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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 7:40:26 GMT 1
How about the "Huddersfax Bus Company" hehe sorry couldn't resist A shame they don't go to Cleckheaton so we could have the Cleckhuddersfax bus company. If they were to run local services in the area we could have the Cleckheckmondsedge Bus Compny
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Apr 17, 2021 8:41:47 GMT 1
How about Calder & Hebble buses
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 17, 2021 11:00:09 GMT 1
In keeping with the non bus company brands I would suspect simply Tiger aka the lack of Yorkshire in Coastliner these days.
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Post by BusmanBry on Apr 17, 2021 20:01:33 GMT 1
Hello to everyone on here, I`m hoping that you and your families are all well and managing to enjoy the good weather...
So with regards to the Transdev buying of Yorkshire Tiger from Arriva Yorkshire i was simply wondering if there was a possibility of the new venture being called Transdev Tiger so as to incorporate both the new company whilst still retaining a part of the original company?.
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Post by steviewevie on Apr 18, 2021 8:20:01 GMT 1
Transdev Blazefield don't seem to call anything 'Transdev.......' so I would suspect 'Transdev Tiger' is out of the question. I'm going with Huddersfield Bus Co and Halifax Bus Co. This fits with Burnley Bus Co etc.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 18, 2021 17:46:58 GMT 1
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Post by driver6540 on Apr 18, 2021 21:19:15 GMT 1
Unexpected news maybe, but i for one ain't getting over excited. Arriva knew exactly what they were doing selling Tiger to Transdev. The Waterloo depot in Huddersfield has been a lame duck ever since Tracky sold out to Stagecoach, Centrebus holdings couldn't turn it around and neither has Arriva. Maybe they can revitalise Halifax area services from the Elland depot, that i wouldn't know. But as for Huddersfield i think they've no chance. The problem is Tiger's core routes serve the South Kirklees/Dearne valley areas which as any Huddersfield resident know's are affluent little towns/villages with high levels of car ownership and easy access to the Penistone line rail services, which can be cheaper and quicker than the bus service. As for First (the dominant operator in West Yorkshire) being even remotely concerned by this takeover, i find the idea laughable. Doe's anyone actually think that if First actually sniffed any profit in the routes that Tiger (and its predecessors) in Kirklees run , they wouldn't have been in there and blown them out of the water. Sorry to say it, but i reckon in a few years Waterloo depot wont exist it'll probably be an electrical warehouse or worst still a fancy gymnasium like so many other once busy bus depots. All that said, I would like to be proved wrong though!
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 18, 2021 21:28:48 GMT 1
Unexpected news maybe, but i for one ain't getting over excited. Arriva knew exactly what they were doing selling Tiger to Transdev. The Waterloo depot in Huddersfield has been a lame duck ever since Tracky sold out to Stagecoach, Centrebus holdings couldn't turn it around and neither has Arriva. Maybe they can revitalise Halifax area services from the Elland depot, that i wouldn't know. But as for Huddersfield i think they've no chance. The problem is Tiger's core routes serve the South Kirklees/Dearne valley areas which as any Huddersfield resident know's are affluent little towns/villages with high levels of car ownership and easy access to the Penistone line rail services, which can be cheaper and quicker than the bus service. As for First (the dominant operator in West Yorkshire) being even remotely concerned by this takeover, i find the idea laughable. Doe's anyone actually think that if First actually sniffed any profit in the routes that Tiger (and its predecessors) in Kirklees run , they wouldn't have been in there and blown them out of the water. Sorry to say it, but i reckon in a few years Waterloo depot wont exist it'll probably be an electrical warehouse or worst still a fancy gymnasium like so many other once busy bus depots. All that said, I would like to be proved wrong though! The Centrebus holdings period was still involving Arriva but at the time it was split 60/40 with Centrebus Holdings running 60% and Arriva 40%. The problem is with Tiger since it was set up when Arriva took full control is that far too much emphasis has been put on the Calderdale routes and the Leeds routes (when they still ran). Yes they initally set up branding for the "staple" routes and the Kirkless side of stuff started to suffer and become neglected. As for the Barnsley operations that was ill-fated from start to finish as that barely lasted.
