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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 22:56:21 GMT 1
Seems the 168 and 167 are now at 18 and 48 past the hour during the day I may add. from the end of August and not 22 and 52. I think there is an earlier journey on the 167 leaving at 454am, don't know what it is now. Before Covid 19, did the Featherstone school in the afternoon run all the way to Leeds? Or did it just go to Cas or Ferry Fryston? I could have sworn that Featherstone School run was ran by a bus that came off the 187 and did a Featherstone school run to Ferry Fryston and the bus went NIS from Airedale to Castleford to do the 1613 187 to Wakefield. I could be wrong on that of course. We wait and see if these changes are 100 percent confirmed, but the seem legit to me. I recall there being a full route 168 and 175 from St Wilfs. Looks like the 167/184 won't be interworking with each other any longer with these new timetables if they are true, because the turnaround time in the 167 case for the 184 would mean the 184 would be late coming out of Castleford Bus Station.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 11, 2020 23:12:37 GMT 1
I recall there being a full route 168 and 175 from St Wilfs. Looks like the 167/184 won't be interworking with each other any longer with these new timetables if they are true, because the turnaround time in the 167 case for the 184 would mean the 184 would be late coming out of Castleford Bus Station. Now you've mentioned turnaround times, given the 187 looks to be self-interworking, it has a 5 minute layover in Pontefract on most journeys, but the last one only has a 1 minute layover. I know there's no driver change there, but if it's the case it's bound to be late.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 23:16:42 GMT 1
Looks like the 167/184 won't be interworking with each other any longer with these new timetables if they are true, because the turnaround time in the 167 case for the 184 would mean the 184 would be late coming out of Castleford Bus Station. Now you've mentioned turnaround times, given the 187 looks to be self-interworking, it has a 5 minute layover in Pontefract on most journeys, but the last one only has a 1 minute layover. I know there's no driver change there, but if it's the case it's bound to be late. Some 184 journeys have a turnaround time of 2 minutes. The 1647 departure is bound to be late if the bus gets in at 1645 and I will know a few college students will use this bus. I am guessing the 187 will only need 3 buses on it then I think
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Post by andy1 on Aug 13, 2020 14:20:24 GMT 1
A bit of history disappearing from Aug 30th is the renumbering of one of the oldest route numbers in Calderdale , the 560 Halifax to Commons is to become the 586! along with Hx to Roch 587 . For a short time from D Day 26th Oct 86 till about sometime in late 87/88 the 560 was discontinued, as the 508 from Leeds was extended to Rishworth and Commons .
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Post by deerfold on Aug 13, 2020 14:28:43 GMT 1
A bit of history disappearing from Aug 30th is the renumbering of one of the oldest route numbers in Calderdale , the 560 Halifax to Commons is to become the 586! along with Hx to Roch 587 . For a short time from D Day 26th Oct 86 till about sometime in late 87/88 the 560 was discontinued, as the 508 from Leeds was extended to Rishworth and Commons . Commons also had a period around 2000 when it was served by the 566 via Mill Bank and another when it was served by a route which ran from Dean Head with connections in Barkisland and Ripponden for passengers for Halifax. I'll have to look up the route numbers. Evening and Sunday services to Commons have also been provided by the 556/7 via Barkisland. For many years the first 562 of the day between Oldham and Halifax diverted via Commons on a Sunday. The 586 was a route number that lasted for a long time as Sowerby to Norland via Marten Heights - from at least 1986 for around 30 years until it was replaced with the poorly-promoted Ring & Ride.
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Post by andy1 on Aug 13, 2020 14:32:22 GMT 1
Quite correct Deerfold , and the outward journey from Halifax operated via Commons also, which could present problems up Rishworth New Road and Commons itself !
