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Post by northerner on Mar 8, 2010 23:59:50 GMT 1
I'm aware the 757 turns round at the Airport when it runs late but at least Otley currently has a direct link to Yeadon/Horsforth/Kirkstall, which seems to be well used from my own experiences. The 757 currently serves all stops so it would appear the proposed changes will inconvenience more people than will they will benefit.
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Post by Jack on Mar 9, 2010 17:41:53 GMT 1
Well First have published their service changes for April.
Service 5: Old Farnley - Leeds - Halton Moor [Yellow line]
A new overground service - the Yellow Line. Between Leeds and Halton Moor operates every 10 minutes - just like service 37. Between Old Farnley and Leeds operates every 20 minutes.
For journeys between Leeds, Seacroft and Cross Gates catch service 90.
Service 5A: Colton - Seacroft - Leeds - Old Farnley
This service will be withdrawn. For Seacroft, Scholes, Cross Gates and Colton catch service 90. For Cross Green Lane and East End Park catch service 63.
Service 15: Bradford - Farsley - Intake
This service will now operate hourly in the daytime, 7 days a week between Bradford, Farsley and Intake.
For journeys between Farsley and Leeds, use re-routed service 508.
Services 18/18A: Tinshill/Ireland Wood - Leeds - Colton/Garforth [Pink line]
These services will have a new timetable with minor changes.
Services 33/33A: Leeds - Otley [Green Line]
Journeys that terminate at Horsforth Fleece will be extended to Yeadon. All journeys to/from Otley will operate via High Royds.
Service 35: Leeds - Alwoodley Avenue Service 45: Leeds - Shadwell Service 71: Leeds - Primley Park - Wigton Moor [Peach line] Service X35: Leeds - Alwoodley
These services will have new timetables to improve reliability.
Service 71 will operate between Leeds and Primley Park on Monday-Saturday daytimes - for journeys to Wigton Moor catch new service 48.
Services 37/37A: Leeds - Halton Moor [Beige Line]
These services are withdrawn. For service 37 use new service 5 [Yellow line], still every 10 minutes. For Torre Road use service 90.
Services 40/40A: Pudsey - Leeds - Seacroft [Indigo line]
These services will have a new timetable with minor changes.
Services 44/44A: Pudsey - Leeds
These services will be withdrawn. For journeys between Leeds and Bramley use services 85/87. For journeys between Bramley, Rodley, Owlcotes and Pudsey catch service 86. For journeys between Bramley and Swinnow in the evenings and Sundays catch service 86A.
New Service 48: Wigton Moor - Moortown - Chapeltown - Leeds - Middleton Arms
This is a new service operating hourly, Monday-Saturday daytime replacing services 88/88A in Belle Isle and Middleton and service 71 from Wigton Moor to Moortown and Leeds.
Service 62: Cross Green - St. James Hospital
This service will have a new timetable with minor changes.
Service 63: St James Hospital - Leeds - Ivy Street - Cross Gates
A new daytime service will be introduced between St James Hospital to Vicar Lane, Cross Green Lane, East End Park and replacing service 78 between Osmondthorpe, Halton Moor, Temple Gate to Cross Gates.
Evenings and Sundays this service will now terminate at Vicar Lane - there are no other changes to the service at these times. Service 63A will continue to terminate in Park Row.
Service 72: Leeds - Bradford
This service will be increased to operate every 10 minutes Monday-Saturday daytime and every 15 minutes Sunday daytime.
Service 78: Leeds - Crossgates
This service will be withdrawn - catch replacement service 63.
Service 85: Bramley - Leeds - Morley Service 87: Bramley - Leeds - Morley
These services will be extended from Leeds to Bramley to replace service 44. They will have new timetables to improve reliability.
Service 86: Middleton - Armley - Bramley - Rodley - Farsley - Pudsey
This service will be extended from Bramley to Pudsey via the Owlcotes Centre to replace service 44A.
Service 86A: St James Hosptial - East End Park - Hunslet - Armley - Bramley - Swinnow
This service will be extended from Bramley to Swinnow evenings and Sundays to replace service 44.
Service 87A: White Rose Centre - Hunslet
This service will operate between White Rose Centre, Middleton and Hunslet. For journeys between Belle Isle and Leeds catch service 74A.
Services 88/88A: Leeds - Middleton
These services will be withdrawn - catch replacement service 48.
Service 90: Greengates - Pudsey - Leeds - Seacroft - Scholes - Cross Gates - Colton
This service will be extended from Leeds to Colton via Torre Road to replace services 5, 5A and 37A.
Service 90A: Tyersal - Leeds
This service will be withdrawn. Catch replacement service 90 - this service will now run hourly in the evening with all journeys terminating at Greengates.
Service 99: Leeds - Wetherby - Deighton Bar Service X98: Leeds - Wetherby - Deighton Bar
These services will have new timetables to improve reliability.
Service 508: Halifax - Odsal - Dawsons Corner - Farsley - Leeds
This service will now operate from Dawsons Corner via Farsley and Kirkstall into Leeds to replace service 15.
For journeys between Stanningley, Bramley and Leeds use improved service 72.
