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Post by dlspotter on Oct 27, 2022 1:54:03 GMT 1
Making drastic cuts like that only does one thing: gradually loses all remaining passengers. As for terminating it in Seacroft, just one question: Why?, huh?, what?, who?, where?, when?, and cor blimey mother! So it can connect with other Leeds routes rather than struggle on through to Leeds, could have been worse like a connection onto the 49 at Monkswood lol. To be honest, if they haven't got the drivers and are cutting other services regularly to run the X98/9, such as the 36 (it's mostly a half hourly service nowadays in reality) then they'll see those routes lose custom too. Or terminate it at Roundhay so it is still on the existing route, a place people would want to go to, and with high frequency connection onto the 2/12/13?
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Post by joseph on Oct 27, 2022 6:08:19 GMT 1
Another reason for terminating at Seacroft Tesco is Tesco itself, I bet a number living on the X98/9, no matter how snobby they are, go there for their shopping. I know of one person living in a big house half a mile off the X98/9 who goes to the pound shops near Tesco for their supply of e cig refills and coke would you believe. You've also got a significantly better choice of bus services at Seacroft compared to elsewhere, and toilet/seating/indoor facilities should you miss a connecting X98/9 and with good traffic it's not that far from Wetherby Road. People living in Thorpe and East Ardsley are having to make do with a change of bus at White Rose, which is most likely making the 118 more reliable so if it improves reliability then that's a plus factor compared to the current situation where buses are quite often late it seems and journeys are getting pulled from other services to cover the X98/9.
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Post by peteleeds on Oct 27, 2022 13:51:35 GMT 1
Another reason for terminating at Seacroft Tesco is Tesco itself, I bet a number living on the X98/9, no matter how snobby they are, go there for their shopping. I know of one person living in a big house half a mile off the X98/9 who goes to the pound shops near Tesco for their supply of e cig refills and coke would you believe. You've also got a significantly better choice of bus services at Seacroft compared to elsewhere, and toilet/seating/indoor facilities should you miss a connecting X98/9 and with good traffic it's not that far from Wetherby Road. People living in Thorpe and East Ardsley are having to make do with a change of bus at White Rose, which is most likely making the 118 more reliable so if it improves reliability then that's a plus factor compared to the current situation where buses are quite often late it seems and journeys are getting pulled from other services to cover the X98/9. Slightly off topic but the east ardsley and Thorpe customers also have a first leeds option to leeds where as the options mentioned curtail services so they don't serve leeds. Cutting leeds altogether would be a big mistake
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 15:26:05 GMT 1
Another reason for terminating at Seacroft Tesco is Tesco itself, I bet a number living on the X98/9, no matter how snobby they are, go there for their shopping. I know of one person living in a big house half a mile off the X98/9 who goes to the pound shops near Tesco for their supply of e cig refills and coke would you believe. You've also got a significantly better choice of bus services at Seacroft compared to elsewhere, and toilet/seating/indoor facilities should you miss a connecting X98/9 and with good traffic it's not that far from Wetherby Road. People living in Thorpe and East Ardsley are having to make do with a change of bus at White Rose, which is most likely making the 118 more reliable so if it improves reliability then that's a plus factor compared to the current situation where buses are quite often late it seems and journeys are getting pulled from other services to cover the X98/9. Whats the likely hood that people who have access to a car (if not 2 or 3) would swap to the bus because it would now serve Tescos? As someone else noted it's not the nicest place to wait around swapping services & while heading towards Leeds would be an easy swap it would be more complicated on the return (unless you had 'official' trips from Leeds that are to connect with them & are shown as such in timetables) Seen as theres still complaints over the 118s reliability (alongside almost every other Arriva route) i don't think its been the magic fix Arriva hoped for.
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Post by leeds rider on Nov 7, 2022 19:38:20 GMT 1
Looks like the data from the first few weeks or so of operating have been absorbed and analysed, as there's a timetable variation "To improve reliability and punctuality" registered from 20th November, to coincide with operation moving to Harrogate.
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 7, 2022 22:34:30 GMT 1
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Post by peteleeds on Nov 7, 2022 23:04:46 GMT 1
Station D is the name of the stop they use on boar lane by park plaza hotel
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 8, 2022 18:43:11 GMT 1
Station D is the name of the stop they use on boar lane by park plaza hotel Yes but the current timetable says City Square so its a correction change to that.