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Post by joseph on Aug 13, 2020 17:06:03 GMT 1
A bit of history disappearing from Aug 30th is the renumbering of one of the oldest route numbers in Calderdale , the 560 Halifax to Commons is to become the 586! along with Hx to Roch 587 . For a short time from D Day 26th Oct 86 till about sometime in late 87/88 the 560 was discontinued, as the 508 from Leeds was extended to Rishworth and Commons . Commons also had a period around 2000 when it was served by the 566 via Mill Bank and another when it was served by a route which ran from Dean Head with connections in Barkisland and Ripponden for passengers for Halifax. I'll have to look up the route numbers. Evening and Sunday services to Commons have also been provided by the 556/7 via Barkisland. For many years the first 562 of the day between Oldham and Halifax diverted via Commons on a Sunday. The 586 was a route number that lasted for a long time as Sowerby to Norland via Marten Heights - from at least 1986 for around 30 years until it was replaced with the poorly-promoted Ring & Ride. On the plus side, looking at the timetable at least they are coordinated much better so they offer a 30 minute frequency from Halifax, and a fairly spaced out frequency towards Halifax for much of the day, just some bigger gaps during peak periods. It looks as if the pre-covid timetable for both routes will be reduced at certain times such as evenings/Sundays, although they do combine together Sunday daytime to offer an hourly service to Ripponden, same can't be said towards Halifax however with both routes running almost on top of each other.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 13, 2020 17:55:49 GMT 1
Commons also had a period around 2000 when it was served by the 566 via Mill Bank and another when it was served by a route which ran from Dean Head with connections in Barkisland and Ripponden for passengers for Halifax. I'll have to look up the route numbers. Evening and Sunday services to Commons have also been provided by the 556/7 via Barkisland. For many years the first 562 of the day between Oldham and Halifax diverted via Commons on a Sunday. The 586 was a route number that lasted for a long time as Sowerby to Norland via Marten Heights - from at least 1986 for around 30 years until it was replaced with the poorly-promoted Ring & Ride. On the plus side, looking at the timetable at least they are coordinated much better so they offer a 30 minute frequency from Halifax, and a fairly spaced out frequency towards Halifax for much of the day, just some bigger gaps during peak periods. It looks as if the pre-covid timetable for both routes will be reduced at certain times such as evenings/Sundays, although they do combine together Sunday daytime to offer an hourly service to Ripponden, same can't be said towards Halifax however with both routes running almost on top of each other. They've appeared very recently... wymetro.com/buses/timetables/586Yes, a much better daytime service for Ripponden even though there's fewer buses overall. Sadly looks like the evening service over the border has gone. Also a rather odd every 70 minute evening service. That first bus at 0520 / 0548 is earlier than there has been for a while - and then a 90 minute wait for the next Commons service means it's probably not much better for most people. That timetable suggests Tiger are running the 586, though I thought it was First. Sunday evening is very sparse between Halifax and Ripponden - every 2 hours to 2120. In the 2000s it was half hourly to 2300. And then there were two-hourly evening services via both Barkisland and Mill Bank. The last bus via Mill Bank will be 1850MF 1820Sa. That's actually a 5 minute improvement on a Saturday, but during the week they're currently 1815/2100/2300. Last bus via Barkisland will be an hour later than currently on a Saturday, possibly replacing a small bit of the 564 which doesn't look to be coming back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 18:02:37 GMT 1
409 and 408 timetables on Metro now, seems the 408 and 409 have a 10-12 minute wait at Pontefract before returning to Doncaster. If the 405s did interwork with the 408/409 the 405s would be waiting in the bus station at Doncaster for about half an hour before leaving to Doncaster.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 13, 2020 18:43:46 GMT 1
On the plus side, looking at the timetable at least they are coordinated much better so they offer a 30 minute frequency from Halifax, and a fairly spaced out frequency towards Halifax for much of the day, just some bigger gaps during peak periods. It looks as if the pre-covid timetable for both routes will be reduced at certain times such as evenings/Sundays, although they do combine together Sunday daytime to offer an hourly service to Ripponden, same can't be said towards Halifax however with both routes running almost on top of each other. They've appeared very recently... wymetro.com/buses/timetables/586Yes, a much better daytime service for Ripponden even though there's fewer buses overall. Sadly looks like the evening service over the border has gone. Also a rather odd every 70 minute evening service. That first bus at 0520 / 0548 is earlier than there has been for a while - and then a 90 minute wait for the next Commons service means it's probably not much better for most people. That timetable suggests Tiger are running the 586, though I thought it was First. That’s a bug with the online timetable showing two services The 587 is the only one with multiple operators, so the only one with operator codes showing As the 586 is entirely First, no operator is shown on those journeys although that isn’t made clear
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Post by deerfold on Aug 13, 2020 19:20:44 GMT 1
They've appeared very recently... wymetro.com/buses/timetables/586Yes, a much better daytime service for Ripponden even though there's fewer buses overall. Sadly looks like the evening service over the border has gone. Also a rather odd every 70 minute evening service. That first bus at 0520 / 0548 is earlier than there has been for a while - and then a 90 minute wait for the next Commons service means it's probably not much better for most people. That timetable suggests Tiger are running the 586, though I thought it was First. That’s a bug with the online timetable showing two services The 587 is the only one with multiple operators, so the only one with operator codes showing As the 586 is entirely First, no operator is shown on those journeys although that isn’t made clear As both operators are listed at the top of the timetable it suggests Tiger operate the other journeys.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 13, 2020 19:49:04 GMT 1
Not of you turn to Sunday’s timetables it doesn’t
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Post by andy1 on Aug 13, 2020 20:17:00 GMT 1
First are operating all 586 journeys, Tiger are only mentioned because their are operating 587 on Sundays .
