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Post by dlspotter on Aug 10, 2020 18:23:38 GMT 1
If Bus times is correct apparently the 184 is becoming every 30 minutes from 31st August? I am talking about Pontefract to Castleford BTW, not the 184 that first operate between Manchester and Huddersfield or wherever it is. Surely that's wrong? Because there's no way 2 buses can share a stand at the same time haha. I wonder where bus times get the information from If it were correct then the 187 would also currently run on Sundays too
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 10, 2020 18:32:55 GMT 1
There's some times for the Keighley - Halifax service online. I suspect they're not quite right. bustimes.org/services/502-halifax-keighleyLooks to run hourly from Halifax from 0555 to 1655 or 1725 (I suspect only one of those two will run on any given day). I'd be surprised if there was actually Sunday service and I think that NS and SO services are both showing for every day. It looks to start nice and early. Good to carry on long enough to provide an evening peak service, but a shame there's no late evening service. It will serve Cullingworth. It will also serve all the side roads the current 504 serves, so it's quite a bit slower than the old direct 502. Disappointingly, most hours it looks to run just a couple of minutes off the 67 where the routes are the same. Most hours, both services are due in Keighley at the same time, with the 67 leaving 5 minutes before the 502. Unless of course the 67 is going to see a timetable change. Won't the 67 be resuming its normal timetable at the end of August? The times are Keighley arr xx40 and dep xx30
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Post by deerfold on Aug 10, 2020 18:59:05 GMT 1
Won't the 67 be resuming its normal timetable at the end of August? The times are Keighley arr xx40 and dep xx30 If they do, it'll be a reasonable 25/35 gap out of Keighley but a 55/5 going in.
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Post by SF07 on Aug 10, 2020 20:24:40 GMT 1
Arriva have posted changes on their website. A lot covered from previous posts. Changes are from 31 August 2020: 1 Market Weighton - Holme-on-Spalding-Moor - Bubwith - North Duffield - Selby College - SelbyA new peak-time route between Market Weighton and Selby running on college days only. 2 Selby - Selby College - Camblesforth - Airmyn - Howden - Eastrington - Gilberdyke - NewportA new peak-time route between Newport and Selby running on college days only. 3 Thorne - Moorends - Rawcliffe Bridge - Goole Hospital - Hemingbrough - Cliffe - Osgodby - Selby College - SelbyA new peak-time route between Thorne and Selby running on college days only. 4/X4 Goole - Howden - Hemingbrough - Cliffe - Osgodby - SelbyServices 4 and X4 will no longer run. Unfortunately the number of customers using this route has been in decline for some time, and the service is no longer financially viable. New service 3 will offer a partial replacement, providing Hemingbrough, Cliffe and Osgodby with a morning bus to Selby College and Selby Bus Station, with a return bus in the afternoon. This service will run on Selby College days only. 5 Selby - Staynor HallA new hourly service between Selby and Staynor Hall running Mondays to Saturdays. 6/7 Abbots Road - Selby College - Selby - Selby War Memorial Hospital – Brayton - Thorpe Willoughby - SelbyThese services will no longer run, but there are alternative options for most customers. Between Abbots Road, Selby College, Selby, Selby War Memorial Hospital and Brayton, services 405 and 476 will be coordinated to provide a service generally every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime. Between Thorpe Willoughby and Selby, new services 64 and 164 will be coordinated to provide a service generally every hour Monday to Saturday daytime. 42 York - Cawood - Selby - DraxThe 1635 journey from Selby to Drax on Mondays to Fridays is replaced by new service 2. The 1707 from Drax to Selby on Mondays to Fridays will no longer run. Saturday evening and Sunday journeys between York and Selby which have been funded by the Parish Transport Initiative will no longer run. 64 Selby - Thorpe Willoughby - Hambleton - Monk Fryston - South Milford - Sherburn-in-Elmet - Sherburn Industrial EstateA new service running generally every two-hours Monday to Saturday daytime. Buses will serve Fox Lane and Field Lane in Thorpe Willoughby (replacing services 6/7). The service will coordinate with new route 164 to provide a bus every hour between Selby, Thorpe Willoughby, Hambleton, Monk Fryston, South Milford and Sherburn-in-Elmet. 64s Selby - Thorpe Willoughby - Hambleton - Monk Fryston - Hillam - Brotherton - Byram ParkA new peak-time route between Byram Park and Selby running on college days only. 156/159 Castleford – Airedale – Ferry FrystonA revised timetable will be introduced. 163/166 Castleford – Allerton Bywater – Kippax – Garforth – Colton – Cross Gates – LeedsMinor changes will be introduced to the timetable. 164 Selby - Thorpe Willoughby - Hambleton - Monk Fryston - South Milford - Sherburn-in-Elmet – Micklefield – Garforth – Colton - Cross Gates – LeedsA new service to replace services 402/403. Service 164 will run generally every two-hours Monday to Saturday daytime, with additional peak time journeys between Sherburn-in-Elmet and Leeds, and additional daytime journeys between Garforth and Leeds. Some service 164 journeys, around key shift change times, will additionally call at or extend to Sherburn Industrial Estate. Between Colton and Leeds, service 164 will follow the same route as existing service 163, except in Leeds City Centre where service 164 will serve Leeds City Bus Station instead of the city centre loop. In the opposite direction, service 164 will depart Leeds City Bus Station and additionally call at Vicar Lane and York Street. 