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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 21, 2022 22:26:15 GMT 1
And Burnham has now levelled with people that a lot of the improvements that he was hoping to bring in are actually subject to funding from central government which doesn’t exist.
I’d probably wait to see how it actually pans out in Greater Manchester first, and if it actually provided any improvement for the travelling public without an excessive burden on the taxpayer
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 22:28:49 GMT 1
Not sure why you think she cannot start the process to begin franchising,Doesn't she have as much power as Burnham who is introducing it in Great Manchester? Frankly i think this Arriva strike (along with the railway) has proved that West Yorks could do with Franchising (alongside other stuff) I do not think franchising would help at all and it would make it worsen for the drivers. There are already strikes by bus drivers in London which has franchising. All that will happen is even lower wage because who ever company can do it for cheaper will win. I Agree there is problems in London,if i was Brabin I would be looking more towards central Europe rather than London,as I've mentioned before on here the problems in both London,West Yorkshire & now even the railways all stem back to the UK being rubbish at funding public transport as a whole.
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 23, 2022 10:53:48 GMT 1
Good morning all,
Superb British weather for all the strikers again.
I`m sure i saw a list of bus companies and their current pay rates on this forum topic and wondered if anyone happened to know how much per hour Globe Holidays were currently paying?.
I may have mis read the list but it seemed that Ross Travel was the lowest rate per hour.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 24, 2022 17:09:02 GMT 1
Welp
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Post by Penfold on Jun 24, 2022 23:11:50 GMT 1
Welp ...but the company have not come back with a date for further talks ! ...and before the ammended updated version they dated the update with a 'in the future' date ! penfold
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 25, 2022 8:00:13 GMT 1
Welp ...but the company have not come back with a date for further talks ! ...and before the ammended updated version they dated the update with a 'in the future' date ! penfold When I saw it, it made me think if that was meant to have been released on Sunday, then around half hour later it date changed 🤣 Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 5:12:20 GMT 1
I think it’s safe to say that following the strike there will be some hefty service cuts and possibly even a garage closure
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Post by WYBS on Jun 29, 2022 12:39:39 GMT 1
I think it’s safe to say that following the strike there will be some hefty service cuts and possibly even a garage closure Objection hearsay. Attachments:
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 29, 2022 12:54:07 GMT 1
I think it’s safe to say that following the strike there will be some hefty service cuts and possibly even a garage closure 2 things wrong with the post; A) it's a scare-mongering rumour and B) it's completely tactless considering there's drivers on the forum who actually work for Arriva and to post that will destroy their morale.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 13:05:30 GMT 1
I think it’s safe to say that following the strike there will be some hefty service cuts and possibly even a garage closure 2 things wrong with the post; A) it's a scare-mongering rumour and B) it's completely tactless considering there's drivers on the forum who actually work for Arriva and to post that will destroy their morale. To be fair with or without the strikes,it's highly likely that further cuts was coming anyway & the strikes won't of helped things on that front - I think everyone (drivers included) could of guessed that.
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Post by rst1987 on Jun 29, 2022 15:24:37 GMT 1
There are planned service cuts anyway this autumn even there wasn't a strike, as government funding for covid comes to an end in October.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 21:27:54 GMT 1
2 things wrong with the post; A) it's a scare-mongering rumour and B) it's completely tactless considering there's drivers on the forum who actually work for Arriva and to post that will destroy their morale. To be fair with or without the strikes,it's highly likely that further cuts was coming anyway & the strikes won't of helped things on that front - I think everyone (drivers included) could of guessed that. I think a dose of reality needs to ensue! The losses being racked up by Arriva on an already marginal business at best, are not sustainable. Wether or not there are drivers on here is irrelevant stating what is likely to happen considering the multitude of whammies coming with ending of funding, fare caps by a mayor out of her depth in such issues, loss of ridership due to the strikes, drivers leaving for other jobs (exacerbating an already known about shortage of staff) it doesn’t take a genius to read tea leaves to see it is going to lead rationalisations.
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Post by leeds rider on Jun 30, 2022 8:36:09 GMT 1
I've seen several people now referring to the mayoral price cap reducing bus companies' income, which I don't quite understand. If anything, I'd expect it to have the reverse effect by encouraging more people to use buses, so increasing revenue. Can someone explain, please?
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 30, 2022 12:34:36 GMT 1
I've seen several people now referring to the mayoral price cap reducing bus companies' income, which I don't quite understand. If anything, I'd expect it to have the reverse effect by encouraging more people to use buses, so increasing revenue. Can someone explain, please? Doesn't most of the income from bus companies come from subsidies anyway?