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Post by deerfold on Aug 13, 2020 20:35:23 GMT 1
Not of you turn to Sunday’s timetables it doesn’t And if you don't? As you say, it's a bug. And it can easily be misleading.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 13, 2020 20:36:09 GMT 1
First are operating all 586 journeys, Tiger are only mentioned because their are operating 567 on Sundays . Or even the 587.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 14, 2020 20:51:56 GMT 1
Lots of new times for Tiger in bustimes.org Tiger's 561 and 562 seem to losing their evening services. bustimes.org/services/561-halifax-ripponden-circular-2?date=2020-09-01bustimes.org/services/562-halifax-ripponden-circular?date=2020-09-01On a Sunday the last short trip on the 561 and an early positioning journey from West Vale to Ripponden on the 562 are withdrawn. Copley will have no buses after 1900. Also, the late service from Brighouse to Elland on the 563 at 2255 will become a 1905 service. The 20 to Rye lane will finish an hour earlier. The 21 to Highroad Well loses its increase in peak frequency to 3bph, remaining at 2bph. On a Saturday it goes from 1bp2h to 2bph. The first and last service on the 22 Halifax to Claremount (0625 and 2210) are disappearing. A later 2110 will run on a Sunday. The last short run on the 343 from Halifax to Elland is back. The Saturday service doubles to hourly. The last journey on the 577 is 40 minutes later, but no longer runs between Sowerby and Boulderclough. It's not clear if there will be any evening 579s. Some other timetables now available Service 526 has some trips diverting via Roundhill Estate replacing the former TJ Walsh provision Service 20 runs Halifax to Rye Lane via Pellon Lane as currently but reduced from every 20 mins to every 30 mins Service 21 still runs via Hanson Lane but now runs to Rye Lane instead of Highroad Well, and now runs every 30 mins, combining with service 20 to provide 4 buses per hour Service 22 is reduced from every 20 mins to every 30 mins Service 514 runs hourly Halifax Bus Station to Wainstalls via Hopwood Lane replacing the 23 and then to Wainstalls replacing the 20A, but still providing a quicker journey as the 20A ran via Rye Lane Service 530 runs hourly Halifax Bus Station to Fountainhead Village, but direct via Pellon Lane raher than via Hopwood Lane resulting in a much quicker journey time Service 531 runs hourly Halifax Bus Station to Highroad Well replacing service 21 but via Pellon Lane Service 524 runs hourly Halifax to Wainstalls, with extra hourly Halifax to Ovenden journeys on top partially replacing TJ Walsh services
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Post by glennh2 on Aug 14, 2020 22:18:10 GMT 1
Service 531 and 532 both have no service after 1.35pm from Halifax
Service 579 has no service after 7.30pm from Sowerby except one bus at 2235 although it may be still to update
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Post by deerfold on Aug 14, 2020 22:21:43 GMT 1
Service 579 has no service after 7.30pm from Sowerby except one bus at 2235 although it may be still to update That's the current Covid timetable. There's no updated timetable showing.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 14, 2020 22:24:48 GMT 1
Service 531 and 532 both have no service after 1.35pm from Halifax The 532 runs until 1435. On Saturdays the 531 runs later until 1635.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 15, 2020 20:59:28 GMT 1
Wondering if they'll release a PDF of the service changes like they normally do so I can have a summary and know which services are being withdrawn/added (need this info), I can't just manually search for every single service
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Post by deerfold on Aug 15, 2020 21:31:57 GMT 1
Wondering if they'll release a PDF of the service changes like they normally do so I can have a summary and know which services are being withdrawn/added (need this info), I can't just manually search for every single service Probably. It usually doesn't appear until a couple of weeks before. Sometimes less.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 15, 2020 21:53:54 GMT 1
Wondering if they'll release a PDF of the service changes like they normally do so I can have a summary and know which services are being withdrawn/added (need this info), I can't just manually search for every single service Probably. It usually doesn't appear until a couple of weeks before. Sometimes less. it'll be a massive one then as it will have to include all chances since March when COVID-19 started
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Post by deerfold on Aug 15, 2020 22:04:32 GMT 1
Probably. It usually doesn't appear until a couple of weeks before. Sometimes less. it'll be a massive one then as it will have to include all chances since March when COVID-19 started It may contain these. They may decide not to bother with them all and just include ones that are staying.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 15, 2020 22:28:56 GMT 1
Wondering if they'll release a PDF of the service changes like they normally do so I can have a summary and know which services are being withdrawn/added (need this info), I can't just manually search for every single service Probably. It usually doesn't appear until a couple of weeks before. Sometimes less. The service changes page on the website says timetables are changing, the link takes you onto another page which redirects you onto the search for timetables page.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 15, 2020 23:03:36 GMT 1
Probably. It usually doesn't appear until a couple of weeks before. Sometimes less. The service changes page on the website says timetables are changing, the link takes you onto another page which redirects you onto the search for timetables page. Yes. And?
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