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Post by Matty on Jul 9, 2010 19:40:55 GMT 1
A Metro Day is somewhat more expensive than a First Day of course, especially off peak It is only £5.. It's worth the extra pound to go on any operator at any time.
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Post by timelesstable on Jul 9, 2010 20:14:42 GMT 1
I hope Centrebus prove themselves capable of recognising multi-operator tickets issued by other operators at long last... Centrebuses are carrying the flier for the new tickets on a piece of string so lets hope they do recognise them now
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 9, 2010 20:15:57 GMT 1
There's stil a £3.30 ticket and those on a limited budget wil notice the different
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Post by SF07 on Jul 9, 2010 20:23:45 GMT 1
There's an error in the 86/86A timetable. The timetable have listed First operating the first weekday evening journey on the 86A, when it should be listed as a Centrebus/White Rose Bus service, which is what is said on the Metro Journey Planner.
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 9, 2010 20:41:42 GMT 1
I disagree with G547 VBB - I think the new Metroday £5 ticket is expensive. If you compare a similar ticket in another ITA - Centro - they charge only £3.70 for their 'n-bus Adult One Day ticket'
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Post by mjn on Jul 9, 2010 21:51:43 GMT 1
Really it shouldn't matter who owns the bus you're riding on, hopefully this quality contract scheme will progress and be able to address that. My understanding was that these tickets are normally so overpriced only because the operators hold all the power, and most are too silly and short-sighted to charge sensible prices (or even to eliminate single operator tickets). As I understand it only one service change per year will take place with quality contracts as well, very sensible, 'network' instability and complexity can only be a bad thing.
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Post by redthunder on Jul 10, 2010 10:53:24 GMT 1
Looking also at the Changing Times Book on the new 63B route, how can you get from Gipton Approach to the Ironwoods Estate then to Cross Gates without going past Seacroft Centre cos I am stumped on that one to be honest. Gipton Approach - Wykebeck Valley Road - Foundry Lane - South Parkway - South Parkway Approach - Ironwood View - Ironwood Approach - Foundry Lane - Cross Gates Road - Station Road. Its like the 90 does now, although that goes opposite way and goes up Foundry Lane and turns left into Ironwood Approach. At the moment the 90 goes from the Ironwoods Estate straight to Seacroft (albeit soon it will be only Monday-Saturday Daytime), but in 2 wks Centrebus on a Sunday the bus from the Ironwoods Estate will go to Cross Gates then Scholes then Seacroft, hmm I think only one route will get busier because of it, and I do believe the nearest route that goes straight to Seacroft without going to Cross Gates 1st is the 16/16A. (Possible re-route of the 16A perhaps)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 10, 2010 11:21:11 GMT 1
I disagree with G547 VBB - I think the new Metroday £5 ticket is expensive. If you compare a similar ticket in another ITA - Centro - they charge only £3.70 for their 'n-bus Adult One Day ticket' It has to be significantly more expensive than the price of the operator's own tickets or else the operators wouldn't agree to it. Hence FirstDay, Arriva Day etc are £4, MetroDay £5.
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Post by SF07 on Jul 10, 2010 13:21:44 GMT 1
A problem with the MetroDay ticket is that for some people, it hasn't relevant to them, as they haven't had any need to use it. Areas like Bradford, Halifax, Huddersfield and Leeds have been predominately First services, while Castleford, Dewsbury, Pontefract and Wakefield are predominately Arriva.
There hadn't been too many other operators that operate services in those areas. Only recently have we seen Centrebus move in on Calderdale and Huddersfield and now Leeds.
Do agree that £5 may be too much. If they made it slightly more expensive than the FirstDay ticket or Arriva day ticket then it may come more appealable. The SystemOne day ticket in Manchester has always been within 50p of the FirstDay ticket (£4 to £4.30 recently, now £4.10 to £4.50). So, it's more appealable to pay 30p or 40p more to use all buses in Greater Manchester than paying £1 more to use all buses in West Yorkshire.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 11, 2010 21:32:56 GMT 1
There isn't actually as much of a peak as you would think, between the 61, 62, 63, 8 & 31/32 the graph is pretty flat (in other words most vehicles are working throughout the day. There is really only 2 buses not fully deployed through the day (Mon-Sat) which is not really enough to do anything worthwhile but does provide the opportunity to pick up other marginal work that may turn up from operators withdrawing off marginal services. Do you know what the PVR is going to be for Centrebus in Leeds? They are also operating the 781 and 950 in daytimes as well as those listed above.