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Post by deerfold on Jun 30, 2022 12:36:57 GMT 1
I've seen several people now referring to the mayoral price cap reducing bus companies' income, which I don't quite understand. If anything, I'd expect it to have the reverse effect by encouraging more people to use buses, so increasing revenue. Can someone explain, please? Doesn't most of the income from bus companies come from subsidiaries anyway? Subsidiaries?
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 30, 2022 12:40:41 GMT 1
Doesn't most of the income from bus companies come from subsidiaries anyway? Subsidiaries? Corrected the word
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 12:44:18 GMT 1
I've seen several people now referring to the mayoral price cap reducing bus companies' income, which I don't quite understand. If anything, I'd expect it to have the reverse effect by encouraging more people to use buses, so increasing revenue. Can someone explain, please? I Think the argument is that the price cap won't encourage enough people to cover the difference on its own (what i also believe) - the £2 Single/£4.50 day is upto about 25% cheaper than currently,add in passenger numbers on average are only at about 75% of pre-covid then you'd be looking at needing a 50% rise in passenger number,what i think most people doubt a price cap can do alone. I Just see it as a good first step,but it needs other improvements/funding to the network to get passenger numbers up.
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Post by cwr507y on Jun 30, 2022 13:21:40 GMT 1
The big question is will the pulsars that went to Leicester will come back now?
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Post by guyarab on Jun 30, 2022 13:51:46 GMT 1
The big question is will the pulsars that went to Leicester will come back now? Which Pulsars went to Leicester and when? Looks like I’ve missed something here.
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Post by guyarab on Jun 30, 2022 14:05:40 GMT 1
I think it’s safe to say that following the strike there will be some hefty service cuts and possibly even a garage closure 2 things wrong with the post; A) it's a scare-mongering rumour and B) it's completely tactless considering there's drivers on the forum who actually work for Arriva and to post that will destroy their morale. A) It might be rumour just now, but I would say it is inevitable. Strikes and their outcome never benefit the customer, in this case, the passenger. It is not scare-mongering. B) This is a forum whereby opinions are expressed, tactless or otherwise and are often countered. Any drivers on here should accept that, but I don’t accept it will alter their morale; they must already be aware that there will be a cost to pay from any resolution.
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Post by Penfold on Jun 30, 2022 14:23:18 GMT 1
The big question is will the pulsars that went to Leicester will come back now? Which Pulsars went to Leicester and when? Looks like I’ve missed something here. 1456/8/60/3/4 went just over 2 weeks ago. Penfold
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Post by selbybus on Jun 30, 2022 14:44:51 GMT 1
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Post by leeds rider on Jun 30, 2022 16:30:16 GMT 1
I've seen several people now referring to the mayoral price cap reducing bus companies' income, which I don't quite understand. If anything, I'd expect it to have the reverse effect by encouraging more people to use buses, so increasing revenue. Can someone explain, please? I Think the argument is that the price cap won't encourage enough people to cover the difference on its own (what i also believe) - the £2 Single/£4.50 day is upto about 25% cheaper than currently,add in passenger numbers on average are only at about 75% of pre-covid then you'd be looking at needing a 50% rise in passenger number,what i think most people doubt a price cap can do alone. I Just see it as a good first step,but it needs other improvements/funding to the network to get passenger numbers up. But my understanding from what I've read is that there's funding for the price cap - so the obvious presumption is that operators will receive the difference between what would be their full fare and the price cap from that fund. Or at least a decent proportion of it. So it shouldn't take much of an increase in ridership to get a net benefit to operators. Hopefully.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 17:08:33 GMT 1
I Think the argument is that the price cap won't encourage enough people to cover the difference on its own (what i also believe) - the £2 Single/£4.50 day is upto about 25% cheaper than currently,add in passenger numbers on average are only at about 75% of pre-covid then you'd be looking at needing a 50% rise in passenger number,what i think most people doubt a price cap can do alone. I Just see it as a good first step,but it needs other improvements/funding to the network to get passenger numbers up. But my understanding from what I've read is that there's funding for the price cap - so the obvious presumption is that operators will receive the difference between what would be their full fare and the price cap from that fund. Or at least a decent proportion of it. So it shouldn't take much of an increase in ridership to get a net benefit to operators. Hopefully. The price cap funding is coming from the BSIP money,but as W Yorks only got 70Mill from its bid & thats got to cover various other projects in the pipeline i doubt the funding will cover more than a year or 2 (in fact over in Manchester Burnham confirmed he only has funding for a years price cap)
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Post by cwtransportphotos on Jun 30, 2022 19:45:51 GMT 1
The big question is will the pulsars that went to Leicester will come back now? What a completely irrelevant comment..
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