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Post by leeds rider on Nov 9, 2022 13:12:11 GMT 1
Station D is the name of the stop they use on boar lane by park plaza hotel Yes but the current timetable says City Square so its a correction change to that. "Leeds rail station stand D" is a slightly misleading description as it's not actually in front of the station - suggests it's been compiled by someone who doesn't actually understand the geography of the area. "Leeds Boar Lane stop Station D" would be better. And there's an error on the Saturday Wetherby-Leeds daytime every 30 minutes section, where both services are marked up as X99!
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Post by lucyp on Nov 9, 2022 17:26:55 GMT 1
So their solution is to make the service even slower than it already is, and not to serve the railway station on the inbound journey from Wetherby.
It simply proves that they don't understand their customers. People use it to connect with trains, as much as to go into Leeds, and far more than to connect with another bus. The route is so slow now that at peak times it is quicker to alight at Oakwood Clock and take a First bus because they use Roundhay Road and North Street and avoid the roundabout at the bottom of Roseville Road nightmare that I have mentioned countless times.
They have produced a survey which includes such deluded gems as - should the X99 serve Deighton Bar during the day - which will extend the turnaround times even more, making the service even less frequent than it's current 1 hour frequency.
Also included are - are the buses clean? They must know that they are not, because there is no cleaner at Wetherby or Leeds, so it doesn't get cleaned all day.
And - how friendly are our drivers? Who cares when the driver gets lost, even though another staff member is supervising him and takes a route of his own at the bottom of Roundhay Road, that no bus I have ever used has ever taken before, is slower than the approved route, and misses out the advertised stops, all for no good reason.
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 9, 2022 18:20:54 GMT 1
Yes but the current timetable says City Square so its a correction change to that. "Leeds rail station stand D" is a slightly misleading description as it's not actually in front of the station - suggests it's been compiled by someone who doesn't actually understand the geography of the area. "Leeds Boar Lane stop Station D" would be better. And there's an error on the Saturday Wetherby-Leeds daytime every 30 minutes section, where both services are marked up as X99! I have no qualms with it being called station D as Station A-D are the closest 4 stops to the station and are where people would alight for the station. There are no street names on the stop names, so your suggestion is illogical. I think you've been harsh on whoever came up with the stop naming/quadrant ideas.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 9, 2022 18:30:28 GMT 1
So their solution is to make the service even slower than it already is, and not to serve the railway station on the inbound journey from Wetherby. What are you on about? Nothing serves the railway station anymore as the interchange has been closed. City Square/Park Row/Boar Lane is as close as you can get and the X98/X99 are still serving this area
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Post by deerfold on Nov 9, 2022 19:05:57 GMT 1
So their solution is to make the service even slower than it already is, and not to serve the railway station on the inbound journey from Wetherby. You've been complaining about their timekeeping. They're doing something about it, so the timetable is more realistic.
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 9, 2022 19:28:32 GMT 1
They have produced a survey which includes such deluded gems as - should the X99 serve Deighton Bar during the day - which will extend the turnaround times even more, making the service even less frequent than it's current 1 hour frequency. Er.. maybe they are thinking about an extra vehicle which would work quite easily if they change the terminus to Leeds Bus Station so the vehicles have some lay over time and consequently flip between the X98 and X99 during which, shock horror, they could be cleaned. Of course you would still like Connexions Buses to be running the service with no doubt a number of afternoon journeys now being school holidays only.
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 10, 2022 9:53:29 GMT 1
The problem with taking all of a certain individuals comments seriously is their posting history shows an almost perverse hate of the operator with some very strange comments like regarding the vehicles used on the Pateley Bridge service which, aside from the spell when the now disposed of electric solos were used, have always been those which are also used on the 7.
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Post by admin on Nov 10, 2022 22:16:53 GMT 1
This thread has had to be moderated for a 2nd time and multiple posts removed due to them being completely inappropriate.
To echo Burnside’s previous comments, this is a discussion forum which welcomes different views.
The poster in question Lucyp would I feel benefit from more active discussion with other members, and I would encourage them to do this, however none of their posts are breaking the rules.
On the other hand, other members responses have been extremely disrespectful and in breach of the rules, hence them having to be removed. I would advise certain people to not get so wound up by something that they can easily ignore.
