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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 10, 2010 17:56:16 GMT 1
Probably someone who doesn't know the area thinking greengates is near tyersal. Isn't high royds a little away from the present bus route.
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Post by SF07 on Mar 10, 2010 19:07:14 GMT 1
So anyone like to guess where about the 15 is going to turn around? Only way I can this happening is if it routes as a circular service operating along the current route from Bradford to Carveley lane then instead of turning Left onto Leeds Bradford Road it would turn right and head upto the traffic lights, At the Half way House, From here it could turn right onto Intake lane before rejoining its normal route back to Bradford by turning left back on to Coal Hill Lane. Otherwise the only other place it could turn around is the old terminus up near the Aireview Primary School and Stanningley Rugby League pitches which are just of Coal Hill lane and the Coal Hill estate. This turning point has not been used by Buses for about 15 to 20 years if I remember correctly. I'd guess at a circular route around Calverley Lane and Intack Lane. Just a question of which way round to go. Also, which route will the 508 take between Dawson's Corner and Kirkstall? Will it go along the current 15 route or a slightly different route?
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Post by leedstom on Mar 10, 2010 19:13:19 GMT 1
Also, with the 33 'serving' High Royds. Doesn't it already? At the moment it goes along Bradford Road and turns left up Bingley Road before a right turn to Main Street. As for it how it'll serve High Royds, I wonder if it will go along Bradford Road and turn left along High Royds Drive then Menston Drive before continuing along Main Street.
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Post by Craig on Mar 10, 2010 20:03:27 GMT 1
I had guessed that the short 33 workings and daytime 757 service would be merged into one half-hourly route, it seems odd for them both to keep running.
Has anyone heard on the grapevine what is happening with regards to the tendered 757 service, i.e. evenings and Sundays, now that First are running the daytime service commercially. Also this will be inconvenient to Pool passengers trying to access Leeds who may have to pay twice with different operators.
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Post by fwybuses on Mar 10, 2010 21:38:19 GMT 1
What garage will the 48 be at then? I would imagine bramley alongside the other scott halls, but currently the 88/88A are ran from Hunslet Park.
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Post by Jack on Mar 11, 2010 0:31:44 GMT 1
What garage will the 48 be at then? I would imagine bramley alongside the other scott halls, but currently the 88/88A are ran from Hunslet Park. I suppose it would be based at Hunslet Park if the service is running through Chapeltown.
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Post by jabbott1987 on Mar 11, 2010 0:42:05 GMT 1
The 87A would probably transfer to Hunslet Park with it finishing in Hunslet.
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Post by andyk4050 on Mar 11, 2010 9:37:16 GMT 1
the 87a is staying at bramley because it is interlinking with the 38 at the white rose centre
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Post by fwybuses on Mar 11, 2010 17:49:23 GMT 1
That makes sense to have them interworking at White Rose Centre. Would imagine the 85/87 extending into Bramley, will mean that they will stay at Hunslet Park as that kinda mid point of the route.
On sundays, will the 87A still run between Leeds and White Rose centre or will it be replaced by the 87.
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Post by SF07 on Mar 11, 2010 19:54:39 GMT 1
That makes sense to have them interworking at White Rose Centre. Would imagine the 85/87 extending into Bramley, will mean that they will stay at Hunslet Park as that kinda mid point of the route. On sundays, will the 87A still run between Leeds and White Rose centre or will it be replaced by the 87. 87A will only be running White Rose Centre-Hunslet.
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Post by 77syk7 on Mar 12, 2010 10:35:32 GMT 1
There's a lot of confusion about the changes, but I understand that the new 15 will run Bradford - Intake, hourly daytime by Bradford depot. I have written to First to ask them to offer some explanation for the 'tampering' of the well established 508 route. What we really need is a 20 minute frequency at peaks with some limited stop conditions in the Leeds district (Dawsons's Corner-City). The Journey time for the am pk journey towards Leeds is now 1 hour 41 mins and my guess is it will take 2 hours!
