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Post by SF07 on Jul 24, 2013 19:43:16 GMT 1
Has the 288 finished permanently now? The 1141 288 departure from Birstall was a no show at Dewsbury. And the 284 was about 20 mins late. Officially, the 288 is still running and should be the case until the end of August.
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Post by eby543 on Jul 25, 2013 20:36:29 GMT 1
nothing seems to run on time yest 288 no show 284 also late
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Post by A1YBG on Jul 25, 2013 21:18:41 GMT 1
I see the 288 everyday and I have yet to see it come ontime. I work on drive thru at mcds at birstall and I see the buses go by at the roundabout. 280 comes ontime and sgi is somewhere behind and abiut 10 mins late. Even the first journey of the day is late!! I finish at 1.30 at times and is due at 1.36 turns up around 1.50.
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Post by A1YBG on Jul 28, 2013 15:50:01 GMT 1
Pic posted by dean steel sgi on twitter of one of the new primos for the 284.
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Post by dan394 on Aug 5, 2013 13:49:09 GMT 1
Plaxton Primo on 284 today
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Post by A1YBG on Aug 5, 2013 16:38:46 GMT 1
Thats on 284 while the streetlite will be on the 288 from tomorrow and will be on there til they withdraw the route at the end of august. This is until theirs arrive within the next few months. They got these cos they had technical difficulties in their other vehicles. (So they say)
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Aug 5, 2013 19:54:34 GMT 1
Thats on 284 while the streetlite will be on the 288 from tomorrow and will be on there til they withdraw the route at the end of august. This is until theirs arrive within the next few months. They got these cos they had technical difficulties in their other vehicles. (So they say) Sent from my GT-N7100 using proboards Does this mean they might be reinstating the 288, as notices in Dewsbury say its "suspended until further notice" Also, the Primo appears to have no legal lettering either.
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Post by angrycommuter on Aug 6, 2013 11:20:15 GMT 1
It was the original red wright bus on the 288 this morning.
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Post by A1YBG on Aug 6, 2013 20:04:32 GMT 1
Was suspended til they got suitable vehicle for it. Now back running as normal til the end of august.
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Post by Penfold on Aug 6, 2013 20:08:03 GMT 1
Seems rather a funny way they are running these services !
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Post by ratty on Aug 7, 2013 11:07:58 GMT 1
What seems even funnier, is that they are operating like they are, and nobody appears to be doing any type of enforcement. At the same time they are applying/ have applied for a full O Licence. Just seems so so strange.
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Post by Matty on Aug 8, 2013 0:49:06 GMT 1
I think VOSA are helping them out a bit by not doing anything because of them been a new operator and having no experience in the industry. I'm sure things will get better in the near future
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Post by timelesstable on Aug 8, 2013 6:15:43 GMT 1
I think VOSA are helping them out a bit by not doing anything because of them been a new operator and having no experience in the industry. I'm sure things will get better in the near future Not only should VOSA apply the rule consistently to all operators but must be see to show no favours to any particular operator. Inexperience is not a valid reason to waive the rules
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Aug 8, 2013 8:18:28 GMT 1
I think VOSA are helping them out a bit by not doing anything because of them been a new operator and having no experience in the industry. I'm sure things will get better in the near future Not only should VOSA apply the rule consistently to all operators but must be see to show no favours to any particular operator. Inexperience is not a valid reason to waive the rules And the Traffic Commissioners, who are the people who make decisions of license applications and the like, aren't known for their leniency or for accepting excuses like inexperience, they also don't tend to look kindly on operators trying to circumvent the rules (I'm still not sure they are supposed to be allowed to operate as they currently are), failing to provide what is registered (regardless of whether you inform the public or not) or sailing quite so close to the wind in how they operate. It will be interesting to see whether they have any success in getting a full O-license given what they have been doing before they got one, if they had waited until the got one before they started they would have sailed through the process quite quickly (basically you have to prove your competent - holding a operator CPC & not having been in serious trouble with the TC/Police before is good enough - and have enough money and you are in), it is once you have a track record that it gets more difficult to keep it. SGI have now got a record and it looks distinctly spotty to this outsider. VOSA, themselves, may not be that aware of all the issues. Since the job was transferred from the TC Office to them VOSA no longer actually employs anyone to check on the reliable running of bus services. They have an inspector for each county whose job is to go to the bus company and talk over with them what their systems are to ensure reliable operation and to make recommendations if necessary, and since they are locally based unless they are very conscientious they go and talk to the depot managers and ask them about things that are managed from head office and can't answer rather than approach those at Head Office who deal with it (and seeming to be inordinately obsessed with BSOG claims, which is dealt with & audited by a department of the DfT, rather than on the things they should be managing). The TCs are now essentially reliant on outside organisations (like local authorities) for any reliability monitoring to know whether operators are running their services as registered, which is quite frankly a farce and a license for those who aren't that bothered to get away with anything they like. And if the recent reports are accurate (though I have only seen one report on it so far and not further confirmation that it is correct) the TCs are no longer geographically based but all cover the entire country as required - which, if true, is another dopey decision from some one in power who doesn't seem to understand how things work on the ground.
