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Post by stephen01 on Apr 15, 2021 12:11:29 GMT 1
Huddersfield Bus Company? Halifax Bus Company? I'm just thinking are those names already owned by TJ Walsh and Centrebus Actually for Huddersfield Bus Company Arriva will own the name when they took full control of operations from Centrebus as it was never soley Centrebus but a joint venture between the two.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 15, 2021 12:11:37 GMT 1
They could just keep Yorkshire Tiger
They kept the Rosso name
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Post by deerfold on Apr 15, 2021 13:24:43 GMT 1
I'm just thinking are those names already owned by TJ Walsh and Centrebus Actually for Huddersfield Bus Company Arriva will own the name when they took full control of operations from Centrebus as it was never soley Centrebus but a joint venture between the two. "Huddersfield Bus Company" is a previous name of Yorkshire Tiger Limited. If Transdev are buying Yorkshire Tiger, why would Arriva retain rights to that name?
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 15, 2021 13:36:01 GMT 1
Actually for Huddersfield Bus Company Arriva will own the name when they took full control of operations from Centrebus as it was never soley Centrebus but a joint venture between the two. "Huddersfield Bus Company" is a previous name of Yorkshire Tiger Limited. If Transdev are buyong Yorkshire Tiger, why would Arriva retain rights to that name? It more than likely will do. The point i was making was about Centrebus owning the name
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Post by steve440 on Apr 15, 2021 15:15:22 GMT 1
Wow, as per the first poster, lets hope they can realise the potential. They've a strong brand but are constantly in a state of flux and have felt like they've just been floating along with no direction for years now. Will be interesting what they do with each part of the business - Commercial (mostly ex-HJC) services in Halifax - Calderdale tenders - Commercial (mostly ex-K Line) services in Huddersfield that mostly compete with First - Mostly commercial South East Huddersfield services such as the 231/232/233 The tenders will stay as they are until they are due for re-tendering. The ex-K Line services in Huddersfield appear to have been ditched by Tiger anyway!
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 15, 2021 15:39:39 GMT 1
Wow, as per the first poster, lets hope they can realise the potential. They've a strong brand but are constantly in a state of flux and have felt like they've just been floating along with no direction for years now. Will be interesting what they do with each part of the business - Commercial (mostly ex-HJC) services in Halifax - Calderdale tenders - Commercial (mostly ex-K Line) services in Huddersfield that mostly compete with First - Mostly commercial South East Huddersfield services such as the 231/232/233 The tenders will stay as they are until they are due for re-tendering. The ex-K Line services in Huddersfield appear to have been ditched by Tiger anyway! the few ex K-line routes only started back this weekend with 231 & 232 moving to Arriva.
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Post by joseph on Apr 15, 2021 17:02:43 GMT 1
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Wakefield to Holmfirth routes, yes they can still be operated as stand alone service with driver changovers in Shepley, but I wonder if Transdev will strike a deal with Arriva to transfer operation of these over to Arriva so it helps with network simplification.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 15, 2021 17:19:32 GMT 1
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Wakefield to Holmfirth routes, yes they can still be operated as stand alone service with driver changovers in Shepley, but I wonder if Transdev will strike a deal with Arriva to transfer operation of these over to Arriva so it helps with network simplification. It could be done as Wakefield Depot operated it when it was 935 (i think) using MPDs. It can be done.
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 15, 2021 17:44:48 GMT 1
This must be making First feel vulnerable. With depots in Bradford, Elland and Huddersfield Transdev could start nibbling at Firsts core business. Reckon they'll welcome it with open arms - hopefully with a view to selling to Transdev
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 15, 2021 18:03:13 GMT 1
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Wakefield to Holmfirth routes, yes they can still be operated as stand alone service with driver changovers in Shepley, but I wonder if Transdev will strike a deal with Arriva to transfer operation of these over to Arriva so it helps with network simplification. More of these services are in Tiger’s territory than in Arriva’s so I don’t see why they keep being singled out as such an issue. One Arriva Bus an hour kicking around Clayton West and Denby Dale and ending up in Holmfirth would be more odd than one Tiger Bus an hour in Wakefield
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Post by twansport on Apr 15, 2021 18:03:48 GMT 1
Competition Commission will be very interested in Yorkshire buses if First indicate a sale to Transdev for Halifax and Hudds.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 15, 2021 18:07:04 GMT 1
Transdev are no more likely to buy First Halifax and Huddersfield today than they were yesterday
In fact they are actually now less likely
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Post by nic on Apr 15, 2021 19:09:03 GMT 1
This is very good news for Transdev and the customers in Calderdale and Kirklees. Very much welcome and hope they have a vision for growth etc. Be very interesting to see if they start to take First on, on some of the major corridors around the areas.
As for the purchase of First I doubt that will now happen at all. If anything what you may get is Transdev increasing services on the corridors and decrease of First presence. Or they fight back and all Transdev does is up the quality of the services provided by First & the fleet that provides the services.
All in all it is a very good day for anyone using Transport in and around Calderdale/Kirklees.