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Post by dlspotter on Apr 18, 2021 21:50:54 GMT 1
Transdev have done quite well getting people out of cars and onto buses in the past, the 36 being a great example of this happening. However I do understand the point being made here. I find the potential closure of Waterloo depot quite unlikely however. There are still kids that need to get to school and college, elderly people in the villages that would appreciate being able to go out without taking a car as well.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 18, 2021 23:01:05 GMT 1
The Huddersfield operations have been in decline for years. In 2015 the PVR of Waterloo and Honley was 45
In 2018 when the depots merged it was 33, but since then they've lost the 933 and the DTB & Arriva have taken what was the 262 and they have withdrawn the 301
Once Arriva take the 231/232 and all the various covid school dupes are withdrawn, the Waterloo PVR will be no more than around 20 buses
And I'm not entirely sure how secure a lot of that is considering they came off the 319/324 during the third lockdown leaving First to have a monopoly on those routes and the 83/83/303/FTB are tenders
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 18, 2021 23:06:41 GMT 1
The Huddersfield operations have been in decline for years. In 2015 the PVR of Waterloo and Honley was 45 In 2018 when the depots merged it was 33, but since then they've lost the 933 and the DTB & Arriva have taken what was the 262 and they have withdrawn the 301 Once Arriva take the 231/232 and all the various covid school dupes are withdrawn, the Waterloo PVR will be no more than around 20 buses You've forgotten 241, 341, 377 & 378, 900 & 901 and 911. And prior to becoming Tiger when things were still under Centrebus they also lost the 951 to Glossop.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 18, 2021 23:11:50 GMT 1
The Huddersfield operations have been in decline for years. In 2015 the PVR of Waterloo and Honley was 45 In 2018 when the depots merged it was 33, but since then they've lost the 933 and the DTB & Arriva have taken what was the 262 and they have withdrawn the 301 Once Arriva take the 231/232 and all the various covid school dupes are withdrawn, the Waterloo PVR will be no more than around 20 buses You've forgotten 241, 341, 377 & 378, 900 & 901 and 911. And prior to becoming Tiger when things were still under Centrebus they also lost the 951 to Glossop. That was all before 2018, if you're going back that far there was also the 317 and the 366
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 18, 2021 23:16:49 GMT 1
You've forgotten 241, 341, 377 & 378, 900 & 901 and 911. And prior to becoming Tiger when things were still under Centrebus they also lost the 951 to Glossop. That was all before 2018, if you're going back that far there was also the 317 and the 366 366 got withdrawn beginning of 2018 or in the December 17 changes. 317 was lost at the same time as the others although they did gain 911 back briefly before Stotts got it.
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Post by peter44 on Apr 19, 2021 14:03:56 GMT 1
Of course, there's nothing to say Transdev won't win back a lot of the contracts lost over the last couple years when they next come up for renewal! But it certainly seems that the operation is very much at the mercy of gaining or indeed losing contracted services.
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Post by 77syk7 on Apr 20, 2021 16:18:31 GMT 1
I am looking forward to see what improvements Transdev make to the networks in Calderdale. There is a wide variety of routes from the short frequent town routes in Halifax (ex-HJC), long established rural services (eg 561/2) to interurban trans-county to Rochdale. Maybe we will see the whole network revamped with new buses like they are about to launch with 'Ribble and Country' in a couple of weeks. I do think they need a new name and it is not easy to think of one which has not been previously used. The best one I can come up with is something like 'Hebble and Colne' after the 2 minor rivers running through Halifax and Huddersfield respectively.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 20, 2021 20:53:56 GMT 1
I am looking forward to see what improvements Transdev make to the networks in Calderdale. There is a wide variety of routes from the short frequent town routes in Halifax (ex-HJC), long established rural services (eg 561/2) to interurban trans-county to Rochdale. Maybe we will see the whole network revamped with new buses like they are about to launch with 'Ribble and Country' in a couple of weeks. I do think they need a new name and it is not easy to think of one which has not been previously used. The best one I can come up with is something like 'Hebble and Colne' after the 2 minor rivers running through Halifax and Huddersfield respectively. I wouldn't call the 561/562 long-established. They've only existed as a circular and with those numbers since 2014. They both cross the river Ryburn. The 561 must be one of the most used bus numbers there is for the number of different routes it's been on. Tiger only run 4 buses a week between Halifax and Rochdale.
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 20, 2021 21:30:58 GMT 1
One thing is for sure, Transdev is great at taking on tired brands and routes and revitalising them, so there’s lots to be optimistic about here.