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Post by Matty on Jul 11, 2010 22:23:41 GMT 1
I heard off depot management that they are getting 19 ALX200's
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Post by A1YBG on Jul 11, 2010 23:22:16 GMT 1
would make sense as some are already at the Leeds depot.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jul 12, 2010 8:36:27 GMT 1
There isn't actually as much of a peak as you would think, between the 61, 62, 63, 8 & 31/32 the graph is pretty flat (in other words most vehicles are working throughout the day. There is really only 2 buses not fully deployed through the day (Mon-Sat) which is not really enough to do anything worthwhile but does provide the opportunity to pick up other marginal work that may turn up from operators withdrawing off marginal services. Do you know what the PVR is going to be for Centrebus in Leeds? They are also operating the 781 and 950 in daytimes as well as those listed above. 8 on 737/747/757 14 on Leeds tenders 1 on 950 I didn't bother mentioning the 781 as it is an inefficient fill in and the 950 is a summer only bit so again is incidental.
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Post by Craig on Jul 13, 2010 11:29:05 GMT 1
A few things I've noticed which may or may not have been mentioned.
Foundry Lane/Ironwoods seems to have lost a Sunday daytime service.
Kingswear Crescent has (again!) lost its bus service.
Temple Newsam now only gets one bus an hour on a Sunday but on the positive side gets new links from parts of East Leeds.
Torre Road now only gets an off-peak service on the 63 which also means even longer journey times between St. James' and Halton.
I'm surprised the 33/33A are still funded to run to Menston/Otley half-hourly Eve/Sun as well as the 963/967. Seems a bit like overkill!
It seems that the Sunday service on the 85 (old 44) has been withdrawn.
According to First the decision to withdraw the 757 was due to requests from the Airport and Metro.
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Post by SF07 on Jul 13, 2010 11:57:45 GMT 1
There's a Sunday timetable on the Metro Journey Planner for the 85 on the 25th July, run by First, although looking on the First website under the Forthcoming Timetables, they only have a Monday-Saturday service.
In the original PDF timetable for the 85 when it was extended to Bramley in April, the Sunday service wasn't included, just listed the 87A between White Rose Centre and Hunslet, so it's a bit confusing at the moment
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jul 13, 2010 13:58:12 GMT 1
There's a Sunday timetable on the Metro Journey Planner for the 85 on the 25th July, run by First, although looking on the First website under the Forthcoming Timetables, they only have a Monday-Saturday service. In the original PDF timetable for the 85 when it was extended to Bramley in April, the Sunday service wasn't included, just listed the 87A between White Rose Centre and Hunslet, so it's a bit confusing at the moment 85 Sunday (Leeds to Bramley) will be operated by Centrebus from 25th July.
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Post by mjn on Jul 13, 2010 18:12:07 GMT 1
A Sunday evening only service hey, how absurd, don't remember one of those before even in West Yorkshire!
When did Kingswear Crescent last lose a bus service?
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Post by SF07 on Jul 14, 2010 15:16:53 GMT 1
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Post by Matty on Jul 14, 2010 15:49:54 GMT 1
They don't normally mention other operators names on their website, but they have this time.
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Post by Craig on Jul 14, 2010 17:43:16 GMT 1
Another noticeable change is to the 91 on a Sunday. The service now has one early return journey and then nothing until the main service starts at about 12pm-1pm.
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 14, 2010 18:52:04 GMT 1
As said on here, the 757 is being withdrawn by First at the request from Metro and the airport. Whats the loadings been like recently as the impression originally seemed to be that First were wanting to protect their Leeds-Yeadon corridor and in that case they could have simply truncated the 757s as 33s to Yeadon.
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Post by SF07 on Jul 14, 2010 21:04:44 GMT 1
They don't normally mention other operators names on their website, but they have this time. They also mention that you can use their tickets on Centrebus for the first week, like they do on the Metro website. Obviously just letting people know they can still buy a FirstDay/FirstWeek/FirstMonth ticket (giving First the money) and then use it on Centrebus for a week.
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 14, 2010 21:34:05 GMT 1
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Post by fwybuses on Jul 17, 2010 17:05:12 GMT 1
8 and 63 will interwork at Seacroft Bus Station.
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Post by SF07 on Jul 18, 2010 14:58:02 GMT 1
8 and 63 will interwork at Seacroft Bus Station. Does look like it from the timetables. Only the first few 8's from Seacroft will start from the depot, with the rest interworking with the 63's. All the 8's from Horsforth will carry on as a 63/63A to Leeds. The 63A/63B evening and Sunday service, plus the 9, 61 and 62 stay on their own routes and don't interwork with other services. Did wonder whether they would do something with the 757 rather than have it stand around for 20 minutes but I guess with the vehicles used, that won't happen, plus the 20 minutes can be used to cover any late runnings, particularly when they run the route solo next week.
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