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Post by nick on Jan 9, 2009 19:48:25 GMT 1
Service No:18/18A Pink Line Leeds Park Row-Colton Village-Garforth Ninelands Lane (18A)/ East Garforth(18)
18 Route- Via Present 18 Route all the way to Garforth 18A Route- Via Present 18A Route to Whitkirk Roundabout, then via Present 18 Route to Colton Sainsburys, then via Peak 18A Route to Garforth Ninelands Lane.
Monday to Saturday Daytime Frequency-Every 10 Minutes (Each service every 20) Sunday/Evenings Frequency-Every Half Hour (Hour each service)
Cherry Row Operated with Volvo B7TL ALX400. Future operation by Volvo B9TL Enviro 400 Bodied buses.
Notes: 56/57 replace the withdrawn Leeds-Tinshill/Ireland Wood route.
Effects to Other Services: 37,49.
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Post by jackh on Jan 9, 2009 20:01:45 GMT 1
So from your service change you're cutting back heavily on the number of buses that would run along Queenswood Drive, Kirkstall Lane and part of Cardigan Road?
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Post by Craig on Jan 9, 2009 20:10:30 GMT 1
And withdrawing buses completely to the bottom half of Cardigan Road!
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Post by nick on Jan 9, 2009 20:33:26 GMT 1
Service No:37 Beige Line
Halton Dail-Leeds Eastgate-Bramley Bus Depot
Route-37 Route from Halton Dail to York Street then via St Peters Street, Eastgate, Headrow, Westgate, Burley Road ,Cardigan Road, Kirkstall Lane then onto Present 49 Route to Bramley Bus Depot
Monday to Saturday Daytime Frequency- Every 10 Minutes Sunday/Evenings Frequency-Every Half Hour
Effects to Others Services 49
Service No:49 Purple Line Monkswood Gate-St.Jame’s Hospital-Leeds Infirmary Street
Route-Present 49 route to York Road, then via St.Peters Street, Eastgate, Headrow, Park Row, Boar Lane, New Station Street, Quebec Street to Infirmary Street. Reverse route out of Town.
Monday to Saturday Daytime Frequency-Every 10 Minutes Sunday/Evening Frequency-Every Half Hour
Swapped from Bramley operation to Cherry Row operation. Volvo B7TL Wright Eclipse Gemini operated with buses from both Bramley and Cherry Row. Then replaced by Volvo B9TL Wright Eclipse Gemini Bodied buses.
Effects to Other Services None
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 10, 2009 0:54:51 GMT 1
Service No:37 Beige LineHalton Dail-Leeds Eastgate-Bramley Bus Depot Route-37 Route from Halton Dail to York Street then via St Peters Street, Eastgate, Headrow, Westgate, Burley Road ,Cardigan Road, Kirkstall Lane then onto Present 49 Route to Bramley Bus Depot Monday to Saturday Daytime Frequency- Every 10 Minutes Sunday/Evenings Frequency-Every Half Hour Effects to Others Services49 Service No:49 Purple LineMonkswood Gate-St.Jame’s Hospital-Leeds Infirmary Street Route-Present 49 route to York Road, then via St.Peters Street, Eastgate, Headrow, Park Row, Boar Lane, New Station Street, Quebec Street to Infirmary Street. Reverse route out of Town. Monday to Saturday Daytime Frequency-Every 10 Minutes Sunday/Evening Frequency-Every Half Hour Swapped from Bramley operation to Cherry Row operation. Volvo B7TL Wright Eclipse Gemini operated with buses from both Bramley and Cherry Row. Then replaced by Volvo B9TL Wright Eclipse Gemini Bodied buses. Effects to Other ServicesNone please tell me the point of swapping these two over from leeds to bramley? the 37 will and more than likely will be used as a shuttle between halton moor & leeds and thats it!