167/168 Castleford – Allerton Bywater – Swillington – Woodlesford – Stourton - LeedsA revised timetable will be introduced. 184 Castleford – Airedale – Monkhill - PontefractA new timetable is introduced with some lightly used journeys no longer running. Buses will no longer call in at Gypsy Lane. 187 Wakefield – Woodhouse - Normanton – Cutsyke - Castleford – Airedale – Glasshoughton (Junction 32 Outlet) - PontefractA revised timetable will be introduced. 189 Wakefield – Normanton – Castleford – Mickletown – Oulton – Stourton - LeedsThe 1735 journey on a Saturday from Wakefield to Castleford is extended to Leeds. 202/203 Leeds – White Rose Shopping Centre – Dewsbury – Mirfield – Cooper Bridge - HuddersfieldThe later Friday/Saturday evening journeys will remain suspended for the time being. 400 Selby - Camblesforth - Snaith - Rawcliffe - Airmyn - GooleService 400 will no longer run, with all journeys now run as service 401. Airmyn village will now be served by new service 2 running on Selby College days only. 401 Selby - Camblesforth - Snaith - Rawcliffe - GooleA revised timetable will be introduced. 402/403 Selby – Thorpe Willoughby – Hambleton – South Milford – Sherburn-in-Elmet – Micklefield – Garforth – Colton - Cross Gates – LeedsThis service will be renumbered 164, with a brand new timetable. Buses will continue to run Monday to Saturday daytime, generally every two hours, with additional peak time journeys between Sherburn-in-Elmet and Leeds. 405 Abbots Road – Selby College - Selby – Selby War Memorial Hospital - Brayton – Eggborough – Norton – Askern - DoncasterA completely revised timetable will be introduced. The route will be extended from Selby Bus Station around the Abbots Road loop. In Askern, buses will serve Coniston Road and Eden Drive, no longer calling at the bus stop on Newmarche Drive. All journeys will now serve Sutton. 408/409 Pontefract – Darrington - Norton – Askern - DoncasterA completely revised timetable will be introduced. In Askern, buses will additionally serve Norbreck Road and Coniston Road. 415 York – Designer Outlet – Riccall – Barlby - SelbyA completely revised timetable will be introduced. On Selby College days, one morning journey from York to Selby will extend to Selby College, and one evening journey to York will start from Selby College. The later Friday/Saturday evening journeys will remain suspended for the time being. 476 Abbots Road – Selby College - Selby – Selby War Memorial Hospital - Brayton – Eggborough – Kellington – Beal – Knottingley – Pontefract – Glasshoughton (Junction 32 Outlet)
A completely revised timetable will be introduced, with additional short journeys to/from Brayton. The route will be extended from Selby Bus Station around the Abbots Road loop. All journeys will serve Selby War Memorial Hospital and Westbourne Road. Journeys which terminate at Brayton will serve Moat Way. At the Pontefract end, some journeys will be extended from Pontefract Bus Station to Glasshoughton (Junction 32 Outlet). 493 Sherburn Industrial Estate – Sherburn-in-Elmet – South Milford – Hillam – Brotherton – Byram Park – Knottingley - PontefractThere will be some minor changes made to the timetable. N9 Leeds – Gildersome – Birstall – Batley – Heckmondwike - CleckheatonThis service will remain suspended for the time being. N10 Leeds – Stourton –Lofthouse - Outwood – WakefieldThis service will remain suspended for the time being. X32 Wakefield – Glasshoughton (Junction 32 Outlet)This service will remain suspended for the time being. X60 Castleford – Allerton Bywater – Kippax – LeedsThis service will be restored with timings changed by up to 10 minutes. X45 Doncaster – Askern - Eggborough – Brayton - SelbyThis journey will no longer run. A replacement 405 trip will be provided in its place. www.arrivabus.co.uk/yorkshire/updates/service-changes-in-the-leeds-area/www.arrivabus.co.uk/yorkshire/updates/service-changes-in-the-doncaster-area/www.arrivabus.co.uk/yorkshire/updates/service-changes-in-the-selby-area/www.arrivabus.co.uk/yorkshire/updates/service-changes-in-the-wakefield-area/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 20:35:51 GMT 1
I'm surprised the X32 isn't running, as I am sure it would be popular still, and I heard J32 is quite busy as well.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 10, 2020 20:50:17 GMT 1
I'm surprised the X32 isn't running, as I am sure it would be popular still, and I heard J32 is quite busy as well. X32 was only really popular in half terms anyway, and with people avoiding transport with kids due to having to wear face coverings, not many people would take it
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 10, 2020 21:28:11 GMT 1
I'm surprised the X32 isn't running, as I am sure it would be popular still, and I heard J32 is quite busy as well. Don't forget they've got to monitor all routes carefully at present and liaise with WYCA and all other parties about what routes but remember that can change come September as the DfT want all operations to return to 100% of Pre-covid 19 service levels which at present is a tall and you could say risk/dangerous order as its unknown what Winter will bring.
