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Post by nic on Oct 23, 2022 17:36:00 GMT 1
76 up to Moor Grange. Where did it come from?
I know it went via Kirkstall and went to Moor Grange on Spen Lane avoiding Queesnwood drive.
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Post by peteleeds on Oct 23, 2022 18:04:32 GMT 1
76 up to Moor Grange. Where did it come from? I know it went via Kirkstall and went to Moor Grange on Spen Lane avoiding Queesnwood drive. Middleton or belle isle. There was the 74/75/76/77 series Think 74 went via Beeston, 76 went via belle isle and jack lane . 77 was middleton arms to leeds city centre circular via dewsbury road. Cant recall which route 75 did
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Post by johndc1984 on Oct 23, 2022 18:17:47 GMT 1
A fairly short lived route was the X22 from Bradford to Keighley via Toller Lane which was jointly operated by First Bradford and at the time Keighley & District, both routes were generally run with Wright Renowns. I believe it started circa year 2000 but can’t be sure exactly.
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Post by WYBS on Oct 23, 2022 18:44:37 GMT 1
A fairly short lived route was the X22 from Bradford to Keighley via Toller Lane which was jointly operated by First Bradford and at the time Keighley & District, both routes were generally run with Wright Renowns. I believe it started circa year 2000 but can’t be sure exactly. I suppose the other X22 (Keighley - Halifax) operated by South Pennine was fairly short lived as well, what with the 502 being reinstated to run everyday.
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Post by dlspotter on Oct 23, 2022 18:58:59 GMT 1
Quite obvious one the Manchester CityZAP running from November 2017 to July 2018 Not so short but the X32 Wakefield to J32 ran from April/May 2018 to March 2020
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Post by deerfold on Oct 23, 2022 19:26:08 GMT 1
A couple spring to mind.
First ran one summer (1993?) a Sunday only 1 trip 565 from Halifax to Denshaw via Elland. There was no return trip.
Then there was the 90, which I don't think ever ran at all. It was from a short lived company based in Honley and was supposed to run Sowerby - Sowerby Bridge - Halifax - Elland - Huddersfield - Honley taking around 2 hours for 1 trip. I did see a timetable for it in Sowerby Bridge.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 19:36:09 GMT 1
First Manchester's 180 for a couple of years had a summer extension from Greenfield to Huddersfield via Holmfirth,with the replacement service 429 doing the same for a few extra years (think it was 180 in 1995/6,then 429 in 97/98/99)
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Post by leeds rider on Oct 24, 2022 5:33:17 GMT 1
76 up to Moor Grange. Where did it come from? I know it went via Kirkstall and went to Moor Grange on Spen Lane avoiding Queesnwood drive. Middleton or belle isle. There was the 74/75/76/77 series Think 74 went via Beeston, 76 went via belle isle and jack lane . 77 was middleton arms to leeds city centre circular via dewsbury road. Cant recall which route 75 did Think nic may have been thinking of a different 76, before the whole 74/5/6/7 group came into being (before that there was just a 74 Moor Grange to Middleton; 75 was Eden Drive to Hunslet, I think, but my memory that far back is somewhat hazy!). No idea about the other 76, but I used to use the 74-6 group, and its predecessors and successors, every day. Route-wise, they were quite straightforward, running to Tinshill and Ireland Wood in the north (the current 19 and 19A routings), and Middleton in the south via east and west routes (think you're probably right about via Dewsbury Road and via Beeston). All 4 possible combinations existed, hence the 4 route numbers, but a quirk of the timetabling was that the 74 and 77 only ran northbound and the 75 and 76 southbound.