Service 670: Bradford - Rodley - Leeds
This service will have a new timetable
Service 757: Leeds Rail Station - Leeds Bradford Airport
This service will now operate half hourly, Monday-Saturday daytime between Leeds Rail Station and Leeds Bradford Airport.
Service 966: Guiseley - Yeadon - Westfield Service 967: Otley - Menston
These services will no longer be operated by First.
Service X6: Huddersfield - Bradford - Leeds [Limited Stop]
This service will have a new Saturday morning timetable.
Service X84: Leeds - Otley - Ilkley - Skipton
This service will have a new timetable to improve reliability.
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Post by SF07 on Mar 9, 2010 17:57:51 GMT 1
Other changes from First's webpages:
*307 - The 8.41am journey from Cross Lane runs 10 minutes later *324 - Weekday service runs every 12 minutes *327 - Times changed *363 - Times changed *521 - New evening/Sunday timetable *650 - The 8.44am and 9.44am journeys from Bradford will run 24 minutes earlier. The 5.34pm journey to Bradford will leave at 5.40pm *680 - Times changed *681 - Times changed *846 - Afternoon times changed.
As for the Leeds changes, the following places will be served by the following services: *Bramley: 85, 87 *Colton: 90 *Cross Gates: 63, 90 *Farsley: 86, 508 *Halton Moor: 5 *Kirkstall: 508 *Middleton: 48 *Owlcotes Centre: 86, 86A *Rodley: 86 *Seacroft: 90 *Scholes: 90 *Wigton Moor: 48
*So, for the 44/44A withdrawl, the 86 replaces it between Pudsey and Bramley via Owlcotes Centre and Farsley, 86A replaces 44 between Bramley and Swinnow evenings and Sundays and the 85/87 replaces it between Bramley and Leeds. *The 508 replaces the 15 between Farsley and Leeds. *37/37A replaced by the 5, which still runs every 20 minutes between Leeds and Old Farnley *5A replaced by the 90 *88/88A and 71 to Wigton Moor (Monday-Saturday daytime) replaced by 48.
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Post by fwybuses on Mar 9, 2010 19:16:26 GMT 1
Well First have published their service changes for April. Service X6: Huddersfield - Bradford - Leeds [Limited Stop]
This service will have a new Saturday morning timetable. The X6 will i imagine now have a 1040AM departure from Leeds, currently it doesn't and the 15 fills in for the 1040 missing departure with a 1030 one.
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Post by mark35 on Mar 9, 2010 19:38:06 GMT 1
Services 33/33A: Leeds - Otley [Green Line]
Journeys that terminate at Horsforth Fleece will be extended to Yeadon. All journeys to/from Otley will operate via High Royds. Given that all the services that terminate at Horsforth are 33s, I wonder if they they'll be extended to Westfield.
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Post by SF07 on Mar 9, 2010 21:30:03 GMT 1
Services 33/33A: Leeds - Otley [Green Line]
Journeys that terminate at Horsforth Fleece will be extended to Yeadon. All journeys to/from Otley will operate via High Royds. Given that all the services that terminate at Horsforth are 33s, I wonder if they they'll be extended to Westfield. Since First have lost the 737, 747 and 966, it could be possible that buses will terminate at Westfield as a 33 or Yeadon centre as a 33A. If the 757 is to become a limited stop service, then it'll be more likely that it'll be a 33A to Yeadon centre to fill in from Horsforth to Harrogate Road.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 9, 2010 21:33:16 GMT 1
Hopefully they'll run them as 33As as they would help with the reliability (or lack of) situation. Yes Yeadon does have the 97s but they take an age to get to Leeds no matter what the timetable says. Mid afternoon journeys can take over an hour especally when you get 'do you go to the rail station' students at Headingley. Also the rather good 757 can be a bit of a hike from the bottom end of Yeadon so sometimes you really need a reliable service from Yeadon itself
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Post by glennh2 on Mar 9, 2010 21:44:35 GMT 1
I wonder what effect the 508 diversion will have on Halifax-Leeds journey times?
Plus the 521 is my local bus- really hope the service frequency on eves/Suns is not reduced
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Post by m60800 on Mar 9, 2010 21:47:48 GMT 1
Service 508: Halifax - Odsal - Dawsons Corner - Farsley - Leeds
This service will now operate from Dawsons Corner via Farsley and Kirkstall into Leeds to replace service 15. quote] Once before on here there was some speculation about Leeds running this route - is that more of a possibility now that its being rerouted into Leeds estates?
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Post by 77syk7 on Mar 9, 2010 21:48:51 GMT 1
Surely there needs to be a link on Sundays and all evenings between Leeds and its Airport. If not, there must be an opportunity for some operator to maintain this link. Many passengers will not be pleased when they find out / realise that the 508 will take even longer to travel to Leeds via the even more congested Kirkstall Road. They should have waited until the bus lanes are operational before changing. The 508 (previously Hebble 8/28) dates back over many decades and it is a real shame they have to 'mess with it' - I hope First will spell out the reasons for this change like Trent/Barton (an excellent and succesful bus company) do on their publicity.
