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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 13:23:13 GMT 1
I stand corrected the 164 will interwork with 189, spoke to the Castleford staff route learning today. I thought if they was using versas for it then they would interwork with the 168,as they always use singles.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 3, 2020 14:19:14 GMT 1
I stand corrected the 164 will interwork with 189, spoke to the Castleford staff route learning today. So the Leeds-bound 189s are now going to be operated by Versas I presume? Or could it perhaps mean a driver change at Leeds from the 189 onto the 164?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 14:21:23 GMT 1
I stand corrected the 164 will interwork with 189, spoke to the Castleford staff route learning today. So the Leeds-bound 189s are now going to be operated by Versas I presume? Or could it perhaps mean a driver change at Leeds from the 189 onto the 164? Drivers change will probably happen at Castleford on the 189 when the bus is going to Leeds from what I am thinking
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Post by jst on Aug 3, 2020 15:24:22 GMT 1
With 189 having branded vehicles I imagine it'll be drivers swapping at Leeds and not vehicles?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 15:40:58 GMT 1
With 189 having branded vehicles I imagine it'll be drivers swapping at Leeds and not vehicles? I've gone off the fact that when the 189 used to interwork with the 410 and Doncasters, that the driver change was at Castleford, so I thought it would be the same with this
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 3, 2020 16:07:39 GMT 1
With 189 having branded vehicles I imagine it'll be drivers swapping at Leeds and not vehicles? I've gone off the fact that when the 189 used to interwork with the 410 and Doncasters, that the driver change was at Castleford, so I thought it would be the same with this Neither the 189 or 410 was branded at that point.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 3, 2020 16:09:08 GMT 1
So the Leeds-bound 189s are now going to be operated by Versas I presume? Or could it perhaps mean a driver change at Leeds from the 189 onto the 164? Drivers change will probably happen at Castleford on the 189 when the bus is going to Leeds from what I am thinking That happens anyway, I'm just thinking due to the branded vehicles that they may have another change in Leeds
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 3, 2020 16:10:52 GMT 1
I stand corrected the 164 will interwork with 189, spoke to the Castleford staff route learning today. That makes sense as the Optare Versas can be used on 189 just like the Tempos have been in the past so the 164 & 189 will be run as a mix of E400MMCs & Optare Versas and i'd guess the Pulsars would be used as well as they'll be able to be done to CAZ standards for Leeds given that the Pulsars are usually in Leeds on 167/168/410 as it is as well as appearing on 189 duties currently too
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 3, 2020 16:17:52 GMT 1
So they will have 189 branded E400MMCs running the 164 as well as the 189, and Sapphire branded Versas running the 189 as well as the 164
I'd predict one or more of this isn't going to happen
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 3, 2020 16:29:40 GMT 1
So they will have 189 branded E400MMCs running the 164 as well as the 189, and Sapphire branded Versas running the 189 as well as the 164 I'd predict one or more of this isn't going to happen The only other way to do driver swap is at Garforth which looking at the timetables at present could cause operational issues especially if delays in Leeds area and even using the 189 to get to Leeds can be problematic if delayed coming through from Wakey. Only logical way is with it interworking with 189 and even the 410
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 16:29:49 GMT 1
I've gone off the fact that when the 189 used to interwork with the 410 and Doncasters, that the driver change was at Castleford, so I thought it would be the same with this Neither the 189 or 410 was branded at that point. Would it make a difference if it was branded though? I don't see how branded buses would affect where drivers changeover?
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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 3, 2020 18:12:48 GMT 1
Does it really matter to arriva, I mean the 189 branded deckers always appear on the 163/6. And I can see the versa's being used on the 189 from time to time as they do use single decks on some boards. But probably the versa's will be used on the 410/411 as I've seen a lot of those boards use tempos and with the tempos going to Selby it only makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 18:25:44 GMT 1
Does it really matter to arriva, I mean the 189 branded deckers always appear on the 163/6. And I can see the versa's being used on the 189 from time to time as they do use single decks on some boards. But probably the versa's will be used on the 410/411 as I've seen a lot of those boards use tempos and with the tempos going to Selby it only makes sense. Tempos dont appear on the 411 hardly anymore, only in case of a breakdown like one time last week. Tempos still commonly used on the 167/168 though. It's more commanders that are used on the 411 than the tempos
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Post by peteleeds on Aug 3, 2020 18:29:09 GMT 1
My local councillor has just posted this on facebook
"Leeds - August Bus Service Changes.
