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Post by stephen01 on Jun 14, 2022 12:56:13 GMT 1
yes but could have done with the 118 Jct41 shorts running too to accomodate all the shifts.
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 15, 2022 11:01:31 GMT 1
Great. Even more ridiculous is that they waited until 10.30pm to announce. Another own goal. So, when's the meeting today?
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 15, 2022 16:36:12 GMT 1
Strike's continuing for now as today's talks not well and no deal reached. However, both sides are going to keep talking until a deal's met.
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 16, 2022 17:48:58 GMT 1
Hello, Please can i ask if anyone know`s what the whole position is now with regards the strike?
It staggering just how much fuel i`ve actually used in the car since the 6th of June by trying to help my family who rely on buses to get where they need to be.
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Post by joseph on Jun 16, 2022 19:54:49 GMT 1
Hello, Please can i ask if anyone know`s what the whole position is now with regards the strike? It staggering just how much fuel i`ve actually used in the car since the 6th of June by trying to help my family who rely on buses to get where they need to be. To be honest the best advice would be to find ways of lowering the petrol bill because both sides ain't giving way despite promises of more talks. It's going to be at least a few weeks yet before we see another Arriva wheel turn in normal service, because even if the union reach an agreement, they've still got to spend time balloting members, and I can't see an agreement met soon going by the mood of the last talks. The union mean business, and Arriva ain't bothered about toughing it out otherwise you'd see more give from both sides by now.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 16, 2022 20:18:35 GMT 1
Hello, Please can i ask if anyone know`s what the whole position is now with regards the strike? It staggering just how much fuel i`ve actually used in the car since the 6th of June by trying to help my family who rely on buses to get where they need to be. To be honest the best advice would be to find ways of lowering the petrol bill because both sides ain't giving way despite promises of more talks. It's going to be at least a few weeks yet before we see another Arriva wheel turn in normal service, because even if the union reach an agreement, they've still got to spend time balloting members, and I can't see an agreement met soon going by the mood of the last talks. The union mean business, and Arriva ain't bothered about toughing it out otherwise you'd see more give from both sides by now. Especially with the same issue brewing over at North West too
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Post by westriding on Jun 17, 2022 13:38:41 GMT 1
Those of us involved with local railways will remember the 2002 strikes following Arriva Trains Northern offer of a 0% pay award. Arriva continue to fail to recognise the efforts of their employees then.
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Post by solo on Jun 18, 2022 10:39:36 GMT 1
Technical question. I can leave my car for a couple of weeks at an Airport parking for example and drive straight off on return. If an agreement was reached between Arriva and Unite for an immediate return, would this be possible or would there be a delay for safety checks on parked up buses?
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 10:49:15 GMT 1
Technical question. I can leave my car for a couple of weeks at an Airport parking for example and drive straight off on return. If an agreement was reached between Arriva and Unite for an immediate return, would this be possible or would there be a delay for safety checks on parked up buses? it would be dependant on what happens with pre-start checks. Arriva are asking for the drivers to return but the strikers are drivers AND engineering. Also dont forget across all 5 depots there's been buses stood stationary in the recent hot spells so may not perform as well.
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Post by solo on Jun 18, 2022 10:57:04 GMT 1
Thanks. I think the relevant part is that the Engineering staff are also on strike so no scheduled routine maintenance is being done
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 10:59:09 GMT 1
Thanks. I think the relevant part is that the Engineering staff are also on strike so no scheduled routine maintenance is being done exactly hence why only very limited school services re-instated this week
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Post by solo on Jun 18, 2022 11:07:58 GMT 1
Thanks. I think the relevant part is that the Engineering staff are also on strike so no scheduled routine maintenance is being done exactly hence why only very limited school services re-instated this week Who is driving the school services? Inside staff or non union drivers?
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 11:28:45 GMT 1
exactly hence why only very limited school services re-instated this week Who is driving the school services? Inside staff or non union drivers? it will more than likely be GMB union drivers which makes sense for the school routes Dewsbury & Hecky run coming back to use but Dewsbury are covering WA1 atm and Dewsbury & Hecky have a good few drivers in GMB.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 12:07:00 GMT 1
Unite have issued a statement on Twitter saying next round of talks will be Monday (20th June) and they wont be releasing any more statements until after the talks have concluded.
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Post by twy7 on Jun 18, 2022 13:42:14 GMT 1
I am not saying they should not get a rise because I think every one should because of inflation but I worry when they do pay up what this will mean for the service and will we see more cut. I think arriva will find difficult to increase fare in west yorkshire with what mayor brabin has said so they can get no extra money to pay more or could I miss some thing? Have they got back to the normal level of passenger now does any one know?