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Post by leeds rider on Oct 24, 2022 11:46:05 GMT 1
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the 63 originally go from Halton Dial to Horsforth, then it was cut down so that it terminated at Headingley Eden Drive? It was the early 90s when the 63 did Horsforth - Halton Dial. It replaced the 75 and 77. 63 did Halton Dial - Leedsthen followed the 75/77 route to Horsforth. These were ran from Torre Road using MCW Metrobuses and when delivered allocated 3001-3006 L301-6PWR Volvo B6s. This was then reduced to Headingley Eden Drive - Halton Drive in either late 90's or early 2000's with Horsforth loop (via Low Lane, OldBall and Long Row) being replaced by todays 50 A with the 50 going up Broadgate Lane. I think the 50 is one of a few routes that have not had many changes in its lifetime. When I was born in 1980 the 50 was there and now in 2009 still there. Only difference is in 1980 it ran Horsforth (Halfway up Braodgate Lane) to Gipton. But kept the same number for at least 29 years and very little change to the route!!!!! I know this is a very old post, but the thread's recently been bumped so why not? The 63 most certainly did not replace the 75/77 between Leeds and Horsforth - there's a much longer history than that! And I have no recollection of 75 or 77 reaching Horsforth - in the mid 80s, just before deregulation, the 75 was running Hunslet to Eden Drive - and I'm pretty sure that the 77 no longer existed. On deregulation, 75 was replaced by 55 Cottingley to Eden Drive - this took a somewhat convoluted route put together to cover several bits and pieces that were being abandoned commercially, involving a tour round Hyde Park Corner instead of the more direct route via Brudenell Road. Later this was renumbered 59 when YR registered a different 55 elsewhere in Leeds. The 55/59 I think lasted for a few years, but must have eventually become unviable even on a subsidised basis, because it was replaced by a 29 which ran from Eden Drive to Leeds via a less circuitous route (but different from the later 63) and then on to Oakwood Dib Lane. Another revision saw the 29 replaced by a 69 which used Rider Cubs minibuses in (if memory serves) a blue livery; not sure where this went at the other end - might have been Hunslet?? Finally, a further rationalisation of routes in Woodhouse / Hyde Park and elsewhere saw the creation of the 63 from Horsforth to Halton Dial, with a new route on the section between between Eden Drive and Leeds, even managing to serve a previously un-bussed road! The Horsforth to Eden Drive section was added to replace part of the Optional Bus 794 mentioned elsewhere in this thread after YR took them over, hence the route via Morris Lane and Spen Lane, but as mentioned this was later withdrawn and the route cut back to Eden Drive. Even the 63 itself saw a few variations over the time it operated, as routes in the area were gradually thinned out, with the 63C in particular taking in the loop round Woodhouse Ridge before the inevitable final withdrawal.
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Post by Burnside on Oct 24, 2022 16:20:51 GMT 1
A fairly short lived route was the X22 from Bradford to Keighley via Toller Lane which was jointly operated by First Bradford and at the time Keighley & District, both routes were generally run with Wright Renowns. I believe it started circa year 2000 but can’t be sure exactly. I think it started around 2000, First withdrew after a few months, Keighley replaced the X67 journey with an X22 and kept going but with a vastly reduced service before reverting to just one journey a day numbered X67. Think start to finish was no more than about 18 months.
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Post by Tom on Oct 25, 2022 14:05:24 GMT 1
62A running to Lupton Avenue in Harehills in Centrebus days didn't last long if I recall. Used it once to get to my Grandmas to avoid having to walk up from Compton Junction, was the only person on it in both directions
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Post by 69340 on Oct 25, 2022 18:13:29 GMT 1
Centrebus 62C and 63 Ran from vicar Lane past bus station like the 62 now but missing out Saxton gardens Up Cross Green Lane to where the routes spilt 62c turned right to cross green yorkshire produce 63 turned left and followed the road to the roundabout on york Road and then went straight down york Road Back to vicar Lane
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Post by martinsfp on Oct 26, 2022 1:12:22 GMT 1
794 run by Optional Bus (London County Livery) Ran from HoltPark-Leeds via a detour of Cookridge, Tinshill, Spen Lane and Kirkstall. Passengers didnt have a clue where this went. Took too long to get to Leeds from Holt Park or Cookridge. Passengers took one look at the bus and even drivers pulled up to tell them where they went but insisted on getting the 96. In Leeds ran to Eastgate and picked up from there (other side of the road) If it ran vis St Johns or city square may have done well. I went on this a few times as it was useful to me from Kirkstall to HoltPark as was the ONLY passenger on it in a space of a few hours. Buses ran on it was ECW Bristol REs then ended its final week with MetroRiders. Shame noone knew where it went and shame they used very old buses! First competed with this from Leeds to Queenswood Drive (SpenLane) think was service 94C or 63C? ? I remember a version of this run by (I think) Leeds Suburban Buses in 2000/2001, but just from Leeds Eastgate to Kirkstall Morrisons via the 56 route to Victoria Road, then Cardigan Road, Ashville Road, Cardigan Lane, Burley Road, Kirkstall Hill, and Kirkstall Lane. As I lived round the back of Cardigan Road Co-op (on the old 63 Horsforth - Leeds - Halton Dial route) it was quite handy from the university to home. One time it broke down turning from Cardigan Road into Ashville Road. I was the only passenger and the driver seriously asked me to get out and push!
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Post by Username on Oct 26, 2022 11:25:11 GMT 1
I think 624 is a short lasting route it ran between Bradford to Eldwick and it was a complete fail as it skipped the Priesthorpe area and ran straight along Park Road which caused a lot of controversy with Eldwick residents.