Dear Councillor, As you may be aware bus services were reduced at the start of this pandemic in line with government guidelines. As restrictions have eased, we have worked with bus operators to bring service levels back up to normal. This process will continue throughout August, and we hope to have all services back to normal from 30th / 31st August. Due to social distancing in place on buses, capacity on services has reduced by approximately 50%. The 30th / 31st August is also our next service change date, so we have summarised the main changes in your district below, which will be introduced on 30th or 31st August 2020 unless otherwise stated. A1 Leeds – Kirkstall – Horsforth – Leeds Bradford Airport Operated by Transdev This new service will replace service 757, operating to a revised timetable. A2 Bradford – Greengates – Apperley Bridge Station – Yeadon – Leeds Bradford Airport – Harrogate Operated by Transdev This new service will replace service 747, operating to a revised route and timetable. Between Greengates and Rawdon it will serve Apperley Bridge Railway Station for rail connections. Between Rawdon and Yeadon the route will be revised to run via Henshaw Lane. Between Yeadon and Leeds Bradford Airport it will run via High Street. Kirk Lane and Cemetery Road will be served by service A3. A3 Bradford – Shipley – Guiseley – Yeadon – Leeds Bradford Airport Operated by Transdev This new service will replace service 737, operating to a revised route and timetable. Between Guiseley and Yeadon the route will be revised to run via The Green, Leeds Road, New Road and Kirk Lane. Between Yeadon and Leeds Bradford Airport it will run via Cemetery Road. 163 166 Castleford – Kippax – Garforth – Leeds Operated by Arriva Yorkshire Minor timetable changes will be introduced. 164 Leeds – Crossgates – Garforth – Micklefield – Selby Operated by Arriva Yorkshire This is a new Mon-Sat service replacing 402/403, running every half-hour between Leeds and Garforth with one journey every two hours extending to Selby Mon-Sat off-peak and with some additional peak journeys for Micklefield. The route between Leeds and Garforth (Wakefield Road) will be the same as the 163 with journeys towards Selby and all journeys towards Leeds serving Barley Hill Road. Lidgett Lane and Selby Road, Garforth will continue to be served by First 19/19A. Some journeys will serve Sherburn Industrial Estate. 167 168 Castleford – Woodlesford – Leeds Operated by Arriva Yorkshire Minor timetable changes will be introduced. 189 Wakefield – Normanton – Castleford – Mickletown – Leeds Operated by Arriva Yorkshire Minor timetable changes will be introduced. The 1735 (Sat) journey from Wakefield will be extended to Leeds. 402 403 Leeds – Crossgates – Garforth – Micklefield – Selby Operated by Arriva Yorkshire This service will be withdrawn and replaced by new service 164. 630 Bradford – Tyersal Operated by First / Yorkshire Tiger / TLC Travel Evening and Sunday journeys previously operated by Yorkshire Tiger will now be operated by TLC Travel to a slightly revised timetable. Monday-Saturday daytime journeys will continue to be operated by First. First tickets will be accepted on these TLC journeys. 737 Bradford – Shipley – Guiseley – Yeadon – Leeds Bradford Airport Operated by Yorkshire Tiger This service will be withdrawn and replaced by Transdev service A3. 747 Bradford – Greengates – Yeadon – Leeds Bradford Airport – Harrogate Operated by Yorkshire Tiger This service will be withdrawn and replaced by Transdev service A2. 757 Leeds – Kirkstall – Horsforth – Leeds Bradford Airport Operated by Yorkshire Tiger / CT Plus This service will be withdrawn and replaced by Transdev service A1. X60 Castleford – Kippax – Leeds Operated by Arriva Yorkshire A revised timetable will be introduced with some journeys running up to ten minutes later."