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 14:17:14 GMT 1
I am not saying they should not get a rise because I think every one should because of inflation but I worry when they do pay up what this will mean for the service and will we see more cut. I think arriva will find difficult to increase fare in west yorkshire with what mayor brabin has said so they can get no extra money to pay more or could I miss some thing? Have they got back to the normal level of passenger now does any one know? nope as before for the strikes majority of routes were Monday-Friday standard and weekends were running as Sunday timetables on temporary basis plus it will depend on how many people gone through training school before and during strike. They can't increase fares really as the Mayor standard fare come in to play in September so in a way the only depot area to see an increase will be Selby on 8, 42, 64, 415, 401, 405 and 408/409 as soon as the leave WY boundary.
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 18, 2022 15:19:54 GMT 1
Hello to all,
I`ve been looking at some photo`s recently of all the people at the 5 different depots who are striking and i just wondered if they ever got really bored of just sitting or standing there for hours and hours?. Also how do they go on about food and drinks and use of toilets?.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jun 18, 2022 15:29:11 GMT 1
Think there will a management restructure once this strike is over
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Post by joseph on Jun 18, 2022 16:04:24 GMT 1
So, fares won't rise thanks to Brabin the clueless, shareholders quite rightly won't take a hit on returns, that can only mean wages are funded through route productivity, if it makes high profits, it's kept, if it doesn't hit the new higher profit margin then it's axed, that's clearly what will fund these wage rises so expect big cuts.
To be blunt, Brabin was rubbish at acting, rubbish as an MP (Batley, especially nearer the station, is a pit, no proper commercial investment, poor town centre, blaiming it all on Leeds eating up the money etc) and hasn't a clue when it comes to this whole cheap fares lark. She has zero power what so ever on what routes are set, what frequencies etc, and will need to do a lot of very expensive stuff to push through franchising, so what's the point in having her in charge of transport for WYCA, she'll only make things 10 times worse! She moans that fares are too high, in my opinion, fares were ok before, people don't complain about spending a fiver on a pint, but complain that an all day go anywhere in West Yorkshire ticket is a fiver! If she hadn't have butted in with these fare restrictions, there might have been enough money to fund the pay rises through a subtle fare increase of say 30p per fare, instead we'll see cuts to maximise use of vehicles and routes more profitable such as the 106 cut to half hourly, 110 to every 20 mins and so on.
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Post by twy7 on Jun 18, 2022 16:38:16 GMT 1
So, fares won't rise thanks to Brabin the clueless, shareholders quite rightly won't take a hit on returns, that can only mean wages are funded through route productivity, if it makes high profits, it's kept, if it doesn't hit the new higher profit margin then it's axed, that's clearly what will fund these wage rises so expect big cuts. To be blunt, Brabin was rubbish at acting, rubbish as an MP (Batley, especially nearer the station, is a pit, no proper commercial investment, poor town centre, blaiming it all on Leeds eating up the money etc) and hasn't a clue when it comes to this whole cheap fares lark. She has zero power what so ever on what routes are set, what frequencies etc, and will need to do a lot of very expensive stuff to push through franchising, so what's the point in having her in charge of transport for WYCA, she'll only make things 10 times worse! She moans that fares are too high, in my opinion, fares were ok before, people don't complain about spending a fiver on a pint, but complain that an all day go anywhere in West Yorkshire ticket is a fiver! If she hadn't have butted in with these fare restrictions, there might have been enough money to fund the pay rises through a subtle fare increase of say 30p per fare, instead we'll see cuts to maximise use of vehicles and routes more profitable such as the 106 cut to half hourly, 110 to every 20 mins and so on. Thank you for reply joseph this is what I am fear will happen
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Post by twy7 on Jun 18, 2022 16:39:42 GMT 1
Think there will a management restructure once this strike is over Yes and getting management in who actually care about their staff and the staffs wellbeing. Sorry to ask but I do not understand what this is to mean. Why is it they do not care about well being and is it just because of pay?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 16:53:45 GMT 1
