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Post by kendall17 on Jun 22, 2021 20:09:44 GMT 1
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Post by Tom on Jun 27, 2021 20:24:28 GMT 1
I like the ideas, makes sense to have all buses able to use the guideway and makes it easier when catching a bus up that end.
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Post by yorkslad on Jun 29, 2021 13:57:38 GMT 1
Meanwhile: out on my walk today I noted a *third* new-style bus stop. The former H1 on the Headrow, which said "No departures from this stop" last week now has a list of services that call on their way to the bus station.
They aren't, however, broken up by line name or operator. So that's a third variant to go along with the full-colour panel(s) and the line/route coloured strip. Plus the electronic signs, which do their own thing and don't point the 'correct' way half of the time (in the direction the bus is coming from is 'correct', otherwise you're queueing on the wrong side of the stop).
Oh: and on the maps (and buses) service 1 is now called the Beeston Line. Victory for common sense! Haven't seen if the stops along the route have been updated yet though.
I'm beginning to think the person in charge of all of this reads this forum, that's at least three times they've caught up with us.
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Post by jonny182 on Jun 29, 2021 21:46:11 GMT 1
Meanwhile: out on my walk today I noted a *third* new-style bus stop. The former H1 on the Headrow, which said "No departures from this stop" last week now has a list of services that call on their way to the bus station. The former H1 bus stop has always been both a pick-up and alighting stop. The replacement bus stop flag installed last week was incorrect and has been replaced to show the correct list of services that stop to pick-up and alight passengers. It was also formerly used by the First and Transdev Wetherby bus services to pick-up before the Headrow scheme changes started in 2019. The "No departures from this stop" flag would be the penultimate stop further along the route on Eastgate where all city bus station services alight passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 22:44:20 GMT 1
So the abortion that is the lines / colours / new flags continues to throw up more questions than they answer so new flags are now appearing along the Otley Road in no particular order so near Glen Avenue there is new stop one side with a tangerine colour which pays no logic the red topped buses on the” Headingley line” routes and the next stop is an old one and these are people that Tracy Brabin wants to run our buses oh dear god!
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Post by yorkslad on Jul 24, 2021 20:57:08 GMT 1
Out and about today, to Beeston (and back) and then Upper Wortley (and back). Not bad for £4, thanks to First's summer ticket offer ;-)
No stops and maps have been updated to show the Beeston Line, which is slightly unsurprising if there's a cost involved; although, the previous stops with the full green panels on Oldfield Lane are now in the slightly cleaner design with a coloured Old Farnley Line stripe.
What confused me was that the former Z1 outside the station says Headingley Line for service 1. I don't know where Headingley Line changes to Beeston Line southbound but it should be at the Merrion Centre or St John's Centre, except the one at St John's was in the Old Style last I saw. Must check at some point.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 29, 2021 11:43:41 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Jul 29, 2021 13:47:17 GMT 1
It seems to go a bit odd around Leeds Bradford Airport, with a line up to it, but no route number, just a distorted version of the "Flyer" brand logo.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 29, 2021 18:50:06 GMT 1
Still not sure about them renumbering all the bus stops from a series where each had a unique number.
There are now 10 Stop A’s in Leeds City Centre
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Post by joseph on Jul 29, 2021 19:03:16 GMT 1
As for some of the names for these zones, 'The Cultural Quater', the what? What culture! It's the bloody market area mate, get it reet yer posh ....
You've also got stops classed as City Square, but not in City Square, that's going to be fun to explain to the locals lol. Can just imagine locals looking for a stop classed as in City Square only for them to find one solitary stop like there's always been, then all you'll hear when they finally work it out is 'It's in Park frigging Row', or 'It's on bloody Boar Lane, what stupid idiot thought of this scheme!'
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Post by yorkslad on Jul 29, 2021 20:40:32 GMT 1
I'd forgotten how much I disliked the wymetro.com site (now, I mean, originally it was much better) with lots of blue text that isn't a hyperlink and lots of blue text that is...
On-topic: my issue was always around 'Wellington", as getting from, say, D or E to N is a bit tricky compared to other areas! The Whitehall Road / Aire Street stops should have been called Riverside or similar. IMHO, of course. Oh, and they're put the Premier Inn on the wrong place, it's next door to the Novotel; they seem to have placed it in the open air car park. The Metropole is in the wrong place as well, that's where Walker Morris was. Cookridge Street should be shown as closed off, in parts anyway.
Does no-one check things any more?
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Post by steviewevie on Jul 29, 2021 23:23:43 GMT 1
Noticed some confusing bits on the Network Map regarding Arriva services. The 167 and 168 are shown but their route seems to be missing once you get to Oulton/Woodlesford. The new 140 and 141 are shown but the map doesn't show the correct route for the revised 446. If I spotted these errors there are probably more.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 29, 2021 23:40:38 GMT 1
As for some of the names for these zones, 'The Cultural Quater', the what? What culture! It's the bloody market area mate, get it reet yer posh .... You've also got stops classed as City Square, but not in City Square, that's going to be fun to explain to the locals lol. Can just imagine locals looking for a stop classed as in City Square only for them to find one solitary stop like there's always been, then all you'll hear when they finally work it out is 'It's in Park frigging Row', or 'It's on bloody Boar Lane, what stupid idiot thought of this scheme!' It’s the arbitrary boundaries that annoy me, the stops are too continuous to really be able to cut them like this, like you say Station becomes City Square which becomes Trinity with the gaps between them being no bigger than gaps within them
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Post by WYBS on Jul 30, 2021 3:19:14 GMT 1
The network map shows that the 7A/ 7S terminate at Potternewton Lane (or there abouts). What's that all about?
