the 28A has a bit but nothing obvious to use to make savings).
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Post by 77syk7 on May 14, 2013 11:42:25 GMT 1
OK - I understood your reasons, but worth commenting on.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 14, 2013 18:25:45 GMT 1
Very surprised that Centrebus have retained the timetables of the 28A / 34 / 36 ex - HJC routes for so long. Surely, they could save a bus by linking up these services. The journeys that do make me smile, are the ones that still terminate at the Albert Rd depot! Because I have enough work on my plate working on the things that need changing without changing services that are working well. I'm not sure that there is that much scope without cutting bits (and why cut if you don't have to) to make as much saving as you think on those routes, certainly the 34 & 36 schedule as quite intensive workings with little spare time in the workings (the 28A has a bit but nothing obvious to use to make savings). When I worked at Elland I did look at trying to link all 3 into 1 service (and dropping the Albert Road section) but to make it work it would still need the current 7 buses. The planned route was Claremount - Market Street - (opposite way to present round) Highroad Well - Rye Lane - Pellon Lane - Market Street - Claremount as 28C, opposite way as 28A - but with alternate journeys each way terminating in Town Centre, so Rye Lane got a 7.5 minute service, and rest got a 15 minute service each way round. The one thing I do find strange is the 1 28A journey every hour that is quicker than the other 2.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 14, 2013 18:39:49 GMT 1
I think the timetables for the ex-HJC services are fine, the only issues are the strange timings where journeys sometimes run at a different time compared to normal, for no particular reason, and the journeys that still start and end at the HJC depot.
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