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 10, 2020 23:28:42 GMT 1
On the 405, 408, 415 and 476, it worries me when they say "a completely new timetable will be introduced", as it sounds like they are hiding the fact that they are making cuts ... we shall see.
Also interesting in the light of the recent DfT announcement that the ongoing Covid support funding will be conditional on routes returning to pre-Covid service levels by September. Presumably that will be on a route-by-route basis rather than requiring all of an operator's routes to be back to full strength, or else for the sake of 100 miles a day on the 4/X4 Arriva will have massively shot themselves in the foot. Let's see if they hastily change the Selby—Sherburn—Leeds route back to hourly throughout!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 23:30:33 GMT 1
On the 405, 408, 415 and 476, it worries me when they say "a completely new timetable will be introduced", as it sounds like they are hiding the fact that they are making cuts ... we shall see. Also interesting in the light of the recent DfT announcement that the ongoing Covid support funding will be conditional on routes returning to pre-Covid service levels by September. Presumably that will be on a route-by-route basis rather than requiring all of an operator's routes to be back to full strength, or else for the sake of 100 miles a day on the 4/X4 Arriva will have massively shot themselves in the foot. Let's see if they hastily change the Selby—Sherburn—Leeds route back to hourly throughout! I reckon the 408 are going to interwork with the 405, hence the new timetable will be introduced meaning. But like you said, we will wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 23:38:53 GMT 1
On another note where the heck is Woodhouse on the 187? I thought Woodhouse was in Leeds? Am I missing something lol? Never noticed a woodhouse when I've been on the route?
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 10, 2020 23:40:45 GMT 1
On the 405, 408, 415 and 476, it worries me when they say "a completely new timetable will be introduced", as it sounds like they are hiding the fact that they are making cuts ... we shall see. Also interesting in the light of the recent DfT announcement that the ongoing Covid support funding will be conditional on routes returning to pre-Covid service levels by September. Presumably that will be on a route-by-route basis rather than requiring all of an operator's routes to be back to full strength, or else for the sake of 100 miles a day on the 4/X4 Arriva will have massively shot themselves in the foot. Let's see if they hastily change the Selby—Sherburn—Leeds route back to hourly throughout! 405/408/409 are going to be interworking, at present they are 25/35mins apart so the difference in time will be reduced. 476 is going up to hourly between Selby and one of the local estates. Not sure what they might be changing to 415.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 10, 2020 23:41:12 GMT 1
On another note where the heck is Woodhouse on the 187? I thought Woodhouse was in Leeds? Am I missing something lol? Never noticed a woodhouse when I've been on the route? Woodhouse is the old/formal name for the QED Estate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 23:42:48 GMT 1
On another note where the heck is Woodhouse on the 187? I thought Woodhouse was in Leeds? Am I missing something lol? Never noticed a woodhouse when I've been on the route? Woodhouse is the old/formal name for the QED Estate Ah right okay, I haven't been in Yorkshire for that long, so I have never even heard of it! Thanks.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 11, 2020 2:43:31 GMT 1
Bustimes are claiming from September 1: The 405 will leave Doncaster at :15 past the hour (likely 408/409 departures from Pontefract will still be :50) The 476 will serve Junction 32 three times from Selby and twice to Selby on weekdays, with a journey from Selby College at 16:40 running full route to Pontefract arriving at 18:10 (schooldays only), but will not operate a return journey to Selby
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Post by deerfold on Aug 11, 2020 10:32:39 GMT 1
There's some times for the Keighley - Halifax service online. I suspect they're not quite right. bustimes.org/services/502-halifax-keighleyLooks to run hourly from Halifax from 0555 to 1655 or 1725 (I suspect only one of those two will run on any given day). I'd be surprised if there was actually Sunday service and I think that NS and SO services are both showing for every day. It looks to start nice and early. Good to carry on long enough to provide an evening peak service, but a shame there's no late evening service. It will serve Cullingworth. It will also serve all the side roads the current 504 serves, so it's quite a bit slower than the old direct 502. Disappointingly, most hours it looks to run just a couple of minutes off the 67 where the routes are the same. Most hours, both services are due in Keighley at the same time, with the 67 leaving 5 minutes before the 502. Unless of course the 67 is going to see a timetable change. Times for the 502 have stabilised. No Sunday Service. Monday to Friday from Halifax 0555 hourly to 1355, 1522, 1555, 1725 Monday to Friday from Keighley 0619 (from Denholme) 0650, 0750, 0855 hourly to 1455, 1620, 1700, 1825 Saturday from Halifax 0755 hourly 1655 Saturday from Keighley 0855 hourly to 1755
