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Post by SF07 on Apr 11, 2012 9:23:19 GMT 1
On another TLC note, Metro said that the Changing Times booklet would be available online yesterday but this morning there is still no sign of this or of timetables for TLC's new routes around Shipley, other than the 660. Can only assume there's been some last-minute changes, perhaps the 78A. Should imagine it'll be available in the next 24 hours or so. One change which took place yesterday is Arriva's 444 service re-routing back to its normal route in Stanley with 445 withdrawn. However roadworks in the area will continue for 7 more weeks and affects services 444, 446 and X41. www.wymetro.com/travelnews/busalerts/120410Stanley
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Post by SF07 on Apr 11, 2012 11:48:50 GMT 1
While we wait for the Changing Times booklet to be released, the district changes are listed on the Metro website, with the exception of the Bradford district. Changes not mentioned: *8 (Centrebus) - Service re-routed in Farsley, no longer serving Fairfield Avenue and Croft Street, re-routed to run via Richmond Road between Town Street and Cote Lane. *25 (Tates) - Sunday timetable revised with extra journey at 5.17pm from Holmfirth *36 (Transdev) - The 6.55am and 7.25am weekday journeys from Harrogate will start at Knaresborough, Eastfield Estate at 6.30am and 7am, calling at Knaresborough bus station and Starbeck. The 4.55pm and 5.25pm journeys from Leeds will continue to Knaresborough Eastfield Estate. *46 (Arriva) - Arriva will continue to run 6.04am weekday journey from South Hiendley to Pontefract *92 (Centrebus) - Times changed *128 (Arriva) - Times changed *134 (M Travel) - Times changed *135 (Arriva) - Times changed. All weekday journeys will start from Castleford bus station. Some Mon-Sat evening journeys withdrawn and Sunday journeys retimed to run 5 mins earlier *145, 148-150 (Arriva) - Times changed *156 (Arriva) - Times changed *183 (M Travel) - Times changed. New schoolday journeys at 9.30am from Glasshoughton and 10.23am from Wakefield *184, 185, 189 (Arriva) - Times changed *202/203 (Arriva) - Times changed *253 (Arriva) - Times changed *278 (Arriva) - Times changed *425/427 (Arriva) - Times changed (in addition to Stagecoach Sunday evening service) *500 (Transdev) - Times changed with additional early morning and evening journeys between Keighley and Oxenhope replacing service 663. Additional weekday morning journeys at 8.10am from Keighley and 9.10am from Hebden Bridge *653 (TLC) - Route and times changed. Service arrives into Bradford Interchange via Manor Row, Cheapside and Market Street. *663 (Transdev) - Sounds like withdrawn and replaced by service 500. *664 (Transdev) - Times changed CalderdaleKirkleesLeedsWakefield
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Post by fwybuses on Apr 11, 2012 12:32:18 GMT 1
653, would be good if that went hourly.
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Post by SF07 on Apr 11, 2012 16:54:22 GMT 1
653, would be good if that went hourly. Looking at the Traveline journey planner, that won't be the case. In fact, it looks like a reduction. Weekday times from Bradford: 5.30am to Pool, 7.25am, 10.10am, 1pm, 3pm, 5pm to Otley Weekday daytime from Otley: 6.20am (starts from Pool at 6.15am), 8.30am, 11.05am, 1.55pm, 4pm, 6pm. Meanwhile, we still wait for the Metro Changing Times booklet, but First have posted their service changes in Bradford. First explain that many of their changes are a result of Metro's consultation. Confirmation on changes to services 606, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614, 619, 624, 633, 634, 675, 677, 680, 682, 845, 846 and 847. Early morning and late evening journeys are withdrawn or retimed on services 607, 615, 620, 622, 623, 626, 636, 637, 640, 641 and 645, while 621 times will also change. 675/677 will still run every 40 mins Sunday daytime between Shipley and Bradford (possible that it'll interwork with 633). 847 will not run along the Manchester Road guideway, so will observe the stops on the side of the road. www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/bradford/travel_news/service_updates/
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Post by northerner on Apr 11, 2012 19:50:11 GMT 1
Transdev Keighley are being quiet on their changes, and considering their network is subject to a number of alterations I would have thought they would be keen to let people know in advance
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Post by jc on Apr 11, 2012 20:59:40 GMT 1
First are reinstating evening journeys on the 11 in York from 16th April with the last bus from Stonebow at 2210 (2310 Fridays), advertised on-board. I wonder if it would be worth their while extending it across to Askham Bar from Bishopthorpe (for Tesco, York College and Coastliner).
