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Post by Steve Macz403 on Aug 16, 2021 21:53:17 GMT 1
Now it suddenly makes sense, and it took just one tweet to show the REAL motive behind this scheme. Some services have not been included on maps because they're forcing people to walk more! In this tweet it said 79% of people are just a 7 minute walk from the core network, the tweet showed an image of a line being drawn from central Woodlesford to the main routes on the 140/1 services. First of all it's more than 7 minutes for your average fatty, secondly even if it was just 7 minutes downhill, uphill it will be much longer! What those selfish idiots haven't taken into account is WINTER! Who the hell wants to be slipping all over the shop for 7 minutes plus! Watch this space, I bet we see the withdrawl of funding for non commercial routes what they claim are within a 7 minute walk of the network. It's not any authorities job to ram healthy this that and 't' other down the throats of everyone, if I want to walk, I will, not because some git in a posh suit down Civic Hall tells me to, maybe they should visit A&E on a weekend to see who is REALLY clogging things up. You make a good point. someone could say e.g use the 12/13 from Harehills get off at Vicar Lane to walk do a 7 minute walk to Leeds train station. Someone try that when they have suitcases and need to catch a London train. Rather than walking with a backpack instead. Woodlesford would be linked to a 167/168 or 446 service, ( that actually serve the area) rather than the 140/141
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Post by granger on Aug 19, 2021 13:33:52 GMT 1
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 19, 2021 22:48:40 GMT 1
That cycle path smack in front of The Queens looks... odd. Not that many cyclists in Leeds know what a cycle path is, or how to use it. The stories I could bore you with...
I also think they're going to run into problems with The Queens and the Metropole; where do people go for carriages? And which services will use the new Wellington Street eastbound stops? I'd guess the services that currently stop on Aire Street; but I'd put money on Arriva diverting their services away.
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Post by WYBS on Aug 19, 2021 23:24:52 GMT 1
I'm confused... the 2 stops eastbound on Wellington Street, what's that all about? I can't imagine a route's going to go Boar Lane, Infirmary Street, King Street, Wellington Street, Aire Street then onto Whitehall road. I always thought the vacant land (currently used as a car park) between Wellington Street and Aire Street would be the perfect place for a proper bus-rail interchange, both for terminating sevices, and things passing through (33, 34, 760, 508, 42, 229, 254/5 etc...) But of course it depends on who owns it and what the current plans are for it.
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Post by twansport on Aug 20, 2021 8:08:29 GMT 1
Are large vehicles going to be able to negotiate the 150 degree turn from Wellington Street to Aire Street successfully? I am concerned that traffic backing up from Princess Square to Wellington Street will end up blocking much of the East West bus routes creating carnage I'm confused... the 2 stops eastbound on Wellington Street, what's that all about? I can't imagine a route's going to go Boar Lane, Infirmary Street, King Street, Wellington Street, Aire Street then onto Whitehall road. I always thought the vacant land (currently used as a car park) between Wellington Street and Aire Street would be the perfect place for a proper bus-rail interchange, both for terminating sevices, and things passing through (33, 34, 760, 508, 42, 229, 254/5 etc...) But of course it depends on who owns it and what the current plans are for it. Bus routes will have to perform that route if they want to access Whitehall Road.
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 20, 2021 12:27:54 GMT 1
Are large vehicles going to be able to negotiate the 150 degree turn from Wellington Street to Aire Street successfully? I am concerned that traffic backing up from Princess Square to Wellington Street will end up blocking much of the East West bus routes creating carnage I'm confused... the 2 stops eastbound on Wellington Street, what's that all about? I can't imagine a route's going to go Boar Lane, Infirmary Street, King Street, Wellington Street, Aire Street then onto Whitehall road. I always thought the vacant land (currently used as a car park) between Wellington Street and Aire Street would be the perfect place for a proper bus-rail interchange, both for terminating sevices, and things passing through (33, 34, 760, 508, 42, 229, 254/5 etc...) But of course it depends on who owns it and what the current plans are for it. Bus routes will have to perform that route if they want to access Whitehall Road. Yes, they should be able to make that turn. It'll be almost 90 degrees once you take into account that the turn will be on the left/north of Wellington Street down Aire Street, which will have a remoddled entrance. The current car park (still shown as a car park on the video) is being built upon as we speak, hence the road changes at the top end of Aire Street.
