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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 20:10:28 GMT 1
Everybody has a right to an opinion I agree and everyone has different views on it, but I'm just thinking maybe it's not such good timing while the government flat fare is on
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Post by deerfold on Nov 17, 2023 20:28:11 GMT 1
The south yorkshire revenue officers are ex drivers,west yorkshire may be different but never see then.on the road covering duties, and plus the coppers seem to be more scared of the public now as there is no justice system in the UK, without goin off topic I do understand that first must THINK it's a good idea to preserve the revenue, but really while the 2 pound fare cap is on it doesn't matter where u get off lol Assuming they're paying adult fares and not getting concessions they're not entitled to. Or using fake season tickets.
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 21:27:22 GMT 1
That's true i agree with that but maybe another way would have been to scrap the comapmies own tickets just while the government scheme is on, because while it does benefit the company the honest people catching the bus with a valid ticket may feel they're getting victimised too which could in turn them using a car which would completely miss the point of catching a bus, less hassle in their own car
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 21:29:20 GMT 1
Just picture a first time user who has took advantage of a first day ticket or week pass or some sort, and they get approached on their very first trip.on a bus then the revenue inspectors get on the bus may make them.feel like goin back to the car or seeking alternatives
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 17, 2023 21:43:04 GMT 1
“Inspectors” used to exist in the old days, many people think they still do, and nobody had a problem with them then.
When I was in London, an inspector boarded and scanned my Oyster card to check it was valid. I survived the experience and wasn’t emotionally distressed.
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 21:48:11 GMT 1
That's true and I don't disagree but I'm just curious as to why only first have reintroduced it, arriva and stagecoach do not have them after learning paying by card was better and also if you have noticed metro don't have on board ticket checkers anymore either
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 21:49:56 GMT 1
Metro, South yorksire transport executive don't have them either, and they don't have them.at first bus in Somerset or Weymouth either just in yorkshire, I just find it strange why only first have decided to bring it back
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Post by deerfold on Nov 17, 2023 22:09:49 GMT 1
That's true i agree with that but maybe another way would have been to scrap the comapmies own tickets just while the government scheme is on, because while it does benefit the company the honest people catching the bus with a valid ticket may feel they're getting victimised too which could in turn them using a car which would completely miss the point of catching a bus, less hassle in their own car Why should they not offer tickets that give better value to those who quality for them? Isn't that going to put people off catching buses? I've no idea why you think that sequence of events would happen.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 17, 2023 22:10:55 GMT 1
Just picture a first time user who has took advantage of a first day ticket or week pass or some sort, and they get approached on their very first trip.on a bus then the revenue inspectors get on the bus may make them.feel like goin back to the car or seeking alternatives Why would it make them feel like that? "Can I see your ticket" "Here it is" "Thanks" Not sure I see where the problem would be there.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 17, 2023 22:11:48 GMT 1
That's true and I don't disagree but I'm just curious as to why only first have reintroduced it, arriva and stagecoach do not have them after learning paying by card was better and also if you have noticed metro don't have on board ticket checkers anymore either Do Metro no longer have anyone doing ticket surveys? Since when?
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 22:19:03 GMT 1
They made them redundant, one guy I know who used to do metro.ticket surveys was offered to either take redundancy or take another post within metro, he decided to.opt.for the latter amd is now working still within metro and has said no longer do they do ticket surveys, and also if we are talking about value, I'd rather pay 2 pounds travel across the country than whatever a day ticket is to stay in one area, so for a tenner you could get to Manchester or even derby on different operators for 2 pound a time
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 22:20:40 GMT 1
A tenner would get you.as far as Berwick upon tweed, so definitely the better value would be the 2 pound flat fare
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 22:25:28 GMT 1
As I say all this is just my opinion and at the moment the company west yorkshire metro have dangled the carrot to passengers way too easy by offering tickets that can fraudulently be used hence why the need for revenue inspectors, end of day it should be 2 pound through the government scheme or the concession pass and nothing else in my opinion everyone would have the same ticket regardless of where they were going it would free the resources of the compony to be able.to.offer the revenue inspectors of a driving duty to help cover shifts or if they can't drive a bus as someone pointed out employ them through the driving school, because without a driver a bus doesn't run and no revenue.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 17, 2023 22:28:10 GMT 1
They made them redundant, one guy I know who used to do metro.ticket surveys was offered to either take redundancy or take another post within metro, he decided to.opt.for the latter amd is now working still within metro and has said no longer do they do ticket surveys, and also if we are talking about value, I'd rather pay 2 pounds travel across the country than whatever a day ticket is to stay in one area, so for a tenner you could get to Manchester or even derby on different operators for 2 pound a time That's great if you're having a day out. But most people get the best value ticket for the travel they need to do, not the one that gets them the furthest.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 17, 2023 22:28:39 GMT 1
As I say all this is just my opinion and at the moment the company west yorkshire metro have dangled the carrot to passengers way too easy by offering tickets that can fraudulently be used hence why the need for revenue inspectors, end of day it should be 2 pound through the government scheme or the concession pass and nothing else in my opinion everyone would have the same ticket regardless of where they were going it would free the resources of the compony to be able.to.offer the revenue inspectors of a driving duty to help cover shifts or if they can't drive a bus as someone pointed out employ them through the driving school, because without a driver a bus doesn't run and no revenue. Can you put this in English?