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 11, 2012 22:00:02 GMT 1
Mailnline 25 is increased to every half hour Keighley-Burnley from Monday. Not much else mentioned on Transdev's websites as yet
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Post by SF07 on Apr 11, 2012 22:13:44 GMT 1
Transdev still advertising their Easter services. Connected to that, TLC's website has been 'currently undergoing essential maintenance' for over a week now. Could it possible that there'll be a big website re-launch at the end of the month to tie in with the big expansions in Bradford and Keighley? www.tlctravelltd.co.uk/
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Post by deerfold on Apr 11, 2012 23:08:26 GMT 1
Transdev Keighley are being quiet on their changes, and considering their network is subject to a number of alterations I would have thought they would be keen to let people know in advance Indeed - I'm guessing there will be people buying K&D-only seasons unaware that some or all of the routes they use will shortly not be run by K&D.
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 11, 2012 23:19:32 GMT 1
First are reinstating evening journeys on the 11 in York from 16th April with the last bus from Stonebow at 2210 (2310 Fridays), advertised on-board. I wonder if it would be worth their while extending it across to Askham Bar from Bishopthorpe (for Tesco, York College and Coastliner). It won't happen. There's only a 5 minute layover in Bishopthorpe and a 10 minute layover in York – taking time out of that to run up to Askham Bar and back would bring that down to just a couple of minutes at each end, and that's before you look at the impact it would have on the 'loop' service through Bish.
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Post by SF07 on Apr 12, 2012 11:32:06 GMT 1
Metro website now states that the Changing Times booklet is available in Travel Centres from next Friday (20 April) rather than this Friday (13 April). However, it still says that the PDF version is available from 10 April. However, Bradford district PDF is available on their website, which gives details to changes happening over the next month. *25 (Transdev) - In addition to the increase of journeys from Transdev in Lancashire from 15 April, Transdev in Keighley will run one weekday journey at 3.35pm from Cross Hills to Keighley *65 (Transdev) - Withdrawn *66/66A (Transdev) - Times changed with early morning and evening journeys slightly retimed and Mon-Sat journeys between 9am and 4pm retimed to run 10 mins later. *67 (Transdev) - The 7.40am weekday journey from Skipton is retimed to run 5 mins earlier *78A (Transdev) - Registration cancelled. Unless last minute change, service withdrawn *629 (TLC) - Service to run Monday-Saturday daytime with one early morning and three Mon-Sat evening journeys between BRI and Mayo Avenue. No Sunday service. Service re-routed between Shipley and Lister Park via Crag Road, Poplar Road, Valley Road and Frizinghall Road in both directions. *659 (TLC) - Route between Shipley and Windhill changed to run via 656 route. *663 (Transdev) - Withdrawn and replaced by service 500 *664 (Transdev) - Times changed. *665 (Transdev) - Withdrawn *704 (Transdev) - Withdrawn and replaced by service 705 *705 (Transdev) - Service to run every half hour Mon-Sat daytime, partly replacing service 704. Evening and Sunday service to run 30 mins later. *706 (TLC) - Mon-Sat evening journeys retimed to run 5 mins earlier. Sunday evening service withdrawn. Sunday daytime service to run between 11.30am and 4.30pm *708 (TLC) - Service to run 30 mins earlier than existing Transdev timetable. Service re-routed via East Parade, Coney Lane, Parkwood Street and Thwaite Bridge, partly replacing service 711. *710 (Transdev) - Weekday journey between Black Hill and Keighley withdrawn. Evening service withdrawn and partly replaced by service 916/917. Sunday daytime service retimed to run 5 mins earlier *712 (Transdev) - The 6.01am weekday journey from Keighley is retimed to run 3 mins later. The 6.40pm Saturday journey from Keighley is retimed to run 10 mins later *717 (Transdev) - Evening and Sunday service to run every hour. *719 (Transdev) - Additional Mon-Sat evening journeys at 6.37pm, 7.37pm and 8.37pm from Ingrow to Keighley *720 (Transdev) - Mon-Sat service to run between Keighley and Windsor Road, Oakworth with Oxenhope only served at peak times. Sunday service withdrawn. Evening journey towards Keighley to run as 719. *721 (Transdev) - New service between Keighley and Oxenhope via Haworth (going off