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Post by steviewevie on Apr 15, 2021 19:38:49 GMT 1
West Riding operated the Holmfirth to Wakefield service for years. As far as I am aware it was never part of Waterloos services.
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Post by SF07 on Apr 15, 2021 20:54:45 GMT 1
Statement from Yorkshire Tiger on their website:
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Post by SF07 on Apr 15, 2021 21:10:06 GMT 1
I should imagine that another operator who might be concerned by Transdev's takeover of Yorkshire Tiger would be TLC Travel. The minibus networks around Todmorden, Hebden Bridge and Shipley could be something that fits in with Transdev, acting as feeder services to bigger services, similar to Rawtenstall and Ribble Valley recently, particularly in Shipley with Aireline (60) and Flyer A3 both running through Shipley and the 662 in Bingley/Saltaire.
Having a depot in Elland would have probably made CityZap Leeds-Manchester logistically better, in terms of breakdowns, rather than trying to run it from Burnley. I doubt we'll see a return of that service though. But it does allow Transdev more of an opportunity to link up with other services across the network, such as Rosso in Lancashire and Greater Manchester or with services in Leeds.
The Daytripper ticket will certainly become more of a bargain if Transdev expand its network across West Yorkshire.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 15, 2021 21:33:08 GMT 1
I should imagine that another operator who might be concerned by Transdev's takeover of Yorkshire Tiger would be TLC Travel. The minibus networks around Todmorden, Hebden Bridge and Shipley could be something that fits in with Transdev, acting as feeder services to bigger services, similar to Rawtenstall and Ribble Valley recently, particularly in Shipley with Aireline (60) and Flyer A3 both running through Shipley and the 662 in Bingley/Saltaire. Having a depot in Elland would have probably made CityZap Leeds-Manchester logistically better, in terms of breakdowns, rather than trying to run it from Burnley. I doubt we'll see a return of that service though. But it does allow Transdev more of an opportunity to link up with other services across the network, such as Rosso in Lancashire and Greater Manchester or with services in Leeds. The Daytripper ticket will certainly become more of a bargain if Transdev expand its network across West Yorkshire. I'm gunna say summat so will say i'm crazy for thinking but I think Transdev should also look to buy TLC. People say Tiger's fleet have been rundown for last few years but i'd go as far as to say they're in better shape than TLC's.
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Post by leeds rider on Apr 15, 2021 21:36:27 GMT 1
Huddersfield Bus Company? Halifax Bus Company? Could go either way for me: on the one hand Yorkshire Tiger is already a strong brand, and the livery could be adjusted to the Transdev diagonal split style without too much trouble; on the other hand, they are very much into local identities which would fit with The Halifax Bus Company (orange and green, obviously!) and The Huddersfield Bus Company (red and cream?) much better.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 16, 2021 13:40:28 GMT 1
Personally I can’t see them using those names as quite clearly they aren’t *The* Halifax Bus Company or *The* Huddersfield Bus Company
It’s like if they’d renamed their York operations as The York Bus Company, which would have looked daft when they only run a few services.
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Post by dlspotter on Apr 16, 2021 14:02:12 GMT 1
I'd be more inclined to say something along the lines of Huddersfield/Halifax and Country, maybe not that specifically so could be Calder Country? Something similar for Huddersfield?
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Post by leeds rider on Apr 16, 2021 14:40:34 GMT 1
Personally I can’t see them using those names as quite clearly they aren’t *The* Halifax Bus Company or *The* Huddersfield Bus Company It’s like if they’d renamed their York operations as The York Bus Company, which would have looked daft when they only run a few services. Nor are they *The* Harrogate Bus Company or *The* Burnley Bus Company, yet those are the fleetnames on the buses. Granted they are more dominant in those areas, but still not *The* one and only. But then, as you say, they went for York & Country, and kept Rosso, so who knows?!
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Post by kenh on Apr 16, 2021 15:18:48 GMT 1
Personally I can’t see them using those names as quite clearly they aren’t *The* Halifax Bus Company or *The* Huddersfield Bus Company It’s like if they’d renamed their York operations as The York Bus Company, which would have looked daft when they only run a few services. Nor are they *The* Harrogate Bus Company or *The* Burnley Bus Company, yet those are the fleetnames on the buses. Granted they are more dominant in those areas, but still not *The* one and only. But then, as you say, they went for York & Country, and kept Rosso, so who knows?! Call it the Hebble Bus Company
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Post by deerfold on Apr 16, 2021 19:38:48 GMT 1
Personally I can’t see them using those names as quite clearly they aren’t *The* Halifax Bus Company or *The* Huddersfield Bus Company It’s like if they’d renamed their York operations as The York Bus Company, which would have looked daft when they only run a few services. Walsh weren't "The" Halifax Bus Company, but they used that name for years.
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Post by peteleeds on Apr 16, 2021 19:49:35 GMT 1
How about the "Huddersfax Bus Company" hehe sorry couldn't resist
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Post by deerfold on Apr 16, 2021 21:05:04 GMT 1
How about the "Huddersfax Bus Company" hehe sorry couldn't resist A shame they don't go to Cleckheaton so we could have the Cleckhuddersfax bus company.
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