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Post by 77syk7 on Apr 21, 2021 10:28:10 GMT 1
Thanks 'deerfold' for pointing out my errors. I had forgotten that Tiger only run the Halifax - Rochdale on Sundays with First having recently started to run the Mon-Sat journeys. Secondly, I agree the 561/2 is not a long established route being only 7 years old - I think I was trying to point out that the rural areas of Mill Bank, Norland etc have long had a bus link into the larger towns and it will be interesting to see what Transdev do with this route -'The Ryburn Link' however, would be an appropriate name for this service.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 22, 2021 8:48:07 GMT 1
Thanks 'deerfold' for pointing out my errors. I had forgotten that Tiger only run the Halifax - Rochdale on Sundays with First having recently started to run the Mon-Sat journeys. Secondly, I agree the 561/2 is not a long established route being only 7 years old - I think I was trying to point out that the rural areas of Mill Bank, Norland etc have long had a bus link into the larger towns and it will be interesting to see what Transdev do with this route -'The Ryburn Link' however, would be an appropriate name for this service. I am looking forward to seeing what Transdev do in this area - I spent 21 years of my life, on and off, living in Ripponden and (in normal times) still visit by bus fairly regularly. When I left there was a service along the A58 every 20 minutes (30 minutes evenings and Sundays) with healthy services via Barkisland and Mill Bank. It doesn't help that 3 different companies now run the routes (though a decade of particularly poor service in the early 2000s seemed to drive people away from the buses which they're struggling to get back didn't help either). The frequency drop between Sowerby Bridge and Halifax since 2000 is dreadful. I make it at least 19 bph (7 evenings/Sundays) - now just 9 (4.5 evenings, Sundays even worse).
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 22, 2021 14:19:51 GMT 1
The frequency drop between Sowerby Bridge and Halifax since 2000 is dreadful. I make it at least 19 bph (7 evenings/Sundays) - now just 9 (4.5 evenings, Sundays even worse). To be honest, once you get up to much better than a 10-minute frequency then, as long as they are reliable, the main reason to increase service levels further is if more capacity is needed. The service between Sowerby Bridge and Halifax still looks pretty good, as long as it is reliable and does have enough capacity.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 22, 2021 18:30:05 GMT 1
The frequency drop between Sowerby Bridge and Halifax since 2000 is dreadful. I make it at least 19 bph (7 evenings/Sundays) - now just 9 (4.5 evenings, Sundays even worse). To be honest, once you get up to much better than a 10-minute frequency then, as long as they are reliable, the main reason to increase service levels further is if more capacity is needed. The service between Sowerby Bridge and Halifax still looks pretty good, as long as it is reliable and does have enough capacity. It's reduced the frequencies in other directions by quite a bit - and that 9 bph that are left are not at regular intervals (there's quite big gaps evenings and Sundays too). There's 2 main routes to Halifax, with 4 going along Pye Nest Road (every 15 minutes) and 4 Rochdale Road (fairly randomly). There's now a bus every 70 minutes to Ripponden in an evening and every 70 minutes to Sowerby. Both used to be half hourly. Sunday evenings to Ripponden, buses are now every 2 hours, finishing 90 minutes earlier than they used to. At best, they were every 30 minutes.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Apr 23, 2021 17:32:46 GMT 1
To be honest, once you get up to much better than a 10-minute frequency then, as long as they are reliable, the main reason to increase service levels further is if more capacity is needed. The service between Sowerby Bridge and Halifax still looks pretty good, as long as it is reliable and does have enough capacity. It's reduced the frequencies in other directions by quite a bit - and that 9 bph that are left are not at regular intervals (there's quite big gaps evenings and Sundays too). There's 2 main routes to Halifax, with 4 going along Pye Nest Road (every 15 minutes) and 4 Rochdale Road (fairly randomly). There's now a bus every 70 minutes to Ripponden in an evening and every 70 minutes to Sowerby. Both used to be half hourly. Sunday evenings to Ripponden, buses are now every 2 hours, finishing 90 minutes earlier than they used to. At best, they were every 30 minutes. The Sowerby/Ripponden/Rochdale/Commons corridor could easily be made every 10 mins but would mean a 10 10 20 10 10 Frequency for the Sowerby Route (still 4bph) and the Commons/Rochdale service opposite eachother creating every 10 Halifax - Sowerby Bridge then every 30 Halifax - Ripponden then evert hour to Commons or Rochdale. Bit like how the 590/1/2/3/4 used to work in the Calder Valley.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 25, 2021 14:37:28 GMT 1
Wonder what vehicles will go back to Arriva then for that. Perhaps the afore-mentioned Lowlanders.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 25, 2021 14:39:04 GMT 1
I hope Alex Hornby and his team gives the TLC and love Tiger needs, as it's seems a bit neglected to me with it under Arriva I doubt he has the power of give TLC to Tiger, as Transdev do not own TLC.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 25, 2021 14:43:43 GMT 1
This is very good news for Transdev and the customers in Calderdale and Kirklees. Very much welcome and hope they have a vision for growth etc. Be very interesting to see if they start to take First on, on some of the major corridors around the areas. As for the purchase of First I doubt that will now happen at all. If anything what you may get is Transdev increasing services on the corridors and decrease of First presence. Or they fight back and all Transdev does is up the quality of the services provided by First & the fleet that provides the services. All in all it is a very good day for anyone using Transport in and around Calderdale/Kirklees. If anything, should First drop any routes in the area Transdev could register replacement services but hold off from any new battles as such. Transdev never competed with First in Bolton for example.
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