No mention of the Harrogate 7 either?[b
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 30, 2021 10:05:38 GMT 1
That's because it doesn't qualify
"The Core Bus Network is a network of bus stops with frequent services that run at least every 15 minutes or better. These are Core services. The network also includes Strategic bus services that provide direct express services between Leeds city centre and strategic locations at a frequency of 30 minutes or better"
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Post by jdodger08 on Jul 30, 2021 17:05:03 GMT 1
They should have done thin blue lines for the 7a and 7s to show they go further, just like x26 x27 are thin orange lines or 200 201 are thin lines around Morley.
Also they could have made the 19/19A and the 163/164/166 a different colour and named it the Garforth Line. Because there are so many services that come under East Leeds Line that it could be very confusing to new bus users.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 30, 2021 18:01:21 GMT 1
As for some of the names for these zones, 'The Cultural Quater', the what? What culture! It's the bloody market area mate, get it reet yer posh .... You've also got stops classed as City Square, but not in City Square, that's going to be fun to explain to the locals lol. Can just imagine locals looking for a stop classed as in City Square only for them to find one solitary stop like there's always been, then all you'll hear when they finally work it out is 'It's in Park frigging Row', or 'It's on bloody Boar Lane, what stupid idiot thought of this scheme!' When you step out of the York Road end of the bus station you certainly don’t feel you are awash with culture. when staff in the travel centre direct people to a bus that takes them to the railway station, instead of F7, its now “Cultural G”
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Post by WYBS on Jul 30, 2021 20:17:13 GMT 1
That's because it doesn't qualify "The Core Bus Network is a network of bus stops with frequent services that run at least every 15 minutes or better. These are Core services. The network also includes Strategic bus services that provide direct express services between Leeds city centre and strategic locations at a frequency of 30 minutes or better" I just don't get why they would show Thorner on the map and not show that the 7 runs through there, and on to Wetherby? They've shown the 760 to Rodley, Calverley then onto Keighley.
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Post by jabbott1987 on Jul 30, 2021 20:38:25 GMT 1
Wouldn't mention 760 anyway has its just commonly known has 60 Aireline.
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Post by deerfold on Jul 31, 2021 11:05:46 GMT 1
That's because it doesn't qualify "The Core Bus Network is a network of bus stops with frequent services that run at least every 15 minutes or better. These are Core services. The network also includes Strategic bus services that provide direct express services between Leeds city centre and strategic locations at a frequency of 30 minutes or better" I just don't get why they would show Thorner on the map and not show that the 7 runs through there, and on to Wetherby? They've shown the 760 to Rodley, Calverley then onto Keighley. Presumably Wetherby isn't s strategic location, but Keighley is? No matter how long you hold out, it's still not the 760.
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Post by martinsfp on Jul 31, 2021 12:10:02 GMT 1
I just don't get why they would show Thorner on the map and not show that the 7 runs through there, and on to Wetherby? They've shown the 760 to Rodley, Calverley then onto Keighley. Presumably Wetherby isn't s strategic location, but Keighley is? No matter how long you hold out, it's still not the 760. And if you go back not *too* long ago, the 760 itself used to cross Leeds to do the Leeds-Wetherby route now covered by the 7!
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 15, 2021 12:47:41 GMT 1
Out shopping earlier today and walked in via Lower Briggate. Is that still slated to become two-way? There's what looks like a two-way cycle lane in place (but not marked up - hence the 4x4 parked up in it) on the easter side, making the remaining road space a bit narrow to my eyes for two lanes of buses.
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Post by leeds rider on Aug 15, 2021 19:17:02 GMT 1
Out shopping earlier today and walked in via Lower Briggate. Is that still slated to become two-way? There's what looks like a two-way cycle lane in place (but not marked up - hence the 4x4 parked up in it) on the easter side, making the remaining road space a bit narrow to my eyes for two lanes of buses. No, that was knocked on the head some time ago. It was discussed on here back in last November.
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 15, 2021 21:10:13 GMT 1
Out shopping earlier today and walked in via Lower Briggate. Is that still slated to become two-way? There's what looks like a two-way cycle lane in place (but not marked up - hence the 4x4 parked up in it) on the easter side, making the remaining road space a bit narrow to my eyes for two lanes of buses. No, that was knocked on the head some time ago. It was discussed on here back in last November. I wouldn't mind, but I replied to that comment!
Still think they should have stuck with Plan A, it would have made Call Lane safer and would have meant no diversions when Call Lane is closed. Looks like there's just that bit around Duncan Street/Call Lane/New Market Street and the right turn from Bishopgate Street to Boar Lane left to go from the original set of changes. New Briggate is being dug up.
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Post by joseph on Aug 16, 2021 20:12:27 GMT 1
Now it suddenly makes sense, and it took just one tweet to show the REAL motive behind this scheme. Some services have not been included on maps because they're forcing people to walk more! In this tweet it said 79% of people are just a 7 minute walk from the core network, the tweet showed an image of a line being drawn from central Woodlesford to the main routes on the 140/1 services. First of all it's more than 7 minutes for your average fatty, secondly even if it was just 7 minutes downhill, uphill it will be much longer! What those selfish idiots haven't taken into account is WINTER! Who the hell wants to be slipping all over the shop for 7 minutes plus! Watch this space, I bet we see the withdrawl of funding for non commercial routes what they claim are within a 7 minute walk of the network. It's not any authorities job to ram healthy this that and 't' other down the throats of everyone, if I want to walk, I will, not because some git in a posh suit down Civic Hall tells me to, maybe they should visit A&E on a weekend to see who is REALLY clogging things up.
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