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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 14, 2013 21:39:36 GMT 1
Probably a case of wait and see, drivers will just be guessing based on canteen banter.
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 14, 2013 23:07:30 GMT 1
All just rumours as yet. But in these economic times, you can bet the cheapest chassis/body combo will be the bulk of the order.
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Post by andy1 on Feb 14, 2013 23:31:21 GMT 1
Information freely available quotes ADL 222 Vehicles of which 142 are going to be Enviro 300s ,WRIGHTS 179 vehicles a substantial amount being Streetlite variants, 37 Volvo integral hybrids, 8 to be decided and 18 Versas from OPTARE. Suprisingly there are only 42 Double Deckers in this order the rest being single decks ,midibuses.
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Post by rst1987 on Feb 15, 2013 15:58:00 GMT 1
Information freely available quotes ADL 222 Vehicles of which 142 are going to be Enviro 300s ,WRIGHTS 179 vehicles a substantial amount being Streetlite variants, 37 Volvo integral hybrids, 8 to be decided and 18 Versas from OPTARE. Suprisingly there are only 42 Double Deckers in this order the rest being single decks ,midibuses. Bulk of the order is this: FirstGroup orders 2013/14 ADL 142 Enviro300 42 Enviro400 double-deck 36 Enviro200 2 Plaxton Panther coaches Wrightbus 179 StreetLte Volvo 35 B7RLE/Wrightbus 2 7900 Hybrids Optare 18 Versa To be confirmed 8 vehicles Source: www.busandcoach.com/newspage.aspx?id=7477&categoryid=0
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 16, 2013 13:51:22 GMT 1
While Arriva deliveries (and Stagecoach for route X28) favour an early visit to the area, First deliveries could favour a late visit. I plan to come around May-July to make the best of the daylight hours. Here's hoping some more new buses are with First in West Yorks by then!
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Post by jake31804 on Feb 21, 2013 16:21:29 GMT 1
I've heard that about 50 buses will come to Bramley to replace older stuff, so maybe E400s for 19/19A, 49/50/50A and 56 and some Streetlite Maxs for the 5. Would make Leeds more interesting instead of having hundreds of B9 Geminis (and Gemini2s). I do look forward to the results. I agree with the E300s for Hudds to oust out the Darts. Would be a good replacement I think.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 13:34:45 GMT 1
I've heard that about 50 buses will come to Bramley to replace older stuff, so maybe E400s for 19/19A, 49/50/50A and 56 and some Streetlite Maxs for the 5. Would make Leeds more interesting instead of having hundreds of B9 Geminis (and Gemini2s). I do look forward to the results. I agree with the E300s for Hudds to oust out the Darts. Would be a good replacement I think. Ive also heard between 50-100 new buses for bramley,Does 19/19A need double deckers,when i see it in leeds centre it looks to cope well enough with Singles & has done for many a year (back when it was 18/18A).If new buses arrive i can see 49/50/50A/56 getting upgraded,B9TLs will probs move onto 16 To fully convert that to B9TL Operation,older Geminis will probs move to likes of 85/87 or maybe replace ALX400s at hunslet & huddersfield/halifax/bradford get the old ALX400s as usual.E300s for huddersfield seems more logical than streetlites (if we do get new buses - we could end up with leeds eclipses yet) as a E300 is basiclly an updated SPD (Hopefully they age better!).Bradfords Wreg solos could do with getting rid of but thats highly unlikly unless it gets to a point were almost all of them have gone up in flames
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Post by norbut on Feb 22, 2013 18:38:53 GMT 1
totally agree it's by time first update their fleet of buses only time will tell if it comes off to get people to use them
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 22, 2013 22:46:57 GMT 1
The 100 new buses last year obviously passed you by.
People keep saying they've "heard", where are they hearing this stuff.
Isn't the street lite a small Solo type bus, of which there are next to none in Leeds?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 22:57:57 GMT 1
The 100 new buses last year obviously passed you by. People keep saying they've "heard", where are they hearing this stuff. Isn't the street lite a small Solo type bus, of which there are next to none in Leeds? Streetlite MAX - 45seater,perfect replacement for older single deckers
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Post by Burnside on Feb 22, 2013 22:58:12 GMT 1
Yes, but they are trialling a StreetLite Max in S Yorks and it is a 45 seater, so comparable with a Versa rather than a Solo. Think they are looking at these as lower weight alternatives to B7RLE's.
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Post by michael1971 on Feb 22, 2013 23:07:29 GMT 1
Yes, but they are trialling a StreetLite Max in S Yorks and it is a 45 seater, so comparable with a Versa rather than a Solo. Think they are looking at these as lower weight alternatives to B7RLE's. there is one in Oldham depot aswell and going for trails in Tameside with the First depot there
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Post by biroguy on Feb 23, 2013 11:10:30 GMT 1
The 100 new buses last year obviously passed you by. People keep saying they've "heard", where are they hearing this stuff. Isn't the street lite a small Solo type bus, of which there are next to none in Leeds? I can`t comment on the type of bus coming this year to Leeds but as far as numbers go, it was First Leeds themselves who announced 200 new buses in 18 months. If you go back to the March/April of last year there was an interview with Oliver Howarth in the YEP in which he quotes that figure. The interview was tied in with the launch of the new Leeds identity and better buses for life. Anyway we shall see in the course of time what happens! Those old Scania`s won`t last forever!