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Post by martinsfp on Oct 26, 2022 16:57:50 GMT 1
794 run by Optional Bus (London County Livery) Ran from HoltPark-Leeds via a detour of Cookridge, Tinshill, Spen Lane and Kirkstall. Passengers didnt have a clue where this went. Took too long to get to Leeds from Holt Park or Cookridge. Passengers took one look at the bus and even drivers pulled up to tell them where they went but insisted on getting the 96. In Leeds ran to Eastgate and picked up from there (other side of the road) If it ran vis St Johns or city square may have done well. I went on this a few times as it was useful to me from Kirkstall to HoltPark as was the ONLY passenger on it in a space of a few hours. Buses ran on it was ECW Bristol REs then ended its final week with MetroRiders. Shame noone knew where it went and shame they used very old buses! First competed with this from Leeds to Queenswood Drive (SpenLane) think was service 94C or 63C? ? I remember a version of this run by (I think) Leeds Suburban Buses in 2000/2001, but just from Leeds Eastgate to Kirkstall Morrisons via the 56 route to Victoria Road, then Cardigan Road, Ashville Road, Cardigan Lane, Burley Road, Kirkstall Hill, and Kirkstall Lane. As I lived round the back of Cardigan Road Co-op (on the old 63 Horsforth - Leeds - Halton Dial route) it was quite handy from the university to home. One time it broke down turning from Cardigan Road into Ashville Road. I was the only passenger and the driver seriously asked me to get out and push! Actually, now I think about it, this one was numbered 752.
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Post by leeds rider on Oct 26, 2022 18:09:52 GMT 1
I remember a version of this run by (I think) Leeds Suburban Buses in 2000/2001, but just from Leeds Eastgate to Kirkstall Morrisons via the 56 route to Victoria Road, then Cardigan Road, Ashville Road, Cardigan Lane, Burley Road, Kirkstall Hill, and Kirkstall Lane. As I lived round the back of Cardigan Road Co-op (on the old 63 Horsforth - Leeds - Halton Dial route) it was quite handy from the university to home. One time it broke down turning from Cardigan Road into Ashville Road. I was the only passenger and the driver seriously asked me to get out and push! Actually, now I think about it, this one was numbered 752. Correct - Leeds Suburban being an identity of Black Prince, of course. If memory serves, Geldards had a shot at the 752 for a while after Black Prince ceased trading.
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Post by joseph on Oct 26, 2022 20:05:25 GMT 1
At one point, the above Leeds Suburban 752 even continued up to East End Park, it replaced the Black Prince East End Park section of their 751 for about 6 months.
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Post by jonny182 on Oct 26, 2022 20:39:35 GMT 1
the 94 extension to Scholes/Crossgates, from drighlington that was 2005/2006 . That was short lived after First stopped the 5 running that way at daytimes, sure that was at an hourly frequency, a lot worse than the 5 which was every 30 minutes. Then replaced by the 68/68a , lasted a lot longer, but found itself withdrawn and now the return of the 5 (new form 5A) has taken its place. Also remember the 4A, short lived evening and sunday variant of 4C, was replaced by all eve and sun journeys turning into 4, before the FTR conversion period in 2006, I remember the 94 being a terrible cut to the former 5 route to Cross Gates. The 94 was very unreliable and most drivers got lost or didn't know the route and it was the extension of when the 94 used to run to Driglington so it was rarely on time at peak times. It used to be nice to ride on the dual front/middle exit door Volvo Olympians though they used to run on it. For a short time in 2009/2010, the evening and Sunday 5 service was curtailed and the Leeds-Cross Gates section was served by service 90 being extended from Green Gates. In 2010/2011, the Leeds - Seacroft part was served by the 11 and then Seacroft to Cross Gates part by the 63 to St James' Hospital like someone else mentioned. The 63 daytime then was curtailed to Seacroft to Cross Gates only which was terribly unpunctual as it interworked at Seacroft Bus Stn with the Ring Road 8 service to Pudsey.
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Post by joseph on Oct 27, 2022 6:17:00 GMT 1
If I remember rightly, wasn't there a short period of about 6 months or so where services on the 62 operated by Centrebus had about 8 or 9 different variations in the Cross Green/East End Park area? The timetable was crazy to say the least with a couple of journeys serving the full length of Easy Road one way only in the morning peak, some PM peak journeys missing out Cross Green Lane towards Leeds serving the new road that had been built, some doing a daytime circuit of Cross Green Lane and Richmond Hill I think, some defo missing out Saxton Gardens whilst others served it and so on.
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Post by Username on Oct 27, 2022 10:04:48 GMT 1
If I remember rightly, wasn't there a short period of about 6 months or so where services on the 62 operated by Centrebus had about 8 or 9 different variations in the Cross Green/East End Park area? The timetable was crazy to say the least with a couple of journeys serving the full length of Easy Road one way only in the morning peak, some PM peak journeys missing out Cross Green Lane towards Leeds serving the new road that had been built, some doing a daytime circuit of Cross Green Lane and Richmond Hill I think, some defo missing out Saxton Gardens whilst others served it and so on. I swear at one point there was a 62 to Shipley with Centrebus Leeds. I can't tell if that was route 60 on Centrebus or route 62.