It's only really the Arriva services that need to access Whitehall Road from the east, as I said Arriva might just decide to reroute them 'round the back' via Holbeck Lane and Ninevah Road (outbound via Dewsbury Road). The 55/65/75 set can run in via Whitehall Road to Thirsk Row, then King Street, East Parade, South Parade, Park Row, Infirmary Street, King Street, Wellington Street and Aire Street to Whitehall Road and onwards
I still want to know where rail replacement buses will go from. If I were to guess, Aire Street. I wonder if access to the station will be possible from Wellington Street as well as or instead of Aire Street?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 20, 2021 20:22:00 GMT 1
They don’t seem to have covered what will happen with the loop road, I’m not sure sending that alongside the inner ring road all up the Ingram Distributor would be a very good idea
Regarding cycle lanes, they are obsessed by them, the A641 proposals are the same, suggesting changing the uphill crawler lane out of Brighouse to one lane with a cycle lane. You’d have to be Jason Kenny to be cycling regularly up there
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Post by joseph on Aug 21, 2021 8:14:31 GMT 1
They don’t seem to have covered what will happen with the loop road, I’m not sure sending that alongside the inner ring road all up the Ingram Distributor would be a very good idea Regarding cycle lanes, they are obsessed by them, the A641 proposals are the same, suggesting changing the uphill crawler lane out of Brighouse to one lane with a cycle lane. You’d have to be Jason Kenny to be cycling regularly up there So on the one hand local government would like the City Centre and immediate surrounds to be all pedestrian all cycling traffic free, but want Outer South Leeds to be filled with all those fumes, with traffic diverted via the A643 and then the Ring Road or M621. Well that's one way to resolve the issue, shift the problem lol. They've built cycle lanes from South Leeds areas towards the City Centre in the vain hope people will use them, but as has been proven not many are. Elland Road has a cycle lane, but I personally have only seen 2 people on it and I'm not surprised frankly as it ends in Holbeck. The council would like users to cycle through the underpass and Holbeck Park/Princess Street to re-join another new lane next to Halfords, unless cyclists are suddenly allowed to arm themselves, or security guards are provided then no chance lol! I bet the next not so clever idea will be a cycle lane on Churwell Hill, which for those who don't know is a long, quite narrow in sections, busy road with lots of parked cars outside houses and businesses leading from Beeston Ring Road around the Milshaw area up to the edge of Morley.
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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 21, 2021 10:20:10 GMT 1
Sounds like a case of looking at a flat map on the desk, drawing a few lines on it and saying its fine, without actually visiting the roads they want to modify.
There is a reason places like Amsterdam and Copenhagen are good for cycling and that's because they are flat places with very little in terms of hills. Plus European city design is more compact, most people live in apartments in buildings of 4-6 storeys and their commutes are shorter.
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Post by nic on Aug 21, 2021 11:43:48 GMT 1
They don’t seem to have covered what will happen with the loop road, I’m not sure sending that alongside the inner ring road all up the Ingram Distributor would be a very good idea Regarding cycle lanes, they are obsessed by them, the A641 proposals are the same, suggesting changing the uphill crawler lane out of Brighouse to one lane with a cycle lane. You’d have to be Jason Kenny to be cycling regularly up there The loop road was my first thought when I saw it - surely they amend the plans and send the loop road up Infirmary Street? Also what happens to Queens hotel entrance etc, the taxis and what not? Replacement buses? From a bus perspective - what happens to East/West services? (4/16/19)? 1 Beeston-West Park? 5 and connecting the city centre up? The airport bus? It seems, as usual from this useless Labour council, they want to make our city 'green' and 'carbon free' but instead they just push the problem elsewhere and forget about it. Bit like they did when they approved the housing estate between Rodley & Horsforth roundabouts. Forget about the poor infrastructure problems and just approve anyway. Deal with the problems (in a half arsed way) later on.