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Post by SF07 on Aug 14, 2013 19:20:35 GMT 1
For those who haven't seen the October 2013 service changes thread:
PB1116692/2 - STEEL GROUP INVESTMENTS LIMITED T/A SGI, BRETTON STREET ENTERPRISE CENTRE, BRETFIELD COURT, DEWSBURY, WF12 9DB Cancellation Accepted: Operating between EDGE AVENUE, THORNHILL EDGE and EDGE AVENUE, THORNHILL EDGE given service number 284 effective from 03-Oct-2013.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 14, 2013 20:22:36 GMT 1
They are probably cancelling it because the boss is going on holiday for a fortnight, but don't worry they will restart it soon with a new fleet of Enviro 400s!
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Post by timelesstable on Aug 14, 2013 20:46:17 GMT 1
They are probably cancelling it because the boss is going on holiday for a fortnight, but don't worry they will restart it soon with a new fleet of Enviro 400s! The Primo would make a tidy little camper van, not sure it would be capable of towing a Micra though!
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Post by driver6540 on Aug 14, 2013 21:13:18 GMT 1
This so called "Bus company", is just a rich man's expensive toy train set. It's probably just a hobby to him, as it cannot provide any real dividend to his "Investment". Worst still it provides no benefit to any potential passengers either, with the number of no-shows or cancellations associated with SGI.I saw that Primo T'other day about seven times chuffing up and down Thornhill and not once was it carrying a single passenger. What bothers me most about companies like SGI is, If turning a profit or running a reliable service to the benefit of the communities they serve does not matter to them, Then what about vehicle maintenance and the safety of passengers (Should they ever get any)??. Dunno how they get away with it. IMO the law should be changed so they cant.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 14, 2013 21:38:04 GMT 1
With the many changes in fleet and active Twitter account announcing all manner of initiatives, it's like a real life version of those fantasy bus companies that some people like to play on the Internet
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Aug 15, 2013 8:57:18 GMT 1
This so called "Bus company", is just a rich man's expensive toy train set. It's probably just a hobby to him, as it cannot provide any real dividend to his "Investment". Worst still it provides no benefit to any potential passengers either, with the number of no-shows or cancellations associated with SGI.I saw that Primo T'other day about seven times chuffing up and down Thornhill and not once was it carrying a single passenger. What bothers me most about companies like SGI is, If turning a profit or running a reliable service to the benefit of the communities they serve does not matter to them, Then what about vehicle maintenance and the safety of passengers (Should they ever get any)??. Dunno how they get away with it. IMO the law should be changed so they cant. No change in law is required as operators already have to meet those standards. VOSA & the TCs aren't that fussed by whether you make a profit but you have to keep your vehicles roadworthy at all times and set out, and stick to, a maintenance schedule and if you start failing MOTs or have other maintenance related issues you very quickly find a VOSA inspector around your depot looking at everything and if you haven't dotted every i and cross every t you will very quickly find yourself in trouble. Whilst monitoring of reliable operation is much poorer than it was and seeming to get worse (see my previous post/rant about changes at VOSA above) if you do get reported/spotted failing to operate as registered the fines, for a small operator, can be substantial enough to cause real issues.
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Post by A1YBG on Aug 15, 2013 13:11:47 GMT 1
This firm isnt really withdrawing the service as such. Just wrapping up the current licence they have and they start their new firm under sgict then they will register routes under their new name. Lets see what they come up with then. The 288 is deffo being withdrawn tho.
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Post by angrycommuter on Sept 2, 2013 13:31:57 GMT 1
According to the SGI website (dated 17th July 2013):
The market test business SGI Buses can only be described as a ‘mixed bag’. Whilst personally learning a lot, Steel Group have made the decision to progress with transferring the operations over to SGI Community Transport LTD (CIC). Steel Group Investments Limited will no longer have any involvement within the new social enterprise. However, I [Dale Steel] will be heading and pushing the business forward as the new director.
I guess it is a waiting game to see if there are any new services in the pipeline, although they are running out of days to register a "new" 284 in the name of SGI CT Ltd following withdrawl of the SGI Buses service.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Sept 2, 2013 16:19:19 GMT 1
I guess it is a waiting game to see if there are any new services in the pipeline, although they are running out of days to register a "new" 284 in the name of SGI CT Ltd following withdrawl of the SGI Buses service. I'm not aware that SGI CT have a license to register the services against. The only one showing on the VOSA website is the restricted one for SGI that they have been using since they started. A CIC or Community Transport operator still requires an O-license if they wish to run proper buses on commercial bus services using normal bus drivers.
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Post by A1YBG on Sept 2, 2013 16:31:13 GMT 1
They said they were launching 3 new services and invested in over £800.000 on upgrading the fleet.
Just announced today is a new service linking dewsbury-dewsbury hospital-heckmondwike-Cleckheaton. The 284 is increasing frequency this week too. Sent from my GT-N7100 using proboards
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Post by clifton on Sept 2, 2013 20:57:56 GMT 1
They must have money to burn.
Don't see how duplicating key Arriva services is going to get them anywhere. What's the point? They aren't offering the travelling public anything new.
This whole thing seems to be a waste of time and money.
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