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Post by danielnew on Jun 11, 2010 1:12:41 GMT 1
It's bad news for enthusiasts in some ways that Centrebus are winning this lot - soon there'll be no more double deckers running after 1900 in Leeds bar the Headingley corridor routes as has happened in the Home Counties - 3 of our local routes in Cheshunt, Hertfordshire have gone single deck since the evening tender has been lost by Arriva or Metroline to Centrebus/Uno and numerous other independants in between!
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jun 11, 2010 8:17:47 GMT 1
It's bad news for enthusiasts in some ways that Centrebus are winning this lot - soon there'll be no more double deckers running after 1900 in Leeds bar the Headingley corridor routes as has happened in the Home Counties - 3 of our local routes in Cheshunt, Hertfordshire have gone single deck since the evening tender has been lost by Arriva or Metroline to Centrebus/Uno and numerous other independants in between! There are two reasons why operators don't operate double-deckers in the evening: 1. No passengers - which is the case for the Centrebus evening contract through Cheshunt (in fact when i put larger Darts on the journeys the depot asked me to change it as there were no passengers in the evening and it was difficult to get the larger vehicles (about the same roadspace as a decker) around the estate at the Hertford they serve in the evenings) so I would be surprised if Arriva had kept deckers out in the evenings if they had the contract) and since I can only think of 1 decker operated route into Cheshunt - last I heard Metroline was running single-deckers on theirs during the day - what the rest refers to eludes me. 2. Anti-social behaviour - drunken louts on the top deck etc mean that operators/passengers prefer singles in the evening (or if they are not available many block off the top decks so they are effectively single-deckers from the passengers perspective). As for the Leeds tender round, nothing has been announced as there are still on-going discussions into who has won what and whatever information you may have gleaned has probably changed again since you last heard. Watch this space hopefully we will know within a week what is finally going on, but anything you may have heard so far is either just speculation or out-of-date. It changed yesterday and will probably change again before finalised.
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Post by angrycommuter on Jun 11, 2010 8:51:42 GMT 1
From what you are saying, Dwarfer, I'm assuming First have thrown their toys out of the pram again, as per the 757? When is the final date you can register bus services before the July change date?
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 11, 2010 9:13:10 GMT 1
From what you are saying, Dwarfer, I'm assuming First have thrown their toys out of the pram again, as per the 757? When is the final date you can register bus services before the July change date? Where did First throw their toys out of the pram re the 757?
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Post by Jack on Jun 11, 2010 10:08:47 GMT 1
From what you are saying, Dwarfer, I'm assuming First have thrown their toys out of the pram again, as per the 757? When is the final date you can register bus services before the July change date? You can register at a shorter notice of 28 days so probably at the back end of this month then four weeks prior to the service changes.
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Post by angrycommuter on Jun 11, 2010 10:51:06 GMT 1
From what you are saying, Dwarfer, I'm assuming First have thrown their toys out of the pram again, as per the 757? When is the final date you can register bus services before the July change date? Where did First throw their toys out of the pram re the 757? They registered to run the 757 commercially just a few minutes in front of Centrebus when they lost the Airport contract. The service is now been cancelled. It was a childish and badly thought through reaction.
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 11, 2010 11:06:17 GMT 1
Where did First throw their toys out of the pram re the 757? They registered to run the 757 commercially just a few minutes in front of Centrebus when they lost the Airport contract. The service is now been cancelled. It was a childish and badly thought through reaction. No, its a very good business reaction. Run the service commercially and not lose out to other companies, thus forcing Centrebus to run it commercially hopefully detering them off the route instead. Its called fighting til the death. Now as mentioned elsewhere, First could be changing another route to take in the Airport and sorrounding areas.
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Post by angrycommuter on Jun 11, 2010 11:55:48 GMT 1
If First were a good company they would not have to worry about competition as their customers would be loyal and reject Centrebus. This can be demonstrated in Dewsbury where the Arriva 202 generally runs just a few minutes in from on the Longstaff 205 but passengers wait for Longstaff as their drivers are friendlier, they are guaranteed to turn up and their prices are cheaper.
First have had a monopoly in Leeds and have not had to compete with any other company meaning that those who have to use the bus have no choice but to pay higher and higher fares and put up with an often poor quality service. Their reaction to Centrebus was something more akin to shady operators who like to act like parasites to run one or two minutes before another operator to pick up all the passengers and try to force them off the road. If First wanted to operate to the airport then ok, but why not work their services to provide an every 15 minute service to provide maximum benefits to passengers (who they rely on to survive). I still maintain that First's reaction was childish and not sensible from a business perspective.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jun 11, 2010 13:50:40 GMT 1
They registered to run the 757 commercially just a few minutes in front of Centrebus when they lost the Airport contract. The service is now been cancelled. It was a childish and badly thought through reaction. No, its a very good business reaction. Run the service commercially and not lose out to other companies, thus forcing Centrebus to run it commercially hopefully detering them off the route instead. Its called fighting til the death. I would say it is a very bad business reaction, in-terms of longer term local relationships. Maintaining a service is not-commercial and requires council support right up until the moment they are told someone will operate it commercially and then running commericially right in front saying you always considered this route had potential does not endear you to local stakeholders. Particularly if you withdraw those services with a few months for political reasons. As for registration dates it is 56-day unless you can meet one of the short-notice criteria when there is no minimum notice period required but no guarantee that the Traffic Commissioners will allow it. Generally if replacing a withdrawn service, or with council support on contracted services (both of which may be happening in this case) there is little issue with the TC accepting short-notice registrations. However we would hope to be in a position to register before the end of next week as I need to get things done before I go on holiday (and the depot need time for training, recruitment etc) so hopefully all should become clear soon.