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Post by danielnew on Mar 12, 2010 13:01:20 GMT 1
The 508 should be increased to every 20 mins
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Post by SF07 on Mar 12, 2010 13:23:07 GMT 1
You would have thought, since First lost a few services in Halifax in January, that they would introduce a quicker Halifax-Leeds service, even if it's just a peak-time service (X8 perhaps). When the 508 does change, the 255 will be a quicker service to Leeds than the 508, albeit less frequent.
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Post by Craig on Mar 12, 2010 19:15:56 GMT 1
Maybe it's not the best time to have put in the diversion given that 2 years of roadworks are due to start on the already very busy and congested Kirkstall Road. It's gonna be a looooong journey for peak time Leeds bound passengers.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 12, 2010 19:58:03 GMT 1
I doubt it'll last long, obviously decided by Leeds based planners who just want to cover every served road with some sort of service, I bet it will revert back to the old route in September and some other random route will replace it.
The 508 has gone from one of Halifax's flagship routes to just a secondary route that can be changed at will.
Looking at the 15 & 508 timetables, it should take 5 mins longer at off peak times and 10 mins longer at peak times, but it will seem much longer and that is based on timetables not actual running times
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Post by mjn on Mar 12, 2010 22:02:09 GMT 1
End-to-end passengers on the 508 aren't the real target surely, it takes so much longer than the train it's hardly worth it, especially in the awful rush hour traffic in this part of the world. Therefore Halifax-Leeds travellers would not be helped by any sort of 'express'. Certainly people who use the 508 into Leeds will be affected and it's hardly an optimum situation, but surely most of these will be boarding from some point around Bradford onwards.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 12, 2010 22:47:02 GMT 1
I imagine anyone from Northowram and Shelf onwards would use the 508 into Leeds as it would be quicker than going the wrong way into Halifax and catching a train which aren't particular quick, what with the reversal at Bradford Interchange.
An express service via Stanningley Bypass would be useful, but the chances of First introducing such a service at the same time of day as the school service peak requirement was slim before the recession. These days the chances are non existant.
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Post by humberside on Mar 13, 2010 16:24:05 GMT 1
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Post by 77syk7 on Mar 13, 2010 21:34:44 GMT 1
As a regular traveller on the Northowram - Leeds route the quickest way (if connections are favourable) is 681 to Bradford Interchange; then train Bradford-Leeds
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 14, 2010 13:14:15 GMT 1
Despite showing cancellations on VOSA, Service 906 is to be operated by First as normal this year.
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Post by beastexpress on Mar 15, 2010 15:37:05 GMT 1
^^ or if you are using your 1st day ticket, 681 or 570 ( from Shelf roundabout) to Interchange then X6 to Leeds
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Post by m60800 on Mar 15, 2010 17:32:44 GMT 1
^^ or if you are using your 1st day ticket, 681 or 570 ( from Shelf roundabout) to Interchange then X6 to Leeds On that basis, surely the 508 to Thornbury Barracks then a change to the x6 there, would be better than going into and out of Bradford, if connections permit!
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Post by gledhill56 on Mar 15, 2010 17:41:26 GMT 1
Or change to a 72 at Thornbury Barracks perhaps? Connections shouldn't be too bad if the frequency is going up.
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Post by beastexpress on Mar 15, 2010 17:56:29 GMT 1
Yes, lots of open options for the 508 and others to get in to Leeds
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Post by 77syk7 on Mar 15, 2010 21:26:22 GMT 1
Thanks to all members for their recommendations. However, a bit of research has proved that I am using the quickest multi-modal transport for my journey these are all Weekday am peak times Northowram - Bradford Interchange 681 route journey time 31 minutes; train Bradford - Leeds 25 mins (some only take 19)= TOTAL travelling time 56 Minutes. Northowram-Thornbury 508 journey time 35 mins; 72 Thornbury - Leeds 44 mins (admittedly X6 possibly 35 mins) TOTAL travelling time = 79 MINS (perhaps 70 mins X6 if there is room mid-route)
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