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Post by nick on Jan 10, 2009 11:08:11 GMT 1
Service No:68/68A Leeds Infirmary Street-Gipton-Cross Gates(68A)/Seacroft Bus Station(68)-Scholes SERVICE WITHDRAWN
Service No:73 Leeds City Bus Station-Stannigley Road-Pudsey Chapletown/Station Street SERVICE WITHDRAWN
Service No: 40/*New Service*40A Indigo Line
Seacroft Bus Station-Cross Gates-Whitkirk(40)/Gipton(40A)-Leeds Station Interchange/ Infirmary Street-Bramley-Pudsey Station Street
40 Route: From Seacroft Bus Station via Present 40 Route to Leeds Station Interchange then via, Wellington Street, Wellington Road, then onto Present 73 Route. 40A Route: From Seacroft Bus Station via, York Road, Sherburn Road North, Stanks Drive, Swarcliffe Avenue then onto Present 56 Route to Cross Gates. From there, via present 68A Route to Leeds Station Interchange. From there, via Wellington Street, Wellington Road, and onto Present 73 Route until Stannigley RD/Swinnow Lane Junction. From there via Swinnow Lane, Swinnow Road, Lowtown, Church Lane, Carlisle Road, Pudsey Station Road to Pudsey Station Street.
Monday to Saturday Frequency- Every 10 Minutes (Every 20 Minutes Each Service) Sunday/Evening Frequency- Every 15 Minutes along Core Route (Stannigley Road to York Road). Every Half Hour Each Service.
This Service will remain a Bramley Operation. Volvo B7TL Wright Eclipse Gemini Bodied, Volvo B7TL ALX400 Bodied and Volvo Wright Floline will be allocated to the Route. The Route will then receive Volvo B9TL Enviro 400 Bodied buses, which will be branded for the route.
Effects to Other Services 44/44A, 73 (Withdrawn), 68/68A(Withdrawn), 56(New Route).
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Post by nick on Jan 10, 2009 17:15:20 GMT 1
Service No:56/57 Turquoise LineIreland Wood(57)/Tinshill(56)-Headingley-Leeds-Cross Gates (56)/Seacroft Bus Station-Barwick IN Elmet(56)/Scholes (57) 56 Route-Via Present 18 Route To Queens wood Drive then via present 56 route to Cross Gates, then 64 route to Barwick In Elmet 57 Route-Via Present 18A route from Ireland Wood to Victoria RD, then via Victoria RD, Headingley Lane, Woodhouse Lane then onto Present 56 route until York Road, then via York Road to Seacroft Bus Station. From Seacroft via Present 68 Route to Scholes Monday to Saturday Daytime Frequency-Every 10 Minutes (each service every 20 minutes) Sunday/Evenings Frequency-Every 15 Minutes along core route, York Road-Spen lane, then every half hour to Scholes/Ireland Wood(57) and Barwick In Elmet/Tinshill Silk Mill Drive(56) Cherry Row Operated, with Volvo B7RLE and Volvo B9TL buses with Wright Eclipse Urban/Gemini Bodies. Effects to Other Services:18/18A, 68/68A and 64 Service No:56/57 Turquoise LineIreland Wood(57)/Tinshill(56)-Headingley-Leeds-Cross Gates (56)/Seacroft Bus Station-Barwick IN Elmet(56)-Aberford(56)/Scholes (57) 56 Route-Via Present 18 Route To Queens wood Drive then via present 56 route to Cross Gates, then 64 route to Aberford 57 Route-Via Present 18A route from Ireland Wood to Victoria RD, then via Victoria RD, Headingley Lane, Woodhouse Lane then onto Present 56 route until York Road, then via York Road to Seacroft Bus Station. From Seacroft via Present 68 Route to Scholes Monday to Saturday Daytime Frequency-Every 10 Minutes (each service every 20 minutes) Sunday/Evenings Frequency-Every 15 Minutes along core route, York Road-Spen lane, then every half hour to Scholes/Ireland Wood(57) and Barwick In Elmet/Tinshill Silk Mill Drive(56) Cherry Row Operated, with Volvo B7RLE and Volvo B9TL buses with Wright Eclipse Urban/Gemini Bodies. Effects to Other Services:18/18A, 64, 68/68A and 97 New Change. The 56 will now be extended out to Aberford. Service No:64Leeds Infirmary Street-Cross Gates-Barwick in Elmet-Aberford SERVICE WITHDRAWN
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Post by nick on Jan 10, 2009 17:45:37 GMT 1
Service No:37 Beige Line
Halton Dail-Leeds Eastgate-Bramley Bus Depot
Route-37 Route from Halton Dail to York Street then via St Peters Street, Eastgate, Headrow, Westgate, Burley Road ,Cardigan Road, Kirkstall Lane then onto Present 49 Route to Bramley Bus Depot
Monday to Saturday Daytime Frequency- Every 10 Minutes Sunday/Evenings Frequency-Every Half Hour
Swap to Bramley Operation from Cherry Row, taking the allocated Wright Eclipse Urbans with it. Then more Wright Eclipse Gemini bodied Volvo B7RLE will be allocated to it.