So, fares won't rise thanks to Brabin the clueless, shareholders quite rightly won't take a hit on returns, that can only mean wages are funded through route productivity, if it makes high profits, it's kept, if it doesn't hit the new higher profit margin then it's axed, that's clearly what will fund these wage rises so expect big cuts. To be blunt, Brabin was rubbish at acting, rubbish as an MP (Batley, especially nearer the station, is a pit, no proper commercial investment, poor town centre, blaiming it all on Leeds eating up the money etc) and hasn't a clue when it comes to this whole cheap fares lark. She has zero power what so ever on what routes are set, what frequencies etc, and will need to do a lot of very expensive stuff to push through franchising, so what's the point in having her in charge of transport for WYCA, she'll only make things 10 times worse! She moans that fares are too high, in my opinion, fares were ok before, people don't complain about spending a fiver on a pint, but complain that an all day go anywhere in West Yorkshire ticket is a fiver! If she hadn't have butted in with these fare restrictions, there might have been enough money to fund the pay rises through a subtle fare increase of say 30p per fare, instead we'll see cuts to maximise use of vehicles and routes more profitable such as the 106 cut to half hourly, 110 to every 20 mins and so on. Comparing a bus ticket to a pint doesn't hold up,as using a bus bus isn't a choice for many plus as we are wanting people to use the bus more & drink less,your comparing opposites. I Dont think its fair to blame Brabin,when the root cause of it is the UK in general are rubbish at properly funding public transport. She's used what is available to her to encourage bus use (whilst more needs to be looked at than just fares,its a start) but it wasn't her that cut the 'Bus Improvement Plan' funding,meaning WY got less & alot of areas got nothing plus the Covid grants are due to run out in the autumn. As passenger numbers are still to fully recover i doubt 30p per fare would of been enough to cover both a wage increase,plus return routes to profitability so theres no further cutbacks (tbh i think the wage increase Arriva offered was decent,but then again Unite are never happy)
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 18, 2022 19:05:10 GMT 1
Hello to all, I`ve been looking at some photo`s recently of all the people at the 5 different depots who are striking and i just wondered if they ever got really bored of just sitting or standing there for hours and hours?. Also how do they go on about food and drinks and use of toilets?. At Heckmondwike, we had two bbq's (1 x Charcoal, 1 x gas) on the go, 2 camping stoves (for hot drinks, and hot dogs), a gazebo for shade, 2 cool boxes stocked with pop/bottled water/milk (which staff donated as and when required), Union provided the bacon/sausages/burgers/Charcoal which we got from either Morrisons or a local food company in the next street to Heckmondwike depot (who on first day of strike donated box of burgers, free of charge), taxi drivers dropped off two large boxes of biscuits (1 box was sent down to Dewsbury), another taxi driver dropped off 5 boxes of Cornetto's, toilets we nipped into Morrisons, and then got any of the things we needed above. Was running low on gas, had whipround, got enough for 3 bottles of gas. The newbies have been engaging with the older end, better during the strike, so the atmosphere has been a lot more fun than monotonous, all we really need now down at Heckmondwike, is a few tonne of sand, unfortunately, that'll have to wait 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by solo on Jun 18, 2022 19:44:03 GMT 1
Hello to all, I`ve been looking at some photo`s recently of all the people at the 5 different depots who are striking and i just wondered if they ever got really bored of just sitting or standing there for hours and hours?. Also how do they go on about food and drinks and use of toilets?. At Heckmondwike, we had two bbq's (1 x Charcoal, 1 x gas) on the go, 2 camping stoves (for hot drinks, and hot dogs), a gazebo for shade, 2 cool boxes stocked with pop/bottled water/milk (which staff donated as and when required), Union provided the bacon/sausages/burgers/Charcoal which we got from either Morrisons or a local food company in the next street to Heckmondwike depot (who on first day of strike donated box of burgers, free of charge), taxi drivers dropped off two large boxes of biscuits (1 box was sent down to Dewsbury), another taxi driver dropped off 5 boxes of Cornetto's, toilets we nipped into Morrisons, and then got any of the things we needed above. Was running low on gas, had whipround, got enough for 3 bottles of gas. The newbies have been engaging with the older end, better during the strike, so the atmosphere has been a lot more fun than monotonous, all we really need now down at Heckmondwike, is a few tonne of sand, unfortunately, that'll have to wait 🤣🤣🤣 What’s been the publics response?
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 18, 2022 20:03:49 GMT 1
At Heckmondwike, we had two bbq's (1 x Charcoal, 1 x gas) on the go, 2 camping stoves (for hot drinks, and hot dogs), a gazebo for shade, 2 cool boxes stocked with pop/bottled water/milk (which staff donated as and when required), Union provided the bacon/sausages/burgers/Charcoal which we got from either Morrisons or a local food company in the next street to Heckmondwike depot (who on first day of strike donated box of burgers, free of charge), taxi drivers dropped off two large boxes of biscuits (1 box was sent down to Dewsbury), another taxi driver dropped off 5 boxes of Cornetto's, toilets we nipped into Morrisons, and then got any of the things we needed above. Was running low on gas, had whipround, got enough for 3 bottles of gas. The newbies have been engaging with the older end, better during the strike, so the atmosphere has been a lot more fun than monotonous, all we really need now down at Heckmondwike, is a few tonne of sand, unfortunately, that'll have to wait 🤣🤣🤣 What’s been the publics response? 50/50
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