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 21, 2021 12:18:17 GMT 1
They don’t seem to have covered what will happen with the loop road, I’m not sure sending that alongside the inner ring road all up the Ingram Distributor would be a very good idea Regarding cycle lanes, they are obsessed by them, the A641 proposals are the same, suggesting changing the uphill crawler lane out of Brighouse to one lane with a cycle lane. You’d have to be Jason Kenny to be cycling regularly up there The loop road was my first thought when I saw it - surely they amend the plans and send the loop road up Infirmary Street? Also what happens to Queens hotel entrance etc, the taxis and what not? Replacement buses? From a bus perspective - what happens to East/West services? (4/16/19)? 1 Beeston-West Park? 5 and connecting the city centre up? The airport bus? It seems, as usual from this useless Labour council, they want to make our city 'green' and 'carbon free' but instead they just push the problem elsewhere and forget about it. Bit like they did when they approved the housing estate between Rodley & Horsforth roundabouts. Forget about the poor infrastructure problems and just approve anyway. Deal with the problems (in a half arsed way) later on. Services such as the 4 and 16 will run from Boar Lane via Infirmary Street and King Street in both directions. Probably takes the same amount of time as running via the Station. I'm guessing the 19 will do the same, and the 1 will do what it does now. Buses that turn at City Square could either run via Mill Hill and Bishopgate Street to Boar Lane or via Infirmary Street, Welington Street and Aire Street to Thirsk Row. Or Park Row, Boar Lane, Mill Hill, Bishopgate Street. In fact, there may be better turning opportunities compared with now.
On the cycling front, the stretch around the motorways seems to be completed. Coming south off Jack Lane there's a junction and a south arrow that leads... nowhere. Well, it points to the inbound bus, cycle and taxi lane but good luck cycling against that traffic! And if you did you'd have to somehow cross two lanes of on-coming traffic to reach the bus lane on Parkfield Street/Dewsbury Road that takes you over the motoway. Unless you're supposed to cycle on the very narrow footpath alongside, but that isn't made clear.
Not to mention that this plan involved ripping up the cycle lane that's just gone in. Once WYCA has finished its building work, the cycle lane outside the building will be open for about six months before it gets closed. The Wellington Street/King Street cycle junction should be a laugh, no-one will ever use it. The other day I saw someone cycle down the road/pavement on Northern Street towards Wellington Street, ignoring the cycle route on the other side; then they turned left onto Wellington Street, circled route and took the cycle route on Queen Street, getting in the way of traffic and pedestrians alike. But all he had to do was take the marked cycle route. He wasn't even a Deliveroo cyclist...
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Post by nic on Aug 21, 2021 14:22:38 GMT 1
My bad - I didn't see that buses could travel up onto infirmary street.
As for the loop that feel it will become an after thought.
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 21, 2021 21:38:20 GMT 1
Another random thought I had was about the Triathlon (which I'm just watching, from Edmonton) and smiliar events. With the central reservation gone on The Headrow and the road there's not enough space (I think) to safely cycle in both directions. The new bus gate towards the bottom of Park Row is also a bit constricting if they wanted to run all the way down and on to Infirmary Street instead of the sharp turn to South Parade. And the cycle path through the now-closed Cookridge Street makes that a bit awkward for large groups of cyclists and runners.
Then again, they might move Transition 2 and the finish line to City Square. Either way, I hope we don't accidentally lose the event, TdY, etc.
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 25, 2021 11:04:42 GMT 1
For those who haven't followed the various links; there are public consultations being held at Mill Hill Chapel on Thursday 26th (3pm-7pm) and Saturday 11 September (10am - 2pm).
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Post by WYBS on Apr 17, 2022 21:29:47 GMT 1
A new curb has been laid on the end of Boar Lane/ top of Bishopgate Street for the new right turn (I guess). The city square pedestrianisation must be starting soon for it to make sense. If you take a look at it, it doesn't appear to allow enough room for any vehicles to make the turn, let alone buses.