Effects to Others Services 49
Service 49: Purple Line SERVICE WITHDRAWN
Service No: 50/50A Orange Line
Horsforth Town Street-Burley-Leeds Eastgate-St.Jame’s Hospital-Monkswood Gate(50A)/ Seacroft Bus Station(50)
50 Route: Present 50 Route 50A Route: Present 50A Route to Kentmere Drive then via Kentmere Drive to Monkswood Gate
Monday to Saturday Frequency-Every 7/8 Minutes (Each Service Every 15 Minutes) Sunday Daytime Frequency-Every 10 Minutes (0930 to 1800) along Core Route (Each Service Every 20 Minutes) Evenings Frequency-Every 15 Minutes along Core Route (Each Service every Half Hour)
Still Remains a Bramley Operation. Volvo B7TL Wright Eclipse Gemini Body and Volvo B7TL ALX400 still allocated to it until Volvo B9TL Wright Eclipse Gemini Bodied Buses take over.
Effects to Other Services: 37 (new route) and 49 withdrawn
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Post by jackh on Jan 10, 2009 22:58:42 GMT 1
Ok, I have to say Nick you will be making alot of people in parts of Leeds angry over the revision of the 56/57. So Moor Grange no longer gets a bus service nor does Cardigan Road between Victoria Road and Burley Road. And the residents of Hyde Park are left with a twenty minute bus service. What's even more stupid about it is that it is the most busiest part of the 56 route with all the students.
I think a new rule should be made to this conspiring of fictitious routes. Why you would make such changes in the first place and do the benefits of these changes outweigh the disadvantages of such changes.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Mar 19, 2009 14:30:33 GMT 1
377 HUDDERSFIELD - ROCHDALE-BURY(EVENINGS AND SUNDAYS)
Via 372 to Lindley West Street, then via Moor Hill Road, New Hey Road,Outlane, Pole Moor, then via the A640 to Denshaw. then New Hey and Milnrow to Rochdale. Evenins and Sunday's extended to Bury Via B6222 Bury and Rochdale Old Road.
Frequency Monday to Saturday 60 mins Evenings 120 mins Sunday Daytime 60 mins
Ran by First of Huddersfield and Manchester
Buses used B7RLE eclipse or B9TL Eclipse Gemini.
I'D UPGRADE THE 16, 49 amd 50 To Enviro400s/Tridents and the 42 to Enviro400s/N230UD
ANOTHER IDEA , fuse the 71 PRIMLEY PARK - LEEDS , WITH THE 74 LEEDS - MIDDLETON SECTION.
CREATING A PEACH LINE 71 MIDDLETON-HOLBECK-LEEDS-SCOTT HALL-PRIMLEY PARK-(WIGTON MOOR EVENINGS AND SUNDAYS) EVERY 10 MINUTES MON TO SAT EVERY 30 MINUTES EVES AND SUNS
BUSES USED B9TL ENVIRO 400S BRANDED
THE 35 Could Cover The Belle isle section,
an would run 35 ALWOODLEY-SCOTTHALL- LEEDS- HUNSLET- BELLE ISLE.