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Post by m60800 on Mar 9, 2010 21:55:06 GMT 1
508 - yes - you think back, many years ago it was limited stop peak out of leeds - look at it now (well, at the next changes!)
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Post by northerner on Mar 9, 2010 21:59:10 GMT 1
I'm confused by the 757 changes. First's service looks to be commercial, however Metro said the tendered service would run daily from 5am until midnight. But according to the T&A report, Metro stated that it was up to the Airport which operator to reach agreement with. Does this mean the airport has gone with First, therefore losing the Sunday link between Leeds and the Airport?
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Post by rossbailey on Mar 9, 2010 22:35:48 GMT 1
Hi
I have heard today that Centrebus with there new Tendered 757 Monday to Sunday 5am to midnight service and First Leeds with there commercial 757 Monday to Saturday 7am to 7Pm service will be both allowed to operate aginst each other in to the Airport.
So looks like we may have a fight on are hands here. Is't compertition good?
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Post by rossbailey on Mar 9, 2010 23:00:06 GMT 1
So anyone like to guess where about the 15 is going to turn around?
Only way I can this happening is if it routes as a circular service operating along the current route from Bradford to Carveley lane then instead of turning Left onto Leeds Bradford Road it would turn right and head upto the traffic lights, At the Half way House, From here it could turn right onto Intake lane before rejoining its normal route back to Bradford by turning left back on to Coal Hill Lane.
Otherwise the only other place it could turn around is the old terminus up near the Aireview Primary School and Stanningley Rugby League pitches which are just of Coal Hill lane and the Coal Hill estate. This turning point has not been used by Buses for about 15 to 20 years if I remember correctly.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 9, 2010 23:04:54 GMT 1
I think the T&A doesn't know what it is talking about, it wouldn't be the first time.
At a guess, I'd say that Centrebus & First tendered for the route, Centrebus won, First wouldn't want to lose the route as it is a major link therefore they have decided to run it commercially daytimes only.
Metro will then offer a tender for Evenings and Sundays only, Centrebus won't want it, as it would be difficult to run operationally, so First will probably win it by default.
You can't have a tendered service going head to head with a commercial one.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 10, 2010 11:46:05 GMT 1
Well First have published their service changes for April. Service 5: Old Farnley - Leeds - Halton Moor [Yellow line]
A new overground service - the Yellow Line. Between Leeds and Halton Moor operates every 10 minutes - just like service 37. Between Old Farnley and Leeds operates every 20 minutes. What is the point of creating a new overground service? Going by recent standards the buses will not carry any yellow on them, the bus stops will not include yellow on them. I doubt most passengers even know what the overground is. First need to either drop the whole colour coding of routes or do it properly like Trent Barton. Seems the only person to benefit at the moment is the man who makes the maps, he will be able to use his yellow pencil on the Leeds map now.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 10, 2010 12:49:28 GMT 1
I can partly see why they created this route to replace the 37 and 37A as their are different numbers used for evening and sunday buses against daytime buses. At least now, Halton Moor has one service number all day instead of the 2 currently used on a night/Sunday, Torre Road is now served all day by the one service (90) instead of 78/37A.
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Post by Jack on Mar 10, 2010 13:53:53 GMT 1
Once before on here there was some speculation about Leeds running this route - is that more of a possibility now that its being rerouted into Leeds estates? Would there be any more room in Bramley for buses to run the service?
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Post by kendall17 on Mar 10, 2010 14:17:11 GMT 1
Once before on here there was some speculation about Leeds running this route - is that more of a possibility now that its being rerouted into Leeds estates? Would there be any more room in Bramley for buses to run the service? Yeah as the school buses have moved out.
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Post by Jack on Mar 10, 2010 14:27:06 GMT 1
However, more buses will have transferred to Bramley from Cherry Row with most of their service work.
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Post by kendall17 on Mar 10, 2010 14:48:07 GMT 1
However, more buses will have transferred to Bramley from Cherry Row with most of their service work. It'll work out about the same i think with around 40 buses going either way? I think there'll be space for an extra 9/10 Geminis.
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Post by Jack on Mar 10, 2010 15:01:31 GMT 1
Looks like there was more than 40 from Cherry Row when the 18/18A, Scott Halls, 56 and 64/64A from Cherry Row plus the 42 from Hunslet Park.
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Post by kendall17 on Mar 10, 2010 16:02:51 GMT 1
Looks like there was more than 40 from Cherry Row when the 18/18A, Scott Halls, 56 and 64/64A from Cherry Row plus the 42 from Hunslet Park. Oh yeah, forgot about the 18. The 42 didn't get that much sent over. IIRC it was about 6 buses?
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Post by Burnside on Mar 10, 2010 16:56:13 GMT 1
Not sure i understand the wording re the 90A.
It says that passengers should use the 90 and that all journeys will terminate at Greengates. Does that mean the 90 will serve Tyersal or is Tyersalk being left without a Leeds service, in which case, why should passengers use the 90 if it isn't taking them where they want to go?
Also, with the 33 'serving' High Royds. Doesn't it already?
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