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Post by yorkslad on Apr 19, 2022 20:50:47 GMT 1
The answer, as ever, is "it depends". As it is now with two lanes it would be a tight turn from the right-hand lane, but if Bishopsgate Street goes down to one lane and that lane is the present left-hand lane... you've enough to swing round.
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Post by pub146g on Apr 20, 2022 22:53:36 GMT 1
The answer, as ever, is "it depends". As it is now with two lanes it would be a tight turn from the right-hand lane, but if Bishopsgate Street goes down to one lane and that lane is the present left-hand lane... you've enough to swing round. Yes, there will just be a single lane using the current left hand lane. The attached graphic taken from the Connecting Leeds proposals shows a vehicle turning on to Boar Lane.
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Post by WYBS on Oct 10, 2022 15:36:14 GMT 1
The top of Lady Lane (junction of Vicar Lane) has been cut off by large plantpots, with buses now having to go down Eastgate instead.
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Post by yorkslad on Oct 10, 2022 19:41:53 GMT 1
Where does general traffic go? Or has that been banned. I thought buses turned onto Eastgate anyway - must get out that way more often...
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Post by peteleeds on Oct 10, 2022 19:50:20 GMT 1
Where does general traffic go? Or has that been banned. I thought buses turned onto Eastgate anyway - must get out that way more often... Turns off vicar lane onto templar street instead. Means most of Vicar lane is public transport only
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Post by WYBS on Oct 10, 2022 19:53:23 GMT 1
Where does general traffic go? Or has that been banned. I thought buses turned onto Eastgate anyway - must get out that way more often... There used to only be a bus gate past the junction of Lady Lane, about a year ago they moved it further back so that cars couldn't access Lady Lane from the top. General traffic has to turn right and go up past the loading dock/ stage door of the Grand Theatre and onto New Briggate. 36's and 7's used to used Lady Lane. The newly moved bus gate is camera enforced and a lot cars were getting fined (was in the news). Lady Lane can get pretty busy at the bottom; with general traffic coming onto it from Edward Street, but getting onto the roundabout from Eastgate can be a pain so it has no major advantage for the buses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2022 20:08:26 GMT 1
Where does general traffic go? Or has that been banned. I thought buses turned onto Eastgate anyway - must get out that way more often... General traffic that goes down Vicar Lane will either have to use Templar Street & Edward St to get onto Lady Lane,or get sent up Harrison Street onto New Briggate & back out of the city. Was Lady Lane always meant to be closed at the top? If it was it seems an odd choice they didn't close it when they resurfaced Vicar Lane & have the new footpath continue along the top of the street,rather than now just having plant pots put in the road
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Post by WYBS on Oct 10, 2022 20:29:34 GMT 1
Where does general traffic go? Or has that been banned. I thought buses turned onto Eastgate anyway - must get out that way more often... Was Lady Lane always meant to be closed at the top? If it was it seems an odd choice they didn't close it when they resurfaced Vicar Lane & have the new footpath continue along the top of the street,rather than now just having plant pots put in the roadWas never in the original plans. The BBC reported that the council repaid thousands of bus gate fines, so maybe the thinking is that sticking plantpots there will deter car users from even attempting to make it that far.
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Post by kendall17 on Oct 10, 2022 21:46:08 GMT 1
Was Lady Lane always meant to be closed at the top? If it was it seems an odd choice they didn't close it when they resurfaced Vicar Lane & have the new footpath continue along the top of the street,rather than now just having plant pots put in the road Was never in the original plans. The BBC reported that the council repaid thousands of bus gate fines, so maybe the thinking is that sticking plantpots there will deter car users from even attempting to make it that far. You'll already be in the bus gate before you see the plant pots.
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Post by yorkslad on Oct 12, 2022 19:22:38 GMT 1
Thanks all for the clarification on Vicar Lane movements. I really should get that way more often!
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