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 10:43:17 GMT 1
Bustimes are claiming from September 1: The 405 will leave Doncaster at :15 past the hour (likely 408/409 departures from Pontefract will still be :50) The 476 will serve Junction 32 three times from Selby and twice to Selby on weekdays, with a journey from Selby College at 16:40 running full route to Pontefract arriving at 18:10 (schooldays only), but will not operate a return journey to Selby Looks like the 184 and 187 bus timetables have been updated on bus times. Strange to see the 1622 184 bus has been removed from Pontefract to Castleford, instead it's been moved to 1647, stupid decision imo, as the 1622 relived pressure for the 187, now it's gonna be the other way round. With all of the college kids piling up on to the 187, now instead of the 184. The last bus has moved to 1748 which is interesting and not 1740 like the others? Interesting timetable. Looks like the 187 doesnt interwork with anything. But I can't select the 187 timetable for the 29th August which is a Saturday, has the 187 been cancelled on a Saturday now? Interesting
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 11, 2020 11:53:31 GMT 1
Bustimes are claiming from September 1: The 405 will leave Doncaster at :15 past the hour (likely 408/409 departures from Pontefract will still be :50) The 476 will serve Junction 32 three times from Selby and twice to Selby on weekdays, with a journey from Selby College at 16:40 running full route to Pontefract arriving at 18:10 (schooldays only), but will not operate a return journey to Selby Looks like the 184 and 187 bus timetables have been updated on bus times. Strange to see the 1622 184 bus has been removed from Pontefract to Castleford, instead it's been moved to 1647, stupid decision imo, as the 1622 relived pressure for the 187, now it's gonna be the other way round. With all of the college kids piling up on to the 187, now instead of the 184. The last bus has moved to 1748 which is interesting and not 1740 like the others? Interesting timetable. Looks like the 187 doesnt interwork with anything. But I can't select the 187 timetable for the 29th August which is a Saturday, has the 187 been cancelled on a Saturday now? Interesting Not really, a lot of college kids take the 187 anyway to Castleford to change onto other services, in fact I thought the 184 may have been a bit too early for students to be able to leave NCP and walk into Pontefract to catch the 184
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 12:01:15 GMT 1
Looks like the 184 and 187 bus timetables have been updated on bus times. Strange to see the 1622 184 bus has been removed from Pontefract to Castleford, instead it's been moved to 1647, stupid decision imo, as the 1622 relived pressure for the 187, now it's gonna be the other way round. With all of the college kids piling up on to the 187, now instead of the 184. The last bus has moved to 1748 which is interesting and not 1740 like the others? Interesting timetable. Looks like the 187 doesnt interwork with anything. But I can't select the 187 timetable for the 29th August which is a Saturday, has the 187 been cancelled on a Saturday now? Interesting Not really, a lot of college kids take the 187 anyway to Castleford to change onto other services, in fact I thought the 184 may have been a bit too early for students to be able to leave NCP and walk into Pontefract to catch the 184 1547 wont have no College kids on, as I've took that bus before when it was the 1540 to Castleford, however the 1640 187 Wakefield will even though it hardly had any College kids on when it was the old timetable because there used to be the 1622 to Castleford. It's gonna be interesting to see how many people get the 1640 187 to Wakefield and 1647 to Castleford.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 11, 2020 12:37:56 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Aug 11, 2020 13:44:59 GMT 1
Lots of new times for Tiger in bustimes.org Tiger's 561 and 562 seem to losing their evening services. bustimes.org/services/561-halifax-ripponden-circular-2?date=2020-09-01bustimes.org/services/562-halifax-ripponden-circular?date=2020-09-01On a Sunday the last short trip on the 561 and an early positioning journey from West Vale to Ripponden on the 562 are withdrawn. Copley will have no buses after 1900. Also, the late service from Brighouse to Elland on the 563 at 2255 will become a 1905 service. The 20 to Rye lane will finish an hour earlier. The 21 to Highroad Well loses its increase in peak frequency to 3bph, remaining at 2bph. On a Saturday it goes from 1bp2h to 2bph. The first and last service on the 22 Halifax to Claremount (0625 and 2210) are disappearing. A later 2110 will run on a Sunday. The last short run on the 343 from Halifax to Elland is back. The Saturday service doubles to hourly. The last journey on the 577 is 40 minutes later, but no longer runs between Sowerby and Boulderclough. It's not clear if there will be any evening 579s.