I’m keeping the thread open because I feel there are actually some worthwhile discussions happening in between all the rest of it, plus this is also a fairly big recent development in the area so is worthy of its own thread.
Please be respectful of each other.
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 10, 2022 22:43:39 GMT 1
One thing the new timetable does not seem to address is the almost daily issue with the 1536 from Deighton Bar which seems to lose stacks of time at Wetherby bus station alone resulting in a delay to the start of the return journey from Leeds that exceeds the allowances made in the new timetable. Wonders if that is due to the volume of passengers boarding (school related?) or if its down to a delayed driver change.
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Post by nic on Nov 12, 2022 10:01:20 GMT 1
I saw a X99 arriving into Leeds. It was 4 minutes early on Park Row.
For balance I thought id report this.
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Post by 77syk7 on Dec 10, 2022 11:20:28 GMT 1
As there has been much discussion on the forum about this route, I thought I would experience this journey for myself to check it out. Caught the 1714 X99 from Wetherby to Leeds last Thursday (8th Dec). Departed 13 mins late from Wetherby with a reasonable load, as you would expect for a peak time journey. Smooth progression on the route with the bus having more than adequate power for the conditions, all going well until we reached Oakwood Clock. Pace slackened and then by the time we reached Leeds City Centre stationary. I alighted on The Headrow at 1840 - the bus now being officially 33 minutes late. Traffic conditions were horrendous and there was nothing the driver could do about it. However, I must clearly state, these are excellent vehicles to ride in and I bet the passengers who use the 503 between Halifax and Huddersfield would like to have these buses on their route!
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Post by SCH117X on Dec 10, 2022 13:44:13 GMT 1
It is the route in Leeds that is largely causing the issues making it increasingly likely I would think of a shift to the bus station. The same vehicles previous working from Wetherby left on time and having bounced about a bit in timings en route was 3 late at The Headrow where the tracking ceases picking up again with the return setting off 7 late which would indicate traffic issues beteen The Headrow and the terminus given the 10 min dwell time allowed. A further 5 mins were loss by Victoria and then another 4 loss no doubt due to queues on Regent Street for the right turn into Roseville Road which might be part of the reason for the suggestion of running via St James.
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Post by nic on Dec 10, 2022 17:35:41 GMT 1
Given that the Labour lead Leeds City Council are hell bent on pushing the climate change net zero crap and also hell bent on destroying the city centre and making it difficult for anyone to get anywhere near its no wonder the the journey too alot longer to eventually reach the city centre. Probably made up time but then several let down by a council thats been hi-jacked by the climate change bigots and Labour who are neither use nor ornament.
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Post by joseph on Dec 10, 2022 20:34:28 GMT 1
The simple solution is to terminate all journeys on Vicar Lane, then run back in service from Eastgate. For donkeys years this happened (Vicar Lane bus station) with no qualms what so ever from anybody who were all quite happy to catch another bus or walk to the station if needed. You can transfer onto the frequent bus 7 at Vicar Lane for the station (well Boar Lane is close enough) or cross over onto the other side of Vicar Lane for the 201/2/3 254 and 229 services which stop at the back on Aire Street (King Street from January). The walk itself is 10 to 15 minutes for most people, you don't see many people from central and West Beeston as well as Holbeck demanding services 1/65/75 divert closer to the bus station, they just get on with the walk down to Elland Road for the 51/2, walk from Infirmary Street or Asda, or change on lower Dewsbury Road to an Arriva bus lol.
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Post by rwilkes on Dec 10, 2022 20:46:05 GMT 1
Better to keep the service as it is and Leeds Council to put in more bus priority
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 11, 2022 11:57:21 GMT 1
Better to keep the service as it is and Leeds Council to put in more bus priority They are more likely to reduce road space that everyone can use and add a cycle Lane I’m afraid There generally isn’t space for a bus Lane, and a cycle Lane and a normal traffic Lane See also Bradford council on Wakefield Road
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Post by mattb7tl on Dec 11, 2022 16:34:50 GMT 1
Forgot to post this tweet, positive news! Also, I completely forgot about mirrorless cameras... I'm not sure if they can be fitted after the bus has been manufactured but they would be perfect for the X99! Gives drivers just that little bit of wiggle room and it might help with catching up on delays!
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