Traveline, it'll run one weekday morning journey from Keighley at 7am and 3 weekday afternoon journeys at 4.18pm, 6.18pm and 7.28pm to Keighley. Route is 500 route to Cross Roads then Haworth Road and 720 route to Oxenhope.) *762/765 (Transdev) - Mon-Sat journeys between 9am and 4pm are retimed to run 10 mins later. *963 (TLC) - Route and times changed with Sunday service withdrawn and a reduction in journeys running from Bradford and Ilkley. Otley-Ilkley continues to run every hour. Service re-routed in Guiseley via 653 route (Park Road and Otley Road instead of Bradford Road). *SS1 (Transdev) - Registration cancelled. Unless last minute change, service withdrawn www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/34916154-2759-40ED-A635-297EC27BF1E5/0/3WeeklyBFD050412100512.pdf
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Post by SF07 on Apr 12, 2012 19:29:32 GMT 1
Changing Times booklet finally available from the Metro website. Also separate booklets for Keighley and Shipley areas, which goes more in-depth with the changes. Most of the changes have been covered already but final confirmation on some of the proposed changes: *70 (Transdev) - Schoolday journeys re-numbered as school service 972 *71 (Little Red Bus) - New service, partly replacing service SS1, running between Low Bradley and Steeton & Silsden railway station via Cross Hills and Sutton. *74 (Pride of the Dales) - Some morning and late afternoon journeys retimed *78A (Transdev/Little Red Bus) - Service taken over by Little Red Bus and runs between Skipton and Airedale Hospital. Service will have boarding restrictions on sections of route covered by 66/66A. *79 (Transdev/Little Red Bus) - Service taken over by Little Red Bus with times changed *92 (Centrebus) - January-July timetable changed with daytime service running 15 mins later *96A (Tates) - The 4.40pm journey from Barnsley now terminates at Kexborough instead of Denby Dale *202/203 (Arriva) - Early morning and early evening journeys retimed to run upto 5 mins earlier *253 (Arriva) - The 7.45am weekday journey from Wakefield to Bradford is retimed to leave at 7.40am and run 5 mins earlier between Wakefield and Cleckheaton *278 (Arriva) - The 6.20am weekday journey from Elland to Wakefield is retimed to run at 6.15am *411 (Arriva) - New early morning, evening and Sunday service between Carcroft and Doncaster, partly replacing service 409 *488 (M Travel) - Schoolday journeys at 2.25pm from Knottingley and 2.53pm from Chequerfield are withdrawn *500 (Stringers) - Some schoolday journeys withdrawn *553 (Centrebus) - Times changed on journeys to Halifax *573 (Centrebus) - New service between Halifax and Brighouse via Elland, replacing First service 570. *665 (Transdev) - Not withdrawn. Times changed with Sunday evening journeys continuing from Oakworth to Keighley as service 717 *717 (Transdev) - Sunday evening journeys continues from Oakworth to Keighley as service 665. *SS1 (Transdev) - Replaced by new service 71. www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/0A9EB621-CCD7-464D-A201-7AB9AD2A6FEA/0/PTC_CT65_InfoLeaflet.pdfwww.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/F10DBE0D-E621-474D-B4EB-11863F4697E5/0/PTC_Keighley_InfoLeaflet.pdfwww.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/1046D765-A6AF-4B60-92FF-334381B430B2/0/PTC_Shipley_InfoLeaflet.pdf
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Post by Burnside on Apr 12, 2012 19:42:53 GMT 1
Some of the changes have gone under the radar somewhat.
963 - Some journeys will only operate between Otley and Ilkley? 721 - Where did that come from? 704 - Withdrawn. Previously was meant to be rerouted to serve Parkwood Flats, but as 705 already does, makes sense to have all journeys as 705's. Little Red Bus gaining work.
Will be interesting to see how it all comes together and what fleet changes come of it.
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Post by Matty on Apr 12, 2012 20:29:39 GMT 1
I like our new 573 route, I will love doing that!
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 12, 2012 21:30:43 GMT 1
The Courier's report of the PCC Meeting mentioned the 573 which was a late decision by Metro and I believe maybe a 12 month trial until the Calderdale Review takes place
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 12, 2012 21:37:45 GMT 1
The interesting Leyland Olympian workings that Transdev Keighley do on the 65, 70, 78A & 79 all look to be pretty much coming to an end, either being withdrawn, operated by Little Red Bus, or converted into school services. Catch them while you can!