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Post by joseph on Aug 11, 2020 21:20:39 GMT 1
Wetherby, Tadcaster and Sherburn in Elmete, 3 places that will soon be linked together. NYCC are merging the Wetherby Tadcaster and Tadcaster Sherburn routes together from 7th September. Not a bad timetable to be honest, it's on the Metro Covid 19 updates page with the whole route running as 492.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 11, 2020 21:21:08 GMT 1
Most of the new timetables for the Bradford area tlc routes are up on bustimes.org (these may be tbc), times are generally later but mainly altered by only a few minutes.
630 a later last bus from Bradford 23:14
633/634 retimed to run 15 minutes later, but the last bus from Higher Coach Road is WITHDRAWN
660 confirmed as running through to Higher Coach Road on an hourly frequency (incidentally the infrequent trips on 675 from Shipley Marketplace are also shown as still running).
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 11, 2020 22:17:05 GMT 1
Wetherby, Tadcaster and Sherburn in Elmete, 3 places that will soon be linked together. NYCC are merging the Wetherby Tadcaster and Tadcaster Sherburn routes together from 7th September. Not a bad timetable to be honest, it's on the Metro Covid 19 updates page with the whole route running as 492. When they were left with the orphaned 77 between Tadcaster and Wetherby, I never understood why they didn't reinstate the old timetable on the 923, with buses running through from Tadcaster to Otley. It could have been accommodated without needing any extra vehicles, as (as far as I can tell) Connexions don't actually do anything with the bus while it waits in Otley on its long layovers, and then wouldn't have needed NYCC to run a minibus on the 77 at all. Mixed thoughts on the Tadcaster to Sherburn service – for passengers travelling between Tadcaster and Sherburn, it's a reduction from 8 buses a day, hourly, to 5/6 buses a day, every 1½ hours, and the journey time is increasing from 30 minutes to 45 minutes. On the other hand, many of the intermediate villages will actually see a slight increase in the number of services (except Towton, which seems to be losing all services completely) although again slower journeys in some cases. (Looks like there has been a bit of a thingy-up on the timetable, where some buses are allowed 2 minutes to get from Stutton to Tadcaster and others are allowed 12. On the current timetable they are allowed 9, as they are in the reverse direction on the new timetable. As the '2 minute' journeys are followed by a wait of over 10 minutes in Tadcaster, I think they've just typed the arrival time in wrong)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 22:24:00 GMT 1
Seems the 168 and 167 are now at 18 and 48 past the hour during the day I may add. from the end of August and not 22 and 52. I think there is an earlier journey on the 167 leaving at 454am, don't know what it is now. Before Covid 19, did the Featherstone school in the afternoon run all the way to Leeds? Or did it just go to Cas or Ferry Fryston? I could have sworn that Featherstone School run was ran by a bus that came off the 187 and did a Featherstone school run to Ferry Fryston and the bus went NIS from Airedale to Castleford to do the 1613 187 to Wakefield. I could be wrong on that of course. We wait and see if these changes are 100 percent confirmed, but the seem legit to me.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 11, 2020 22:47:09 GMT 1
Seems the 168 and 167 are now at 18 and 48 past the hour during the day I may add. from the end of August and not 22 and 52. I think there is an earlier journey on the 167 leaving at 454am, don't know what it is now. Before Covid 19, did the Featherstone school in the afternoon run all the way to Leeds? Or did it just go to Cas or Ferry Fryston? I could have sworn that Featherstone School run was ran by a bus that came off the 187 and did a Featherstone school run to Ferry Fryston and the bus went NIS from Airedale to Castleford to do the 1613 187 to Wakefield. I could be wrong on that of course. We wait and see if these changes are 100 percent confirmed, but the seem legit to me. I recall there being a full route 168 and 175 from St Wilfs.
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