EVERY 30 MINS MON TO SAT EVERY 60 MINS EVES AND SUNS
45 on EVES AND SUNS COULD POSSIBLY EXTEND TO MORLEY VIA THE 46, ON AN HOURLY FREQUENCY
Buses used on the 35 and 45 are b7rle eclipse and Enviro 300's
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 22, 2009 21:58:23 GMT 1
Correct the frequency of the 35 to every 20 mins and extend it from Sharp House to Middleton and you'll make residents on your replacement route happy. Keep it as every 30 mins and your risking the wrath of several angry people already angry with the new 74 only going to Sharp House.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Mar 23, 2009 18:10:53 GMT 1
Correct the frequency of the 35 to every 20 mins and extend it from Sharp House to Middleton and you'll make residents on your replacement route happy. Keep it as every 30 mins and your risking the wrath of several angry people already angry with the new 74 only going to Sharp House. Ok, u make a good point there , 35 should be upgraded to every 15 minutes and Run to Middleton Arms. 45 should be upgraded as well to every 15, but run over the 46 route past city square, every 15 minutes to Morley, every 30 minutes to Gildersome with an hourly service extended to Drighlington. buses from shadwell depart as the example followed 00: Morley :15 gildersome :30 morley :45 Drighlington Evenings and sundays hourly to Morley Town Hall. This in turn will withdraw the 46. Extend the 71 to wigton moor allday. The 47 should be withdrawn. Harrogate Road Residents can still be served by the 36 and a new frequent 71 anyway which shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 25, 2009 16:47:03 GMT 1
Don't think the diverted 110 would go down too well as it would mean a longer journey from Robin Hood to Leeds and less buses to town for users on the Wood Lane end to Stourton (Wakefield Road) section such as me! For example, residents from the new estate on Wood Lane use the 110 if they want to go directly to Wakefield, or if the 443/4 is running late.The 110 together with the 443/4 provide a very good alternative to the 74/a and is only an extra 3 mins walk from residential streets near Wakefield Road. The service is popular for passengers wanting First Direct plus other companies in Stourton who come from Outwood, Lofthouse, Robin Hood etc.
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Post by nick on Apr 9, 2009 11:36:52 GMT 1
Just a quick idea thrown together. Moving from the 35/71 extension i have an idea. Withdraw the 74 route completely. Then as people have said replace this with the 71 between Leeds and Middleton. On the other side, have the 12 divert around the 74 route to Bell Isle.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 28, 2009 17:16:41 GMT 1
This is never Gonna Happen But If Stagecoach Ran services in Leeds, to compete with the likes of First and Arriva.
A few Route Suggestions
Frequency Every 10 Minutes Mon - Sat Every 15 Minutes evenings and Sundays.
Via the 51 route to Elland Road to Holbeck , then via the 74 route to Infirmary street, then Park Row, Headrow, Eastgate then via 49/50 route to Harehills, via 12 and 2 to Moortown Corner, turn at Roundabout Scott Hall Road/Harrogate Road.
Buses used Alexander Dennis Enviro 400's Branded for 53(every 10 Minutes)
From the Cenotaph via Town St,Old Road,Bradford Road,Stanningley Road, Broad Lane,Kirkstall Morrisons, Kirkstall Road,then via slip road to Westgate,The Headrow,Vicar Lane, then via the 12,13 to belle Isle Road, Sharp Lane, Robin Hood, Leadwell lane, to Rothwell.
service would run Every 10 Minutes Monday to Saturday, Every 30 Minutes Evenings and Every 20 Minutes Sundays.
Buses used Alexander Dennis Enviro 400's Branded for the 6(every 10 minutes).
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Post by nick on Apr 28, 2009 19:38:21 GMT 1
Personally I would much prefer Firsts 51/51A service to Moortown than the 53 your are suggesting. This is because, looking at the way the 53 goes, the journey time would be considerably longer than the 51/51A.
Also the 12/2/13/3 Market is a very much niche market, with very little space for a competitor to compete with 1st although, the journey time would only be a little longer on the 53 than the 12/2 or 2/12.
Personally I think your route is fine upto Leeds Infirmary Street. What I would do then is run it on the 92 route to Meanwood. Then the 51 upto Moor Allerton and 71 to Primley Park. I think this would be a better route for the 53 as the Journey time 71 vs 53 (my route proposed) would be pretty much the same if not shorter. With similar journey times, all stagecoach would have to do, is invest in a NEW brilliant fleet (Enviro 400 ) and attractive fares.