In Bradford there are lots of pros and cons. The 613/614 is a positive. I never understood why the 682 ran to Fagley so that's good that it's been tidied up. Many other evenings & sunday only buses such as the 611 have also been sorted out, but the 627 remains as an odd one, with Purple Line buses running via Wrose still at these times.
Shipley Glen is one of the losers, now only having a bus once an hour on the 677 rather than the two per hour on the 624 they have now.
The main issue that will no doubt cause complaints in the T&A will be ticketing, with customers having to use MetroDay's instead of FirstDay's.
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Post by northerner on Apr 12, 2012 21:49:01 GMT 1
Some of the changes have gone under the radar somewhat. 963 - Some journeys will only operate between Otley and Ilkley? 721 - Where did that come from? 704 - Withdrawn. Previously was meant to be rerouted to serve Parkwood Flats, but as 705 already does, makes sense to have all journeys as 705's. Little Red Bus gaining work. Will be interesting to see how it all comes together and what fleet changes come of it. The 721 does seem a little odd and I can't see the service being popular, unless it is co-ordinated with the 500 to provide extra journeys between Keighley and Oxenhope at peak times. Axing the 704 makes sense although passengers who use the 705 and 710 services appear to be the ones worse off from the changes. At a guess, it would appear only 6 or 7 Darts will be required for the local network On an unrelated note, it is good to see Metro introducing a half-fare MetroDay from May, given that Arriva and First currently offer such products.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 12, 2012 23:03:21 GMT 1
The 721 sounds like a positioning/quick return service for the 720 journeys that go to/from Oxenhope. I know from experience that at least one 720 from Keighley on a morning around 8am carried no passengers every tme I saw it (at least 3 times a week for a good year or so) so I bet they're just saving fuel by running the outward positioning service and return PM journeys via a quicker route.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Apr 13, 2012 8:26:31 GMT 1
The Courier's report of the PCC Meeting mentioned the 573 which was a late decision by Metro and I believe maybe a 12 month trial until the Calderdale Review takes place They are getting in quick, I haven't even prepared the registration yet and the timetable hasn't been finalised as to what it will actually be. Not sure about period/funding status so can't comment on that. Registration won't be prepared until next week in whatever form it takes (I assume from these reports that I will definitely be registering this route next week, I wasn't yet aware we had won it).
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 13, 2012 9:41:14 GMT 1
Centrebus according to Metro's leaflet
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Post by SF07 on Apr 13, 2012 20:48:31 GMT 1
About 30-odd timetables uploaded today on the Metro website, mainly consisting of the rest of the changes in Bradford and Wakefield. Only major timetables missing now are the 570, 571 and 573 services in Halifax plus Transdev and Little Red Bus services in Keighley.
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Post by Matty on Apr 14, 2012 21:56:39 GMT 1
The Courier's report of the PCC Meeting mentioned the 573 which was a late decision by Metro and I believe maybe a 12 month trial until the Calderdale Review takes place They are getting in quick, I haven't even prepared the registration yet and the timetable hasn't been finalised as to what it will actually be. Not sure about period/funding status so can't comment on that. Registration won't be prepared until next week in whatever form it takes (I assume from these reports that I will definitely be registering this route next week, I wasn't yet aware we had won it). They didnt know about it today when I mentioned it at our depot. Will it interwork with the 553?
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Post by SF07 on Apr 15, 2012 10:59:09 GMT 1
Would make sense to. 573 would probably have to run to a quicker timetable or have a bit of waiting time at Brighouse, as if it ran to the current 570 times, it would have a 37 minute layover at Brighouse.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 15, 2012 18:47:27 GMT 1
Looking at all the new timetables I'd say the PVR at TLC Travel will increase by 11 buses (4 in Keighley, 7 in Bradford), meaning the overall PVR will be 20 buses (excluding Accessbus)
It is more than double, so let's hope they make a good job of it.
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Post by 77syk7 on Apr 15, 2012 19:57:00 GMT 1
I am not sure if it has been recorded in these columns or not, but the Holme Valley services are not going to change for another year. Apparantly, it is such a politically sensitive area that there has not been any agreement to the proposed consultations.
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