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Post by rossbailey on Jun 13, 2010 13:51:01 GMT 1
I was talking to one of the Centrebus drivers on the 757 from Leeds bus station to Leeds/Bradford Airport yesterday afternoon to as which i was the only person on board as the Firstbus wright Eclipse Gemini in front of us on the 757 service was full.
Anyway I will get to the point, He said to me that they Centrebus have now aquired the 33/33A Monday to Staurday early morning, evenings and all day sunday services from July service changes.
He also mentioned that they have also won work not just off both Geldards and First but also off Arriva as well to the south of the city.
So load knows what they are taking off arriva. Anyone have any ideas to as which routes?
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Post by Matty on Jun 13, 2010 18:56:17 GMT 1
I was talking to one of the Centrebus drivers on the 757 from Leeds bus station to Leeds/Bradford Airport yesterday afternoon to as which i was the only person on board as the Firstbus wright Eclipse Gemini in front of us on the 757 service was full. Anyway I will get to the point, He said to me that they Centrebus have now aquired the 33/33A Monday to Staurday early morning, evenings and all day sunday services from July service changes. He also mentioned that they have also won work not just off both Geldards and First but also off Arriva as well to the south of the city. So load knows what they are taking off arriva. Anyone have any ideas to as which routes? A Calderdale driver was talking today & saying something about they have got the local Todmorden services in Halifax or bidded for them (Can't remember), but only time will tell!
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jun 14, 2010 8:19:33 GMT 1
I was talking to one of the Centrebus drivers on the 757 Anyway I will get to the point, He said to me that they Centrebus have now aquired the 33/33A Monday to Staurday early morning, evenings and all day sunday services from July service changes. He also mentioned that they have also won work not just off both Geldards and First but also off Arriva as well to the south of the city. So load knows what they are taking off arriva. Anyone have any ideas to as which routes? Since even the depot managers have no information about what services may or may not have been gained from Metro, and that the senior management do not yet know exactly what the final split of work is (as stated previously albeit slightly less clearly) how would any driver have any information that is any better than a complete guess. I think it would be better to wait for the official information before commenting any further.
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Post by angrycommuter on Jun 14, 2010 10:29:11 GMT 1
Does anyone know what service were on the Leeds tender batch? Usually the batch details are released prior to bids been taken but this time round there are no details. I'm assuming that the batch will be for the off peak operations and all day on the Horsforth locals etc., but if Centrebus have won these, they will have many buses sat around doing nothing all day which is a waste of resources. From a business persepctive this does not make sense.
Therefore I would assume that Centrebus will operate some services commercially during the day on routes that they have won the tender for off peak, similarly to how the 757 is now operating. The tender will help to subsidise the commercial aspects of the service and also attract passengers away from the First monopoly. Whatever the outcome, there are interesting times ahead.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jun 14, 2010 16:36:32 GMT 1
Does anyone know what service were on the Leeds tender batch? Usually the batch details are released prior to bids been taken but this time round there are no details. I'm assuming that the batch will be for the off peak operations and all day on the Horsforth locals etc., but if Centrebus have won these, they will have many buses sat around doing nothing all day which is a waste of resources. From a business persepctive this does not make sense. It's probably too many services to list (there were over one hundred individual contracts listed previously - not routes mornings would be a seperate contract to evenings which is a seperate contract to Sundays etc.). Most of the tender batch relates to evenings, early mornings & Sundays across much of the Leeds network (if I knew Leeds better it would probably be quicker to list the services that aren't involved) as well as those other daytime low-frequency services mentioned here and previously. There have also been a few additional service/journey/section withdrawals by First as well to factor in. Details should be finalised, hopefully, later in the week.