One Corridor which is left open with a little space but yet again not much, is the Cross City Routes. What I would do, for Stagecoach is to Operate a Horsforth to Garforth Route(20/20A), Tinshill/Ireland Wood to Scholes(70/70A), Pudsey to Cross Gates/Whinmoor(14). Again I would operate them with B9TL and Enviro 400.
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Post by Jack on Apr 28, 2009 19:42:03 GMT 1
Personally I would much prefer Firsts 51/51A service to Moortown than the 53 your are suggesting. This is because, looking at the way the 53 goes, the journey time would be considerably longer than the 51/51A. But the 51/51A goes to Moor Allerton Centre not Moortown Corner which he was suggesting. The route you're thinking of Nick would be more like the actual 53 service Black Prince operated until the First take-over.
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Post by nick on Apr 28, 2009 19:56:22 GMT 1
I must of read it wrong. The journey time though would be alot longer than catching the 2/3/3A or 35/45/47 or even the 36(does that drop off).
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Post by Jack on Apr 28, 2009 20:08:26 GMT 1
If Stagecoach were to start competing, there would only be a few corridors that would interest them. The 2/3/12/13 workings, York Road possibly and Headingley services where they would be able to do well.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 28, 2009 23:50:16 GMT 1
They could do a better job than Arriva though running a 10 min frequency from Rothwell to Leeds as follows. X43 Carlton via Rothwell to Leeds via Butcher Lane (for town centre customers) Wood Lane (not via the estate) and then via 443/4 route through Stourton to Church Street then non stop to Leeds except for Alighting customers. Service X44 from Butcher Lane via Park West then the 443 route to Wood Lane End then via 443/4 route through Stourton to Church Street then alighting only to Leeds. Each service would run every 20 mins. Yes arriva did run a service every 10 mins between Rothwell and Leeds but it wasn't a success because it ran late or some buses missed! The current mess with buses running both directions to Leeds around Rothwell is a unnecessary mess! All Arriva have to do is re direct all Leeds bound services via Butcher Lane (and Park West for the 443) then you don't have people running from one bus stop to another when they realise the one to Leeds isn't due from that stop for a while.
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Post by Jack on Apr 29, 2009 14:33:03 GMT 1
I don't think Rothwell is the first place you want to make an assault looking to make a profitable bus route!
Remember Arriva had the 443/444 running every 10 minutes between Rothwell and Leeds for a while and now every 15 minutes so I just don't think another frequent service would work.
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Post by Craig on Apr 29, 2009 20:02:24 GMT 1
Wasn't Rothwell to Leeds historically a 10-minute frequency between the various West Riding routes which used to run (the 130 and 152 spring to mind)? Therefore it's only Arriva who have cut the frequency back (no big surprise there). Yorkshire Rider also used to have the half-hourly 7 service, so I can't help but think that if Rothwell was served by First it would already be on the Overground map with its own frequent service.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on May 2, 2009 18:39:40 GMT 1
The reality is that competition is badly needed to lure car drivers in Rothwell and surrounding areas onto buses. Arriva are well known for running an unreliable service on the 443/4 by bus and car users living on the route. If Stagecoach ran the route well, gradually they would gain a increasing and successful customer base. After years of shoddy service though, they could have their work cut out, but medium term it would be worth it. To give an idea of how unreliable the service is, at least once a day a bus will run badly late or even miss due to the length of the route. All Arriva have to do is shorten the route to stop lateness and missing buses occuring. The service needs to terminate at Wakefield with the Barnsley/Hall Green section running seperate if it's to run better.
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Post by Danny on Jun 3, 2009 21:06:11 GMT 1
M62 Halifax - Brighouse -M62 - White rose- leeds Operator: Halifax Joint Committee Bus used : Dennis Dart G503 VYE (53)
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Post by Jack on Jun 4, 2009 19:09:16 GMT 1
Are these just existing routes or routes that no longer exist and you just have a different vehicle type allocated to it...
A Drat doing the M62 service, that would go down a treat!
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