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Post by andyk4050 on Feb 23, 2013 11:19:18 GMT 1
Bramley are meant to be getting some ADL Enviro 300's to replace the 610?? Scanias
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 25, 2013 18:42:22 GMT 1
Yes, but they are trialling a StreetLite Max in S Yorks and it is a 45 seater, so comparable with a Versa rather than a Solo. Think they are looking at these as lower weight alternatives to B7RLE's. I can't see that a Streetlite could be a suitable replacement for a B7RLE, assuming the route warranted a B7RLE in the first place. Sure, it may have the capacity, but can it really compete in terms of ride quality? I'd be amazed if something with such tiny wheels and that looks so poky could be considered in the same breath as a B7RLE.
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Post by Burnside on Feb 26, 2013 7:25:14 GMT 1
Never having used a StreetLite, i couldn't answer that, but i do know other operators have thought of a long StreetLite or Optare Versa rather than a B7RLE because of the much lighter weight and the fuel savings that should bring. That said, i can think of a number of routes where a B7RLE is used but a smaller bus would suffice.
I know which of the two is better looking and that's the Volvo!
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Feb 26, 2013 22:57:28 GMT 1
Always thought a lighter bus would suffer from heavier loadings will be more thirsty on fuel than a full size single decker. A full size single decker like the Volvo b7rle probably has better reliability issues. Its a 7.1 litre volvo engine with ZF gearbox, compared to what could be cummins 4.5 litre with Voith gearbox. larger engine = less stress on the bus, better reliability. can only see the streetlite max be comparible on the midibus market, something the enviro 200 and does well.
Why havent first consider the optare tempo? could do with a few Demo's. centre bus and arriva have them, it might be what first are looking for if they want a lighter single deck bus.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 23:01:47 GMT 1
Always thought a lighter bus would suffer from heavier loadings will be more thirsty on fuel than a full size single decker. A full size single decker like the Volvo b7rle probably has better reliability issues. Its a 7.1 litre volvo engine with ZF gearbox, compared to what could be cummins 4.5 litre with Voith gearbox. larger engine = less stress on the bus, better reliability. can only see the streetlite max be comparible on the midibus market, something the enviro 200 and does well. Why havent first consider the optare tempo? could do with a few Demo's. centre bus and arriva have them, it might be what first are looking for if they want a lighter single deck bus. Optare dont make the tempo anymore - its the Tempo SR & The only ones that have been built havent gone down too well with operators (breaking down,poor built quailty - typical optare)
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Post by Matty on Feb 26, 2013 23:11:01 GMT 1
2 of our Tempo's at Centrebus have had to be rebuilt because of the body cracking. The interiors rattle like mad and they are terrible to drive because the suspension is rock solid. Can't hear myself think when I'm driving them, I drove a Scania on 757 other week and that was far more superior.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 23:22:03 GMT 1
2 of our Tempo's at Centrebus have had to be rebuilt because of the body cracking. The interiors rattle like mad and they are terrible to drive because the suspension is rock solid. Can't hear myself think when I'm driving them, I drove a Scania on 757 other week and that was far more superior. you buy cheap - you get cheap i think the Wright Streetlite is ment to be more Pulsar than eclipse (light weight,Small Wheels),Arrivas Pulsars seem to be aging ok (better than ALX300s anyway).Of cause firstbus might get the model below the MAX (10.8m?) - seating B41F So that would work on Services 91/9/5 to replace scanias
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Feb 26, 2013 23:30:51 GMT 1
Makes more sense for the streetlites to be on those routes. Just as long as there not mixed with bramley decker workings. Wouldn't want a streetlite on 49/50/50a routes, there's a likely hood it can happen.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 26, 2013 23:31:13 GMT 1
Isn't the Pulsar exactly the same model as the Eclipse Urban, just that it is on the VDL (Arriva's choice) rather than Volvo. Wrightbus always give the same model multiple names depending on the chassis.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 23:44:41 GMT 1
Isn't the Pulsar exactly the same model as the Eclipse Urban, just that it is on the VDL (Arriva's choice) rather than Volvo. Wrightbus always give the same model multiple names depending on the chassis. Pulsar is lightweight with small wheels,hence why i think the streetlite should be compared to it not the eclipse,a heavy weight bus,put apart from that yes,its the same bus on different chassis
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 23:45:31 GMT 1
Makes more sense for the streetlites to be on those routes. Just as long as there not mixed with bramley decker workings. Wouldn't want a streetlite on 49/50/50a routes, there's a likely hood it can happen. well firstbus have put solos on the 3/3A/2/12/13/13A So it carnt be as bad as that
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Feb 27, 2013 20:49:17 GMT 1
Makes more sense for the streetlites to be on those routes. Just as long as there not mixed with bramley decker workings. Wouldn't want a streetlite on 49/50/50a routes, there's a likely hood it can happen. well firstbus have put solos on the 3/3A/2/12/13/13A So it carnt be as bad as that Haha. I've been on a Solo on the 2 from Beeston - Leeds. Loadings seemed to cope. Just about full with all passengers on when leaving new briggate for chapel town.
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