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 3, 2020 18:56:37 GMT 1
Does it really matter to arriva, I mean the 189 branded deckers always appear on the 163/6. And I can see the versa's being used on the 189 from time to time as they do use single decks on some boards. But probably the versa's will be used on the 410/411 as I've seen a lot of those boards use tempos and with the tempos going to Selby it only makes sense. Tempos dont appear on the 411 hardly anymore, only in case of a breakdown like one time last week. Tempos still commonly used on the 167/168 though. It's more commanders that are used on the 411 than the tempos Prior to Lockdown the tempos were regularly in use on 410/411 than pulsars or on the 187 & Doncasters as some people said they were going on regular as well
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 18:59:32 GMT 1
Tempos dont appear on the 411 hardly anymore, only in case of a breakdown like one time last week. Tempos still commonly used on the 167/168 though. It's more commanders that are used on the 411 than the tempos Prior to Lockdown the tempos were regularly in use on 410/411 than pulsars or on the 187 & Doncasters as some people said they were going on regular as well I know now though there is 1 usually on a 167/168, but it tends to get swapped sometimes, then there is always a diagram on the 188 which is always a tempo. Ever since the 187 came back, that a tempo on the 188 has been regular. There might be one on Frystons, but tends to be more E200's than anything else and then the rest is on the 187/ Doncasters, although the allocation on the 187 is totally random, as some days there's only 2 tempos on, others 4 tempos on, or even 5.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 3, 2020 19:59:47 GMT 1
Maybe all that sort of talk should be kept for the Arriva sub forum rather than the service changes thread? Back to the service changes, and the Flyer timetables are now available www.flyerbuses.comI’m surprised they are starting with a 20 min frequency on the A1
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 3, 2020 20:59:41 GMT 1
164 Leeds – Crossgates – Garforth – Micklefield – Selby Operated by Arriva Yorkshire This is a new Mon-Sat service replacing 402/403, running every half-hour between Leeds and Garforth with one journey every two hours extending to Selby Mon-Sat off-peak and with some additional peak journeys for Micklefield. The route between Leeds and Garforth (Wakefield Road) will be the same as the 163 with journeys towards Selby and all journeys towards Leeds serving Barley Hill Road. Lidgett Lane and Selby Road, Garforth will continue to be served by First 19/19A. Some journeys will serve Sherburn Industrial Estate.
So looking at the above statement with the 164 following the 163 route between Leeds and Garfoth it makes sense for the driver changes to be done at Garforth as drivers can have the 163, 166 & 175/175a at their disposable to use to get to Garforth terminus.
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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 3, 2020 21:50:46 GMT 1
Judging by that anouncement it will be driver change at Castleford, who will drive 189 Leeds then 164 to Garforth, then back to Leeds and Castleford. Presumably taking about 2 hours to complete the circuit.
For the Castleford - Leeds - Selby - Leeds - Castleford circuit you are looking at about 4 hours driving which would be well in the legal driving limit making Castleford the ideal place for driver changes.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 3, 2020 22:14:17 GMT 1
Judging by that anouncement it will be driver change at Castleford, who will drive 189 Leeds then 164 to Garforth, then back to Leeds and Castleford. Presumably taking about 2 hours to complete the circuit. For the Castleford - Leeds - Selby - Leeds - Castleford circuit you are looking at about 4 hours driving which would be well in the legal driving limit making Castleford the ideal place for driver changes. yes but the full run to Selby is every two hours but the problem with interworking with the 189 is you've always got delays on 2 sections of the route sometimes 3 (Wakefield to Normanton (occasionally right through to Diggerland) and then around Stourton and Hunslet areas of Leeds) so again swap at Garforth would be better either by bus (163/166/175/175a) or van. The only way the 164 can successfully interwork the 189 would be splitting it up with journies running seperate between Wakey & Cas and Cas & Leeds and i'm already aware some of the 189 boards are mixes of Cas-Wakey and the full route Wakey-Leeds.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 3, 2020 22:18:06 GMT 1
I’m surprised they are starting with a 20 min frequency on the A1 Looks like pretty much the same timetable as Tiger were running pre-Covid. Wonder when the promised 24-hour service with up to 4bph will come in.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 3, 2020 23:30:17 GMT 1
A2 will serve Apperley Bridge station but will have a slightly shorter route than the 747 as it will miss out New Scarborough/ Kirk Lane, instead running via Harper Lane and Cemetery Road. Some changes to the evening times.
A3 will divert via The Green, Leeds Road, Kirk Lane and High Street. Some changes to the evening times.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 10, 2020 12:58:43 GMT 1
There's some times for the Keighley - Halifax service online. I suspect they're not quite right. bustimes.org/services/502-halifax-keighleyLooks to run hourly from Halifax from 0555 to 1655 or 1725 (I suspect only one of those two will run on any given day). I'd be surprised if there was actually Sunday service and I think that NS and SO services are both showing for every day. It looks to start nice and early. Good to carry on long enough to provide an evening peak service, but a shame there's no late evening service. It will serve Cullingworth. It will also serve all the side roads the current 504 serves, so it's quite a bit slower than the old direct 502. Disappointingly, most hours it looks to run just a couple of minutes off the 67 where the routes are the same. Most hours, both services are due in Keighley at the same time, with the 67 leaving 5 minutes before the 502. Unless of course the 67 is going to see a timetable change.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 13:05:55 GMT 1
If Bus times is correct apparently the 184 is becoming every 30 minutes from 31st August? I am talking about Pontefract to Castleford BTW, not the 184 that first operate between Manchester and Huddersfield or wherever it is. Surely that's wrong? Because there's no way 2 buses can share a stand at the same time haha. I wonder where bus times get the information from
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Post by deerfold on Aug 10, 2020 14:38:12 GMT 1
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