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Post by deerfold on Nov 17, 2023 22:29:46 GMT 1
As I say all this is just my opinion and at the moment the company west yorkshire metro have dangled the carrot to passengers way too easy by offering tickets that can fraudulently be used hence why the need for revenue inspectors, end of day it should be 2 pound through the government scheme or the concession pass and nothing else in my opinion everyone would have the same ticket regardless of where they were going it would free the resources of the compony to be able.to.offer the revenue inspectors of a driving duty to help cover shifts or if they can't drive a bus as someone pointed out employ them through the driving school, because without a driver a bus doesn't run and no revenue. I caught three buses today for £3.30 Why would it be better if that had cost £6? That would have made the car a better bet.
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 22:36:02 GMT 1
Basically the 2 pound scheme is really good, why are first bringing back the inspectors when.no.other company are, I'm a bus driver myself and my company are short of drivers, the country is short of drivers so why would bringing back revenue inspectors help the driver shortage, I'm sure money well spent would be to bring the revenue inspectors onto the road to cover mileage, i think if I personally would let them.on my bus and tell them to take as long as they need to check the tickets, however the later i get the more mileage i would drop, as I say no other BIG company does this anymore
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 22:38:59 GMT 1
The revenue inspectors would be better covering driving duties if they are still short of drivers cos a bus wheels turning is earning revenue where a bus that's stood still isn't
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 17, 2023 23:12:34 GMT 1
The revenue inspectors would be better covering driving duties if they are still short of drivers cos a bus wheels turning is earning revenue where a bus that's stood still isn't Not everyone employed by a bus company has a bus licence. You certainly have a lot to say on the topic! Why should people who evade or pay the incorrect fare get away with it, whilst everyone else pays the correct fare. If First feel fare evasion is a problem, let them employ a team of RPOs. It's inconveniencing no one.
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 17, 2023 23:26:55 GMT 1
I'm not arguing with anyone I do agree I just wondered why it's only first that's starting the rpos and not any other big company but then again first are closing a lot of depots so.maybe they wanting to try and keep revenue, and yes some don't have licenses true, but I do see it as a waste of.money when them.resources could be better spent elsewhere, like running to realistic timetables but as.i say that's just my view I'm not gonna b discussing negative views anymore on this subject, maybe on alternative subjects but not this one
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 0:50:03 GMT 1
A tenner would get you.as far as Berwick upon tweed, so definitely the better value would be the 2 pound flat fare The problem is, while it's ok saying its great value going to Berwick for £10 if you remove Daily (&/or weekly?) tickets you've just made a journey from half of Leeds to St James Hospital or White Rose (or any other place that mostly requires a change in the city centre) an £8 return rather than £4.50
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 18, 2023 1:46:23 GMT 1
If they did a flat fare round the city perimeter of £1 then £2 further out, but what I'm trying to get at is why Isit only first having the rpos,there is other companies as well as first, I can honestly tell you and this is fact that the reason why first did away with them last time was because the card payments and the passes were scanned through the machine which made the rpos redundant, technology has come a long way including the ticket machines so why all of a sudden have they bought the rpos back, its just questions, and why has no other company brought the officers back
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 18, 2023 1:56:49 GMT 1
But nobody seems to be answering as to why no other company has bought the officers back, but in my opinion I do think first bus as a whole is struggling, stagecoach serve a wider area of the UK, I've got 16 years of experience in this industry and I've read recently that first Bridgwater depot in Somerset has closed, a depot in Glasgow closed,both depots in Manchester closed leaving just oldham open, does anyone not think that maybe the reintroducing these officers is too little too late
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Post by WYBS on Nov 18, 2023 2:56:12 GMT 1
No thanks, don't like the assumption of guilt when I'm choosing to travel on your buses instead of my far comfier car, thanks.... that would be my opinion if Worst Bus hadn't already cut all their services in my area.
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Post by kayden11 on Nov 18, 2023 3:01:12 GMT 1
I agree with that, as you say they cutting services back at a time when people need them and then this, and same with someone posted earlier on in the thread too its as though when they get on the bus it makes u feel as though you have instantly done something wrong. Not a pleasant experience
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