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Post by WYBS on Oct 27, 2022 10:31:36 GMT 1
If I remember rightly, wasn't there a short period of about 6 months or so where services on the 62 operated by Centrebus had about 8 or 9 different variations in the Cross Green/East End Park area? The timetable was crazy to say the least with a couple of journeys serving the full length of Easy Road one way only in the morning peak, some PM peak journeys missing out Cross Green Lane towards Leeds serving the new road that had been built, some doing a daytime circuit of Cross Green Lane and Richmond Hill I think, some defo missing out Saxton Gardens whilst others served it and so on. I swear at one point there was a 62 to Shipley with Centrebus Leeds. I can't tell if that was route 60 on Centrebus or route 62. There was. I believe it did the 760 route between Shipley and Greengates, then the old 90 route between Greengates and Leeds going up Woodhall Road out of Calverley. I could be wrong though.
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Post by deerfold on Oct 27, 2022 11:08:09 GMT 1
If I remember rightly, wasn't there a short period of about 6 months or so where services on the 62 operated by Centrebus had about 8 or 9 different variations in the Cross Green/East End Park area? The timetable was crazy to say the least with a couple of journeys serving the full length of Easy Road one way only in the morning peak, some PM peak journeys missing out Cross Green Lane towards Leeds serving the new road that had been built, some doing a daytime circuit of Cross Green Lane and Richmond Hill I think, some defo missing out Saxton Gardens whilst others served it and so on. I swear at one point there was a 62 to Shipley with Centrebus Leeds. I can't tell if that was route 60 on Centrebus or route 62. It was Yorkshire Tiger by then. It was a commercial extension to a tendered route - I think it took one extra vehicle with about 10 minutes at Shipley instead of about 50 minutes resting without the extension. Having checked, it was the 60/60A from 26 April 2015, longer ago than I thought. Not sure when it eded, but it ran all the way to Cross Green. It had been renumbered from the 62. Changes on Metro website now: - 60 (Yorkshire Tiger) - New Mon-Sat daytime service running hourly between Shipley and Cross Green, replacing service 62. Service will run via Stanningley By-pass and Stanningley Road instead of Swinnow and Leysholme, which is served by service 60A.
- 60A (Yorkshire Tiger) - New Mon-Sat daytime service running hourly between Pudsey and Cross Green, replacing service 62 and 62A. Service runs via Swinnow and Kent Road
- 61 (Yorkshire Tiger) - Times changed with peak-time journeys via Cross Green Industrial Estate re-numbered 61A
- 62/62A (Yorkshire Tiger) - Withdrawn and replaced by services 59, 60 and 60A
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Post by Username on Oct 27, 2022 12:01:34 GMT 1
I swear at one point there was a 62 to Shipley with Centrebus Leeds. I can't tell if that was route 60 on Centrebus or route 62. There was. I believe it did the 760 route between Shipley and Greengates, then the old 90 route between Greengates and Leeds going up Woodhall Road out of Calverley. I could be wrong though. It appears that the route I were on about was the 60 with Centrebus that ran a few years back. It was slower than the 760 and the route ran from Leeds to Shipley via Stanningley Bypass and Pudsey.
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Post by SCH117X on Oct 29, 2022 10:12:08 GMT 1
There have been a number around Harrogate with Transdev attempting various services to the hospital main entrance without any success and Connexions trying to run more buses to Knaresborough (6 instead of 4), for which their simply was not the demand from non Transdev pass holders, with their weirdly extended 1C version, the X1C, which continued to the A59/bypass roundabout and then along the bypass to the X1A terminus at St James Park. It lasted less than five months - 7 Nov 2016 to 1 May 2017.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Nov 3, 2022 20:03:51 GMT 1
Remembering somepoint in 2008 when the 40. Got its old re-instation back to Pudsey - Leeds - Seacroft. To replace the 73 which was created in 2000 ( overground times ) to replace the original 40 on Pudsey to Leeds Section.
Oh boy that didn’t last long. Reliability issues became apparent on the route. I once sat on it to travel to Stanningley, driver got to Bramley town end. No replacement driver. Everyone including me changed for the 72 that was minutes behind.
Overall what happened - maybe about nearly a year later the 72. Got a Frequency increase to every 10 from 15 mins as a result and I think the 14 was born by stapling all the parts together. And the 4F helping out on the Fartown Section to now get the 14.
40 went back to Leeds to Seacroft to keep reliability.
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