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Post by SF07 on Jun 14, 2010 17:27:20 GMT 1
List of services that will change its times for the summer holidays. The 184 (Huddersfield-Manchester) and X6 will run to summer times from 25th July until 28th August, while the 1, 28, 92, 95, 96, 97 and X84 summer timetables will start from this Sunday (20th June) until 18th September (to coincide with the university summer break). The 398/399 Huddersfield uni services stop from 4th July until 4th September. www.wymetro.com/travelnews/ServiceChanges/SummertimeAlso, from VOSA, Lancashire company Tyrer Bus have registered a Sunday service on the Keighley-Colne route, which is part of Transdev's Mainline route. PC0002380/116 - TYRER TOURS LTD, 16 KIRBY ROAD, LOMESHAYE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, NELSON, BB9 6RS Registration Accepted Starting Point: Colne Bus Station Finish Point: Keighley Bus Station Via: Cowling Service Number: 25 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 01-AUG-2010 Other Details: Sundays and bank holidays Every 2 hours
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Post by the110 on Jun 17, 2010 9:43:57 GMT 1
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Post by Craig on Jun 20, 2010 23:58:39 GMT 1
Technically this is a June service change but it saves starting a new thread. As previously announced First's trial of the operation of service 92 during the university holidays will start tomorrow (21st June). This is partly designed to mitigate the loss of the 78 in Woodhouse although the 92 only covers the part of the old 78 route that the frequent 51 and 55 already use! The holiday service will consist of an hourly off-peak service starting at Woodhouse at 0941 and finishing at Albion Street at 1448. Departures from the Tannery at 1000 and hourly until 1400, from Headingley Campus at 1030 and hourly until 1430 (Geldards 28B holiday service also leaves at these times). See www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/C42740FE-6836-41FB-A0A6-6963C1538B4C/0/092_lds_bustimetable.pdf for more details. Also from tomorrow the 95 will operate late nights only as per usual during the university holidays while the other Headingley corridor services are subject to revision over the summer. The 398/399 in Huddersfield will take its summer break from 4th July. See www.wymetro.com/travelnews/ServiceChanges/Summertime
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Post by beastexpress on Jun 21, 2010 8:56:37 GMT 1
Change on the 508 could be CORRECTING the time table, look at it. If I recall you get to Dawsons corner before Kirkstall coming from Leeds!
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Post by Burnside on Jun 21, 2010 13:19:52 GMT 1
Coming from Leeds, it's definitely kirkstall before Dawson's Corner.
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Post by angrycommuter on Jun 21, 2010 14:09:20 GMT 1
The first of the July changes are now been registered on VOSA:
PB0004441/3 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Bradford interchange and leeds Bradford Airport given service number 747 effective from 25-Jul-2010. To amend Timetable.
PB0004441/5 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Pudsey Finish Point: Holton Moor Via: Bramley kirkstall Hedingley Service Number: 91 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday huorly service
PB0004441/6 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Bradford Finish Point: Intake Via: Thornbury Service Number: 15 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday Hourly Service
PB0004441/7 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: leeds Finish Point: Bramley Via: Armley Service Number: 85 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: monday to Saturday Evening only Hourly Service
PB0004441/8 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Middleton Finish Point: Crossgates Via: Rothwell Service Number: 9 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday Evening service hourly Sunday hourly
PB0004441/8 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Middleton Finish Point: Crossgates Via: Rothwell Service Number: 9 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday Evening service hourly Sunday hourly
PB0004441/9 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Pudsey Finish Point: Seacroft Via: Farsley Horsforth Service Number: 8 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday Hourly Service
PB0004441/10 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Horsforth Finish Point: Holt Park Via: Service Number: 32 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday 2 hourly service
PB0004441/11 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: St James Hospital Finish Point: Seacroft Via: Leeds Cross Green-cross gates-scholes Service Number: 63 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Daily service hourly
PB0004441/12 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: White Rose Centre Finish Point: Gledhow Via: Wortley-Kirkstall Service Number: 38 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Friday Morning Evening Service Saturday Hourly Evening Service Sunday Hourly Service
PB0004441/13 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: leeds Finish Point: Otley Via: Harewood Weardley Pool Service Number: 781 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saterday One journey in each direction PB0004441/14 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Swinnow Finish Point: St James Hospital Via: Hunslet Service Number: 86A Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday Hourly Evenings only Sunday Hourly service
PB0004441/15 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: leeds Finish Point: St James Hospital Via: Hunslet ,Cross Green Service Number: 61 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday Half Hourly Service
PB0004441/16 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Horsforth Finish Point: Holt Park Via: Service Number: 31 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: monday to Saturday 2 hourly
PB0004441/17 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD, 5 SUMMERBANK CLOSE, DRIGHLINGTON, BRADFORD, BD11 1LQ Registration Accepted by SN Starting Point: Cross Green Finish Point: Leeds Via: Service Number: 62 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 25-JUL-2010 Other Details: Monday to Saturday half hourly Sunday Hourly
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 21, 2010 14:29:46 GMT 1
Interesting indeed. The 91 being the major change (locally to me) Currently half hourly, does that mean that First & Centrebus will run hourly services?
Also note that there is some awful spelling from Vosa. Saterday? Holton?
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Post by Matty on Jun 21, 2010 14:39:48 GMT 1
Excellent, bus wars have started! LOL
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Post by Billogs on Jun 21, 2010 16:30:35 GMT 1
PB1078487/34 - Huddersfield Bus Company Limited T/A THE HUDDERSFIELD BUS COMPANY, 102 Cannock St, Leicester, LE4 9HR Variation Accepted: Operating between Wakefield Bus Station and Holmfirth Bus Station given service number 435/436 effective from 29-Aug-2010. To amend Timetable.
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Post by puggy on Jun 21, 2010 20:42:12 GMT 1
Regarding the 15 - where's Intake?! Is it near Farsley where the current First 15 terminus is?
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 21, 2010 21:47:18 GMT 1
Transdev Lancashire are to run a weekly limited stop service to York
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